Curse

Tyla · Jun 07, 2008, 04:00 PM // 16:00

The Ele is bad though. No support on a midline guy is bad.

angmar_nite · Jun 07, 2008, 04:55 PM // 16:55

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

If you like, I'll post my build instead. Earthshaker warrior, BHA ranger, Orders necro with splinter. There you go. Take all physical damage henchmen and you're ready to rumble.

i'd like that. I want to know how you make a melee hero work.

DarkSpirit · Jun 07, 2008, 05:41 PM // 17:41

Try this modification:

[build prof=N name="Jagged MM" box blo=3 death=12+1+3 sou=12+1][Jagged Bones][Animate Bone Horror][Animate Shambling Horror][Foul Feast][Infuse Condition][Dark Bond][Death Nova][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]
[build prof=N/Mo name="Necro Healer" box sou=9+1+1 hea=12 pro=9][Word of Healing][Signet of Rejuvenation][Patient Spirit][Dwayna's Kiss][Cure Hex][Dwayna's Sorrow][Vengeance][Aegis][/build]
Set Healer to avoid combat. Use Res Chant or your other preferred res if you dont like Vengeance.
[build prof=E/Rt name="SH Ele" box fir=12+1+1 ene=12+1 res=3][Savannah Heat][Searing Heat][Teinai's Heat][Fireball][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Aura of Restoration][Fire Attunement][Death Pact Signet][/build]
Variant:
[build prof=E/Me name="SF Ele" box ins=8 fir=12+1+1 ene=10+1][Searing Flames][Glowing Gaze][Liquid Flame][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Aura of Restoration][Fire Attunement][Drain Enchantment][Resurrection Signet][/build]
Searing Flames for better synergy with [[They're on Fire] if you using the 6-man version.

If you have the means for a 6-man build:

[build name="SS Necro" prof=N/Rt box sou=12+1 cur=12+1+1 res=3][Spiteful Spirit][Enfeebling Blood][Barbs][Rip Enchantment][Weaken Armor][Defile Defenses][Signet of Lost Souls][Death Pact Signet][/build]
[build prof=N/Rt name="Splinter Restore Healer" box sou=8+1+1 res=12 cha=10][Splinter Weapon][Weapon of Warding][Mend Body and Soul][Spirit Light][Protective Was Kaolai][Life][Signet of Lost Souls][Death Pact Signet][/build]
[build prof=P name="Motigon" box spe=11+1 comma=1 mot=10+1 lea=10+1+1][Aggressive Refrain][Vicious Attack][Song of Restoration]["They're on Fire!"][Aria of Zeal][Anthem of Flame]["Go for the Eyes!"][Signet of Return][/build]

Keekles · Jun 07, 2008, 05:54 PM // 17:54

Still don't like the Ele, in HM the AOE is pretty much useless as the mobs scatter all over the place instantly. Healer has a massive lacking of prot. In fact, he has only aegis. I'd at least put Prot Spirit in there.

Basically what I see here is Sab's mm sort of being split apart, you lose the prot that he provided (prot spirit) and you gain... a pure red bars go up, which sadly the n/rt healer does perfectly well.

luwe80 · Jun 07, 2008, 06:02 PM // 18:02

Dang. I was hoping for something spectacular as it was advertised as better than Sabway. You want to use Ursan that's fine. But when I saw that Ele bar I knew this was BS.

I've been using a modified version of the MB nuker.

Mind Blast, GoLE, Searing Heat, Rodgort's Invocation, Ward Against Melee, Technobabble, Fire Attunement and Signet of Capture

15 Fire
13 Energy
7 Earth
10 Asuran

Lets me spam MB and Rodgorts, got melee protection and an area daze. No energy issues unless you're a 5 year old. Oh and I can cap skills

Snow Bunny · Jun 07, 2008, 06:17 PM // 18:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

[Fire Ele;OghjowMc4MkViRR0IiMoF4ikLA]

BRB GUYS SKILLS RECHARGING LOLOLOLOLOL

DarkSpirit · Jun 07, 2008, 06:22 PM // 18:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keekles

Still don't like the Ele, in HM the AOE is pretty much useless as the mobs scatter all over the place instantly. Healer has a massive lacking of prot. In fact, he has only aegis. I'd at least put Prot Spirit in there.

Basically what I see here is Sab's mm sort of being split apart, you lose the prot that he provided (prot spirit) and you gain... a pure red bars go up, which sadly the n/rt healer does perfectly well.

Heroes suck with Protective Spirit.

And I like AoE scatter to protect my backline, you see the stupid monster AI run in and out of AoE repeatedly making them useless, and soaking up all my range attacks at the same time, just like the stupid melee heroes. AoE+Minions is also very nice.

Sora267 · Jun 07, 2008, 06:37 PM // 18:37

@OP:
How the hell does Bonetti's work on a Monk hero who should be set to Avoid Combat? It won't be gaining any adrenaline...EPIC FAIL.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

BRB GUYS SKILLS RECHARGING LOLOLOLOLOL

Ahaha, QFT.

-Lotus- · Jun 07, 2008, 06:58 PM // 18:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

Try this modification:

[Jagged MM;OApkQIFshui0S1UQC4igiA7FaQVF]
[Healer;OANDYZzfSaE3NNgbETfGN7EBEA]
Set Healer to avoid combat. Use Res Chant or your other preferred res if you dont like Vengeance.
[Fire Ele;OghjowMc4MkViRR0IiMoF4ikLA]

necro is like sabway except your wasting energy selfish skills (Dark bond and mysic regen) instead of universally useful skills (prot spirit/aegis). also, with only the one summon its going to take forever to build and mantain an army.

the healer is just stupid. you have 4 straight heals. wtf? 2 is fine. no prot except aegis. you need PS for HM. and your missing your SOLS.

