Curse

sterbenx2 · Jun 25, 2008, 06:58 PM // 18:58

Just a suggestion. You might want to swap Bone Horror with Bone Fiend. In my experience, its better to have a mix of ranged and front line minions. Also, Its MUCH easier to get Fiends "whithin earshot" without endangering your Para too much.

The MM build I use for HM is Shambling, Fiend, Jagged Bones, Heal Area, Blood of the Master, Death Nova, Taste of Death, Ressurection Chant.

I've Vanquished Tyria with Olias and Whispers running that build. 16 Death. and I believe 8 Healing Prayers, Soul Reaping, rest. The heroes use all these skills perfectly.

Koning · Jun 25, 2008, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

Gfte?

GftE is adrenaline, which means, like tyla said, when you're not fighting thus not getting adreanline outside battle, you can't keep AR up. Or are you trying to recast it every time before going into a next fight

?

Besides that, theres a lot that's doesn't seem logical to me...

DarkSpirit · Jun 25, 2008, 07:23 PM // 19:23

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Originally Posted by sterbenx2

Just a suggestion. You might want to swap Bone Horror with Bone Fiend. In my experience, its better to have a mix of ranged and front line minions. Also, Its MUCH easier to get Fiends "whithin earshot" without endangering your Para too much.

The MM build I use for HM is Shambling, Fiend, Jagged Bones, Heal Area, Blood of the Master, Death Nova, Taste of Death, Ressurection Chant.

I've Vanquished Tyria with Olias and Whispers running that build. 16 Death. and I believe 8 Healing Prayers, Soul Reaping, rest. The heroes use all these skills perfectly.

I have tried replacing Horrors with Fiends before and I dont like the fact that the MM is frequently in single digit energy. This means minions are not dying fast enough for bombing to be effective with fiends, as fiends stay in the backline. Furthermore, I would rather fiends death nova in the frontline than for them to explode in the backline so it just doesn't work well with the Dwayna's Sorrow/Death Nova build. Paragons shout range is within that of his Spear, so it shouldn't be much of a problem with the minions being too far away.

Fiends does have its usefulness if you are using a necro character with [[Mark of Pain], rather than a minion bomber.

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Originally Posted by Koning

GftE is adrenaline, which means, like tyla said, when you're not fighting thus not getting adreanline outside battle, you can't keep AR up. Or are you trying to recast it every time before going into a next fight

?

Besides that, theres a lot that's doesn't seem logical to me...

Since Leader's Comfort is not popular, I may change it to a shout like Never Surrender, depending on my test result later. Otherwise, what would you recommend?

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Originally Posted by War My Guild

Methinks, that on the Monk, [signet of lost souls] should be added instead of [spotless mind]. Having said that, drop [animate shambling horror] for [remove hex].

Of course, that would change in hex heavy areas, but the signet on the monk would help with energy.

Oh, and if you're running the variant MM with [putrid bile], then why not switch the attributes so the MM can take [enfeebling blood] and the para can take something else in that slot(+6 free curse attribute points). The way the para is, the attributes are a little too spread for my liking and I've never seen anyone run any curse on a para.

They use it well thanks to a recent update to the AI for the skill.

Cathod requested to take SoLS out from monk and you are asking me to put it back in? Anyway, I will test without the signet and see, with soul reaping from the MM, the healer necro has never run out of energy yet.

Spotless Mind is better than remove hex and it synergizes with EOTN Mhenlo's [[Dwayna's Kiss].

You dont need to spec much into curse for Enfeebling Blood which means it works well on a secondary necro.

Tyla · Jun 25, 2008, 07:28 PM // 19:28

Anthem of Flame / Weariness is a good choice.

DarkSpirit · Jun 25, 2008, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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Originally Posted by Tyla

Anthem of Flame / Weariness is a good choice.

Perhaps Anthem of Flame since the Paragon is already bringing Enfeebling Blood. I will test it later and make the changes if it works better.

Koning · Jun 25, 2008, 08:53 PM // 20:53

Ok, since you seem caster oriented Defensive Anthem might be good on the paragon. Deep wound can still be achieved easily with vicous (+gfte). Altho I feel I only need 1 fast charging adrenaline shout to keep my energy up, so I would choose either gfte or anthem of envy. Anthem of envy is good, but it becomes a lot better when you have more physicals than you have now (I don't know which henchmen you take, or what prof you are yourself). If you want the weakness anthem of weariness is good since it also keeps up AR at the same time, that way you can even think of dropping enfeebling blood and that leaves you with more attribute points which you can use for something else.

DarkSpirit · Jun 25, 2008, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by Koning

Ok, since you seem caster oriented Defensive Anthem might be good on the paragon. Deep wound can still be achieved easily with vicous (+gfte). Altho I feel I only need 1 fast charging adrenaline shout to keep my energy up, so I would choose either gfte or anthem of envy. Anthem of envy is good, but it becomes a lot better when you have more physicals than you have now (I don't know which henchmen you take, or what prof you are yourself). If you want the weakness anthem of weariness is good since it also keeps up AR at the same time, that way you can even think of dropping enfeebling blood and that leaves you with more attribute points which you can use for something else.

I am bringing Aidan, Zho, Mhenlo, and Cynn or Herta in EOTN. My own character as another physical attacker sometimes if I am using my ranger or warrior/dervish/paragon/assassin. I would have brought more physical henchies if not for the fact that melee henchies have pathing issues when attacked by AoE so I avoided them altogether nowadays.

I like your suggestion of dropping enfeebling blood for Anthem of Weariness. I should be able to boost Spear Mastery by 1 level.

DarkSpirit · Jun 26, 2008, 06:08 AM // 06:08

I have updated the build.

The healer necro still needed SoLS and Signet of Rejuvenation for her energy needs but I replaced signet of absorption with protective spirit.

On the Paragon, I replaced Leader's Comfort with Cry of Frustration and Enfeebling Blood with Anthem of Weariness.

I also added an offensive variant for the MM with Splinter Weapon as a Rit secondary.