Curse

ALF71BE · Apr 09, 2008, 02:59 AM // 02:59

So I just bought NF and Factions (yay for me) and I find using heros very useful. However, I'm a complete noob at monking, and I do realize that the AI make it even more difficult for effective builds to work.

So could anyone give me a hand with this? I just saw the build Stormlord Alex post on other thread (Hybrid/prot something) and it seems fine, with a couple modifications could be used since I don't own GW:EoTN, but how good that works with a monk? I want basically an hybrid.

Also, any idead on weapon sets? Was thinking of 40/40 HSR, +5^50, +30, wand/focus, but what you say?

And yes, I know that I should use heros for damage, but I have only four ATM, and tbh I have unlocked 7 dervish skills at most, making Melonni useless and Koss... Well is a warrior, and I haven't capped TC/QN.

Thanks for any help you can provide, sorry for the typos, and sorry if at any moment I sound rude, I think it's a problem many point out on me.

mistokibbles · Apr 09, 2008, 03:30 AM // 03:30

www.pvxwiki.com is a great place to start for hero builds. I've used http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Mo/any_WoH_Hybrid on Tahlkora and it works very well. You might want to manage Rebirth or even switch it out for another skill. If you're going to use a monk hero for healing instead of prot, i recommend using Necromancers as your healers. http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:N/...t_Souls_Healer <-- is a great build to use on a necro healer. Healer's Boon is also very effective if you're going to go healing on a hero.

Antithesis · Apr 09, 2008, 04:50 AM // 04:50

PvX Builds is generally rubbish for Hero Monk builds. That WoH hybrid is better suited to a player. Here's a Hero-friendly build.

Word of Healing [e]
Dwayna's Kiss
Signet of Rejuvenation
Cure Hex / Remove Hex
Dismiss Condition
Guardian / Shield of Absorption
Aegis
Glyph of Lesser Energy

N/Rt healer is also very good but has no Hex removal.

Bront · Apr 09, 2008, 05:19 AM // 05:19

I've found Hero Monks run Healer's Boon and Divine Spirit well, along with a smattering of Healing/Prot spells. Spells like Orison of Healing under both Boon & Spirit become cheep and spammable (1/2 sec casting time, 50% more healing, 1 sec recharge, 1 energy cost), which is what heroes are good at doing.

I haven't done it, but a good enchantment staff might do wonders for this build too.

Dr Strangelove · Apr 09, 2008, 05:31 AM // 05:31

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

PvX Builds is generally rubbish for Hero Monk builds. That WoH hybrid is better suited to a player. Here's a Hero-friendly build.

Agreed on that. If a human can play a bar by headbutting their keyboard, it's a good hero bar.

I've been liking defender's zeal/castigation signet builds on my hero monks lately. It's spammerific.

Racthoh · Apr 09, 2008, 06:02 AM // 06:02

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

Word of Healing [e]
Dwayna's Kiss
Signet of Rejuvenation
Cure Hex / Remove Hex
Dismiss Condition
Guardian / Shield of Absorption
Aegis
Glyph of Lesser Energy

I dislike Dismiss Condition on hero bars. Any extended combat means I have a skill that I need to disable ASAP or my monk is going to have 0 energy to cast anything useful. Given that those longer fights tend to be the ones where the group might die (so fights I should prepare for) I'd rather put something there that I won't be disabling.

Antithesis · Apr 09, 2008, 06:06 AM // 06:06

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

I dislike Dismiss Condition on hero bars.

100% agree with you. Unfortunately most people think single Heroes operate in a vacuum and want a 'jack-of-all-trades'. This one's a nice generic bar to suit most areas of the game with Heal / Condition / Hex / Prot on the one bar. I personally offload condition removal to someone else.

MasterSasori · Apr 09, 2008, 06:25 PM // 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antithesis

PvX Builds is generally rubbish for Hero Monk builds. That WoH hybrid is better suited to a player. Here's a Hero-friendly build.

Word of Healing [e]
Dwayna's Kiss
Signet of Rejuvenation
Cure Hex / Remove Hex
Dismiss Condition
Guardian / Shield of Absorption
Aegis
Glyph of Lesser Energy

N/Rt healer is also very good but has no Hex removal.

Good build, but I don't like GoLE on heros. I don't find them using it very effectively. Yes splitting sucks but I rather lower the other stats a little and go Me for [skill]power drain[/skill]

Racthoh · Apr 09, 2008, 07:32 PM // 19:32

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

Good build, but I don't like GoLE on heros. I don't find them using it very effectively. Yes splitting sucks but I rather lower the other stats a little and go Me for [skill]power drain[/skill]

Power Drain won't do anything until 25 seconds have passed, since they'll use it right away on the first enemy spell they see. By then, most fights should already be over.

Hundbert · Apr 09, 2008, 07:54 PM // 19:54

Very true good point by Racthoh.

You don't even really have to give your heroes 8 skills if they don't understand how to use them. Atleast disable some of their skills and use a macro or shortcut (Set up in options) to force them to use that particular skill.

