Curse

bendezium · Jun 19, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16

Hey guys! I'm a monk, my Uncle Bob is a necro. We've been just nuking the crap out of everything for vanquishing, and it's working pretty well. We'd just like a little change of pace. I'm at work, so I can't get online and test it out, but here's my initial thoughts:

Me and my heroes:
[Eryk (HB Heal);OwYT043AZ6jYjIH83BZQiIuCNCA]
[Hayda (Motivator);AJMCqWin8IiVxX4OcKeI7ul3A]
[Morgahn (Commander 1);AJMCqayl4wjtwh/KMQOI7ul3A]
[Sousuke (Burninator);OgBCoMzDdbs206F+CkBugWA]

Bob and his heroes:
[Bob (Damage Booster);AEOioSwhIJHYI0JMHgxcttFWVB]
[Hayda (Leader);AZMC6Wpl6wVeLo4eMD+B7ul3A]
[Morgahn (Commander 2);OQCjUimMqOs4dsFuGLkfwub5NA]
[Tahlkora (Prot);AjJxjh8MQmJCEt4mulEQQGA]

I'm flexible and open to new ideas - only thing is, I'd like to use 4 paragons. Feel free to tell me to chuck out the other heroes. I'm considering switching one of the Paragons to P/W and adding "Watch Yourselves!" and "Shields Up!" but I'm still not sure what to toss out. I haven't had a lot of experience with Paragon heroes, so I'm still not sure what they're good at and what they're bad at. Thank you for your suggestions!

Eryk

Kerwyn Nasilan · Jun 19, 2008, 10:19 PM // 22:19

Looks just fine to me

scythefromunder · Jun 19, 2008, 10:23 PM // 22:23

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ight=para+team

I think you can fit a monk in there somewhere.
And your "Uncle Bob" can run the orders.

bendezium · Jun 20, 2008, 01:03 AM // 01:03

Yeah, I've seen that thread. You don't think I'll have enough healing with 2 monks plus the half-healer motivation Paragon? And do you really think Orders will help more than Mark of Pain / Barbs? Orders only lasts 5 seconds...

Eryk

theonetheonlybruce · Jun 20, 2008, 01:08 AM // 01:08

well what orders is he talking about [order of pain] or[order of the vampire]

scythefromunder · Jun 20, 2008, 01:09 AM // 01:09

@Bruce
I was talking about [Order of the Vampire]

@Bendezium

I suggest to have
1 [Save Yourselves!] with [Focused Anger]
1 [Order of the Vampire]
1 [Shield of Deflection]
1 [Angelic Bond]
1 [Song of Purification]
1 [Stunning Strike]
1 [Healer's Boon]
1 [Empathic Removal]

Try to play around with that.

bendezium · Jun 20, 2008, 01:11 AM // 01:11

LOL did you just copy and paste Racthoh's post?

Eryk

scythefromunder · Jun 20, 2008, 01:22 AM // 01:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by bendezium

LOL did you just copy and paste Racthoh's post?

Eryk

Maybe...It was on accident =D
but edited
Look ^

War My Guild · Jun 20, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31

I'd stick [aegis] somewhere on Tahlk's bar.

Also, if you or 'Bob' could run [ebon battle standard of honor], that'd help alot, as you have 4 paras.

bendezium · Jun 20, 2008, 01:42 AM // 01:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by scythefromunder

I suggest to have
1 [Save Yourselves!] with [Focused Anger]

That would be problematic, since neither of us humans are a Paragon. Granted, one of us could go Paragon secondary, but then what would I do for energy management / where would we put Splinter Weapon?

I'll rethink Tahlkora's build as well

Eryk

Shaz · Jun 20, 2008, 02:28 AM // 02:28

From just looking over the build quickly, mostly at the paragon builds, here are some suggestions.

2 meciless spear seem pretty pointless, 1 is enough, or even none since you have a cruel already. Have some attack with +damage.

Barbed spear is not that great in PvE, as bleeding isn't an important condition, you especially don't need 2 of it at only 2 adren cost. You already have burning and weakness to trigger Stunning.

Try to fit Anthem of Envy for added damage, maybe for one of the Anthem of Flame. One Anthem of Flame should be enough, as they spam it on recharge.

Do they chain SYG correctly, or you micro it? If not then one Tactic Paragon with Watch Yourself is probably better, then you can also have Shield Up.

Crippling Anthem is not necessary in PvE. I'd use something else, like Song of Restoration or Defensive Anthem if you want your caster some blocking since you don't have Aegis.

Higher Spear Mastery, 9-10 Command/Motivation should be enough. You can have 12 Motivation on the Song of Purification Para after runed (11+1) if you want it to remove 3 conditions.

