Curse

DarkSpirit · May 10, 2008, 05:47 AM // 05:47

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Yeah, I noticed the "Like Tyla" bit.

They don't use it to mitigate damage until they get even the smallest of damage delt. Hence why they also use it on minions. Not in a fight.

Don't get me wrong, it still works, but they're still bad at it. That's why alot of people micromanage it.

I have never micro manage the hero's PS. If I need to, then I would rather not have it on my MM.

Do the others find the MM's usage of PS to be poor?

bam23 · May 10, 2008, 05:50 AM // 05:50

They usually use PS AFTER it would've been useful.

DarkSpirit · May 10, 2008, 05:56 AM // 05:56

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Originally Posted by bam23

They usually use PS AFTER it would've been useful.

Yes but I dont expect the hero to be able to anticipate a spike. Most PUG monks dont either.

Tyla · May 10, 2008, 05:58 AM // 05:58

Micro PS on someone before they get hit by BIG DOMAGE.

DarkSpirit · May 10, 2008, 06:04 AM // 06:04

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Micro PS on someone before they get hit by BIG DOMAGE.

Like I said, one reason why people like Sabway is you dont need to micro it.

Tyla · May 10, 2008, 06:06 AM // 06:06

Yeah, becasue clicking ONE skill, or even by clicking a button on your keyboard is so hard.
Sabway is best for minimal micro.

DarkSpirit · May 10, 2008, 06:14 AM // 06:14

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Yeah, becasue clicking ONE skill, or even by clicking a button on your keyboard is so hard.
Sabway is best for minimal micro.

Except this involves watching who the monster would target next, quickly cast PS before he is attacked while kiting/attacking with your main character at the same time. Can be done but I wouldn't call it a minimal micro.

Tyla · May 10, 2008, 06:19 AM // 06:19

You should be concentrating on the field anyway.

DarkSpirit · May 10, 2008, 06:24 AM // 06:24

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Originally Posted by Tyla

You should be concentrating on the field anyway.

I am, and having heroes that I dont need to micro helps me to do that even better.

Paul Dawg · May 10, 2008, 06:50 AM // 06:50

I find that he uses Aegis very nicely, and Protective Spirit not so nicely. In most areas, you don't really need his Protective Spirit, but it's still quite handy to have on his bar so that you can manual it if you need it before/during hugely dangerous battles. Otherwise, he seems to use it kinda randomly.

A hero MM-bomber who blows stuff up left and right and also deals out Aegis and also has Protective Spirit on his bar in case you need it--all in all, that's pretty brilliant. Wish I had thought of it.

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

My question to you all you Sabway users is: Do you find the Sab MM to be using Protective Spirit well or not?

Introverted Dimensions · May 10, 2008, 07:12 AM // 07:12

my mm uses ps pretty nicely i feel although i don't really have him run it anymore since i myself am a monk and go hybrid.

PyrAnkh · May 10, 2008, 07:32 AM // 07:32

No, i took prot spirit out pretty much right away. Aegis is fire and forget passive defense so thats okay.

Shaz · May 10, 2008, 08:45 AM // 08:45

To answer DarkSpirit - Does the MM (or any hero) use PS correctly? No.
But PS work on the MM because energy is not a problem, so he can spam it all he want. Put it on a monk primary and it will drain their energy usually. Basically, heroes do not use PS correctly, but it's fine on a necro because they have SR.

DarkSpirit · May 10, 2008, 09:41 AM // 09:41

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Originally Posted by Shaz

To answer DarkSpirit - Does the MM (or any hero) use PS correctly? No.
But PS work on the MM because energy is not a problem, so he can spam it all he want. Put it on a monk primary and it will drain their energy usually. Basically, heroes do not use PS correctly, but it's fine on a necro because they have SR.

I agree with your analysis. For groups without a MM, I prefer to bring shielding hands instead of PS.

Washi · May 10, 2008, 10:57 AM // 10:57

I never use PS on my bomber. Simply cause I don't need it. I always pack him with [skill]power drain[/skill] and [skill]leech signet[/skill] cause that's the thing heroes can actually do.

Abedeus · May 10, 2008, 11:04 AM // 11:04

Actually, Blood Mastery at 16 + Spoil Victor + death magic 0 + bone minions + prot spirit = EPIC WINZ LOL!!1

distilledwill · May 10, 2008, 11:37 AM // 11:37

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Originally Posted by Shaz

To answer DarkSpirit - Does the MM (or any hero) use PS correctly? No.
But PS work on the MM because energy is not a problem, so he can spam it all he want. Put it on a monk primary and it will drain their energy usually. Basically, heroes do not use PS correctly, but it's fine on a necro because they have SR.

Although ive now replaced all of the prot skills on my bomber with [[Dwayna's Sorrow], [[Infuse Condition] and [[Foul Feast], I did used to like having prot spirit there for when mobs with powerful spells such as the HM Ruby Djinns pop up. Id prot myself up, get some regen going then run in and take the first blast, allowing my heroes to come in afterwards and clear up the mess.

Chthon · May 10, 2008, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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Originally Posted by Shaz

To answer DarkSpirit - Does the MM (or any hero) use PS correctly? No.
But PS work on the MM because energy is not a problem, so he can spam it all he want. Put it on a monk primary and it will drain their energy usually. Basically, heroes do not use PS correctly, but it's fine on a necro because they have SR.

What's more: You simply need to have PS in a lot of HM zones. That means someone has to be a monk secondary. It can't be the healer, since that needs the /Rt secondary, so it comes down the the curser or the MB. The MB seems a better choice.

Is it clunky? Heck, yes. A MB/half-assed-prot-monk hybrid is pretty awkward. But it's slightly less clunky than a curses/half-assed-prot-monk hybrid, and no PS at all isn't an option.

Now, as soon as you get an 8-person team (or even a 6-person team), the first thing to do is unpack that ugly hybrid-by-necessity and do something like this to make the MB bar more internally synergized:

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Originally Posted by distilledwill

Although ive now replaced all of the prot skills on my bomber with [[Dwayna's Sorrow], [[Infuse Condition] and [[Foul Feast]

A slightly more interesting question is whether, after the recent skill changes and AI updates, Dwayna's Sorrow+ Infuse Condition+Foul Feast on the MB is now adequate to replace VwK (which I've always disliked the AI for) and MBS/WoR and and possibly free up the healer to become a N/Mo or Mo/X healer/prot hybrid. But then where to put splinter?...

distilledwill · May 10, 2008, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by Chthon

A slightly more interesting question is whether, after the recent skill changes and AI updates, Dwayna's Sorrow+ Infuse Condition+Foul Feast on the MB is now adequate to replace VwK (which I've always disliked the AI for) and MBS/WoR and and possibly free up the healer to become a N/Mo or Mo/X healer/prot hybrid. But then where to put splinter?...

I assume you mean PwK. I have to say, I still like the N/Rt channelling/resto hybrid. The healing from Dwayna's is not substantial, so I wouldnt permanently ditch the hero altogether.

Out of the trio, however, they are the most dispensible. I have a habit of replacing them with a signet mesmer or cruel spear para when the situation arises.

Washi · May 11, 2008, 09:55 AM // 09:55

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Originally Posted by Chthon

What's more: You simply need to have PS in a lot of HM zones /.../ and no PS at all isn't an option.

I have a legendary vanquisher and I didn't use PS. There is a skill called [skill]save yourselves[/skill] that makes many prots redundant.