Heroes don't understand how to use skills like shield of absorption, guardian, protective spirit etc. They will even use them to counter degen or on necromancer minions. Avoid such skills.

Aegis works well. I usually have it disabled though and a hotkey for it on my keyb (hero 2 use skill 7 etc)

Unless you are great at micro accept the fact that heroes like to spam heals and work on a build from there.

Dismiss condition another skill that is usually just a burden on a hero bar.
Like Racthoh said heroes use it on each and every condition and run out of energy. I usually don't even take a condition removal on my hero monk. Give your necro/ele extinguish or pure was li ming or something. There aren't that many debilitating conditions in pve that need a spot removal.

I sometimes go restore conditions monk and give my other monk hero draw conditions (disabled ofcourse) and force cast it if needed.

Cure hex is ok if only for the heal. Like conditions removing some crap like conjure phantasm isn't really going to change anything in a battle. Monsters don't think and hexes aren't much to worry about.

ALF71BE · Apr 10, 2008, 01:22 AM // 01:22

So I did this:

WoH
Dwayna's Kiss
SoR
RoF
SoA
Aegis
GoLE
Rebirth

What you think about it?

Oh, and any tips on the wand/focus?

Thanks again

Antithesis · Apr 10, 2008, 02:09 AM // 02:09

Heroes are bad with Reversal of Fortune, besides, you've already got 3 heals.

You've got no hex/condition removal, at least take Remove / Cure Hex. Without Hex removal, i'd take a N/Rt Restorer instead.

Rebirth is a party-wipe rez...chances are the Monk's already dead.

MasterSasori · Apr 10, 2008, 06:18 PM // 18:18

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Originally Posted by ALF71BE

So I did this:

WoH
Dwayna's Kiss
SoR
RoF
SoA
Aegis
GoLE
Rebirth

What you think about it?

Oh, and any tips on the wand/focus?

Drop RoF for Patient. I don't like using GoLE on heros because I find that they're pretty darn incompetent when it comes to using it. Racthoh suggested that Power Drain isn't useful, but I find it useful in certain situations; its more of trying things out and see how it works for you.

If energy is the real trouble though, I would run N/Rt.

Grammar · Apr 10, 2008, 09:59 PM // 21:59

-Word of Healing
-Dwayna's Kiss
-Signet of Rejuvenation
-Dismiss Condition
-Cure Hex
-Shield of Absorption
-Aegis
-Optional: Guardian, Prot Spirit (red-barred, must be micro-managed), Vigorous Spirit, Shielding Hands, e-management skill, rez, maybe a 2nd hex remover for some areas, etc. etc.

Optional slot usually ends up being Guardian if there isn't a 2nd copy of Aegis somewhere in the party. But a red-barred & micro-managed Prot Spirit is good to have for the occasional Ele boss madness you'll face in some areas.

Chthon · Apr 10, 2008, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

Drop RoF for Patient.

The AI is already slow enough on landing direct heals when needed. I don't think giving them the option of delaying for an extra 2 sec when you need the heal now is a good idea.
If patient has a use it all, it's on the bar of a human player who can differentiate between an ally who needs a clean up heal and an ally who's going to die without prompt intervention.

ALF71BE · Apr 11, 2008, 01:48 AM // 01:48

Well I dropped RoF for Remove Hex and Rebirth for mend Condition (as I said, I don't have GWEN so no Cure Hex nor Patient).

I also used Dismiss Condition but it was too much spammed, and this is curiously very well managed. And no energy problems with GoLE there. Though I have to manually cast Aegis numerous times sice it casts almost when battle is done.

I thank everyone for helping. But yet, what about the equipment? 40/40 Healing Prayers? Or what? Maybe 20/20 HSR and Daze less time?

A Leprechaun · Apr 15, 2008, 06:47 PM // 18:47

[Word of [email protected]][Dwaynas [email protected]][vigorous [email protected]][mend [email protected]][remove hex][leech [email protected]][power [email protected]][restore life]

This is just what I run for my healer monk. I have never really played monk much, so its pretty bad.

~A Leprechaun~

Mr Pink57 · Apr 15, 2008, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Heroes use the HC Healspam build alright, just diasble Comtemplation and Healer's Convenant.

pink

MasterSasori · Apr 15, 2008, 11:05 PM // 23:05

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Originally Posted by Chthon

The AI is already slow enough on landing direct heals when needed. I don't think giving them the option of delaying for an extra 2 sec when you need the heal now is a good idea.
If patient has a use it all, it's on the bar of a human player who can differentiate between an ally who needs a clean up heal and an ally who's going to die without prompt intervention.

Since a hero heals people with 95% of their health, they will be doing this regardless. I wouldn't depend on a hero monk if a target got spiked in PvE (no real spikes in PvE).

The best alternative I can think of is Dwayna's Kiss.

ScythXIII · Apr 20, 2008, 01:59 PM // 13:59

I use this for Dunkoro:
[build=Mo E PVE WoH Hero;OwYjAtPWDTaEbElEVatETEIDxEA]

Just add a Protection Monk Hero/Henchmen and it should be fine.