War My Guild · Jun 20, 2008, 02:43 AM // 02:43

Adding on to my earlier opinions:

[Word of Healing] would be better than [light of deliverance]

Try swapping out [crippling anthem] for ["incoming!"]

distilledwill · Jun 20, 2008, 08:42 AM // 08:42

The builds look fine. Although as War My Guild says, Id swap out Crippling Anthem - not that good in PvE and you might want to try swapping it out for something like [["Incoming!"].
Also, although Deep Wound is fun, merciless spear is not doing much when you have 2 copies AND a cruel spear para. Try swapping them out for [[Vicious Attack] or [[Harrier's Toss] - that way you get more damage.

Also, skills such as [[Cry Of Frustration] and [[Power Spike] are very useful on paras. Even with a very low spec they do an ok amount of damage and serve as an interupt (which your current build lacks barr Stunning Strike). You could try squeezing them onto a couple of your paras - maybe over [[Mending Refrain] and [[Bladeturn Refrain].

bendezium · Jun 20, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

OK, I've updated the Paragons - only 1 Barbed Spear, 1 Merciless Spear, 1 Anthem of Flame, no Crippling Anthem, etc. Also, Tahlkora is now full Prot... I like the SoD suggestion.

One thing I don't understand... why Orders instead of SS/Mark of Pain/Barbs? What about SS/Reckless Haste/Price of Failure? The Orders only last 5 seconds and take a full 2 seconds to cast, plus they require sacrificing 1/6 of your health. I'm not against using them, just to clarify, I just don't understand why they're the best choice - an explanation would make me feel better about swapping them in.

Thanks for the ideas guys - keep 'em coming!

Eryk

Tyla · Jun 20, 2008, 05:59 PM // 17:59

Give the Necro [[enfeebling blood]. You're best off being the prot as heroes can't preprot, and Res skills are bad on heroes.

An SF Elementalist is kinda bad on it's own, and Rodgort's Invocation is bad on an SF bar. Swap this out with an Orders Necro / Dervish.

Considerable to remove Essence Strike, Signet of Corruption and Vampirism off the SS, and replace with Enfeebling Blood, Death Pact Signet and Defile Defenses.

On the Healer's Boon bar, Healing Seed is bad. Res is bad on Monks. I would go with a WoH Hybrid Monk, but if you want Healer's Boon, take something like this:

[healer's boon][heal party][protective spirit][aegis][patient spirit][gole][dismiss condition][cure hex]

And chain Aegis.

For WoH?

[woh][patient spirit][signet of rejuvenation][aegis][shield of absorption][dismiss condition][cure hex][gole]

Orders are good because it's got alot of physicals, by the way.

I also wouldn't consider an Ele to become part of the defense web aswell.

bendezium · Jun 20, 2008, 06:06 PM // 18:06

The SF was there to spread burning to make "They're on Fire!" useful. I'm okay with dropping it though - i'll just replace "They're on Fire!" with something else, no big deal.

Idea... change Bob to a N/P so he can use "Save Yourselves!" and swap the ele out for a Rt/x or N/Rt to spam Splinter Weapon? I've got Paragons chucking spears 25% faster than normal... Splinter Weapon seems like it would be a great asset.

Eryk

Tyla · Jun 20, 2008, 06:10 PM // 18:10

Well if you can, try running Orders and Splinter on the hero.

As for Bob, stick with the current idea and put Great Dwarf Weapon on a Paragon.

DarkSpirit · Jun 20, 2008, 06:14 PM // 18:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

I also wouldn't consider an Ele to become part of the defense web aswell.

I disagree. The SF ele is there for ToF. Considering that he has no SY and no minions as shield, ToF is useful for the damage reduction, especially in HM.

bendezium · Jun 20, 2008, 06:19 PM // 18:19

I think I'll keep the Ele for the burning purposes, but modify the build a little bit - maybe E/Me for Leech Signet and Power Drain.

I'll talk to Bob and see what he thinks about SS vs Orders - I'll leave it up to him which build to run.

I can't put Great Dwarf Weapon on a Paragon - they're all Heroes, so they can't use PvE only skills.

Also, I'll consider changing my build as well so both Tahlkora and I are Heal/Prot, since chaining Aegis sounds very attractive.

Eryk

The Rift · Jun 20, 2008, 06:25 PM // 18:25

I am doing this with a guildy aswell at the moment, is quite fun to make a 2 human / 6 hero build.
We are both necro's and it looks a little like this.

Me (N/Me) = Icy veins
hero 1 (N/Mo) = Jagged Bones ( sabway setup )
hero 2 (N/Rt) = Spiteful Spirit ( sabway setup )
hero 3 (P/W) = Song of Restoration ( Ractoh buddies setup )
Guildy (N/A) = Assassin's Promise, Mark of Pain nuker
hero 4 (N/Mo) = Divert Hexes protter
hero 5 (N/Rt) = Weapon of Redemy Healer ( sabway setup )
hero 6 (N/E) = Discord

still working on it, need some quicker heals, but the damage is insane.