The ele has the same problem as the last one, its a nuker. an a slow one at that. 4 skills do the same thing with no direct damage spells. and they will all cause the AI to scatter and the damage is reduces by armor anyways so most of the numbers coming from that hero will be single digits.

DarkSpirit · Jun 07, 2008, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by -Lotus-

necro is like sabway except your wasting energy selfish skills (Dark bond and mysic regen) instead of universally useful skills (prot spirit/aegis). also, with only the one summon its going to take forever to build and mantain an army.

The necro is an old build that sabway copied from.

Yes unfortunately my necro is a very selfish guy. He said he wouldn't even sacrifice his life for a friend because he feels his job is more important as the minion and SR engine, can you believe that?

The 1 Summon with a 5s recharge and costing 10e is taking too long to build an army for you?

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the healer is just stupid. you have 4 straight heals. wtf? 2 is fine. no prot except aegis. you need PS for HM. and your missing your SOLS.

Don't you know the established mindset in this forum yet?

Heroes suck with protection spells. Aegis is easy enough for them not to screw it up and soul reaping is good enough.

Quote:

The ele has the same problem as the last one, its a nuker. an a slow one at that. 4 skills do the same thing with no direct damage spells. and they will all cause the AI to scatter and the damage is reduces by armor anyways so most of the numbers coming from that hero will be single digits.

Did you not read that the AoE scatter is by design?

Thanks for your theory crafting, while my Weaken Armor is helping my Ele kill alot faster than sabway ever did for me.

Super Igor · Jun 07, 2008, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Dark spirit's build is good, gunnatest.

zwei2stein · Jun 07, 2008, 09:40 PM // 21:40

Is all this some kind of joke i am not getting?

-Lotus- · Jun 07, 2008, 10:32 PM // 22:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

The necro is an old build that sabway copied from.

Yes unfortunately my necro is a very selfish guy. He said he wouldn't even sacrifice his life for a friend because he feels his job is more important as the minion and SR engine, can you believe that?

The 1 Summon with a 5s recharge and costing 10e is taking too long to build an army for you?

Don't you know the established mindset in this forum yet?

Heroes suck with protection spells. Aegis is easy enough for them not to screw it up and soul reaping is good enough.

Did you not read that the AoE scatter is by design?

Thanks for your theory crafting, while my Weaken Armor is helping my Ele kill alot faster than sabway ever did for me.

oh i fianally understand. yes yes, i see. this build is amazing. the sheer genius of it will just cause mobs to die instantly. thats why it dosnt need damage or synergy or anything, of course...

I still think holy should change the title here, its attracting undeserved attention.

Pocketmancer · Jun 08, 2008, 01:28 AM // 01:28

The more I look at this build, the more I think it's meant to be a joke. Usage of "u" in place of "you" and Meteor Shower on the Elementalist skill bar kinda gives it away IMO. If the OP is serious, then, well, damn, he's probably got more skill or patience/time or consumables than me for trying to vanquish. :T

distilledwill · Jun 08, 2008, 01:47 AM // 01:47

I dont see the point in giving the MM so many skills to keep himself alive, then also taking a hero monk. Imo, you'll probably only need one or the other.

The dark bond, infuse, mystic regen combo is ok in AB but in PvE I can't imagine it being more useful than taking the points from earth/blood and speccing back into SR or into protection (taking the Aegis from the monk and redistributing the points into healing).

I was gonna pull you up on lack of energy management on the monk then I realised it was a necro

The ele build is very similar to what I run if I'm feeling a little old-skool and want a SH ele, I do think Aura of Restoration is a little meh, but each to their own. Im loving [[Unsteady Ground] eles with [[Glowstone] and [[Enfeebling Blood] atm.

DarkSpirit · Jun 08, 2008, 01:52 AM // 01:52

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Originally Posted by distilledwill

I dont see the point in giving the MM so many skills to keep himself alive, then also taking a hero monk. Imo, you'll probably only need one or the other.

The dark bond, infuse, mystic regen combo is ok in AB but in PvE I can't imagine it being more useful than taking the points from earth/blood and speccing back into SR or into protection (taking the Aegis from the monk and redistributing the points into healing).

I was gonna pull you up on lack of energy management on the monk then I realised it was a necro

The ele build is very similar to what I run if I'm feeling a little old-skool and want a SH ele, I do think Aura of Restoration is a little meh, but each to their own. Im loving [[Unsteady Ground] eles with [[Glowstone] and [[Enfeebling Blood] atm.

Yes they are old school builds. I wont complain about protection for the MM, when going through certain tougher areas in HM, where damage is so high that it would kill most MM, I could still see him struggling to survive with half life or less and he almost never dies. That means you have a constant flow of minions, death nova, heals from Dwayna, and conditions removal. If your MM is too weak, there goes your minion wall, the SR energy for your healer, and your team. But you are probably right, I can take away the spec for Earth and make him churn out quality minions at a faster rate. Updated.

For those who dont like the Ele, you can improve on it further with only a slight modification:

[build prof=E/Rt name="SH Ele" box fir=12+1+1 ene=12+1 res=3][Savannah Heat][Searing Heat][Teinai's Heat][Fireball][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Aura of Restoration][Fire Attunement][Death Pact Signet][/build]

If you dont like Aura of Restoration, you can also replace it with Deep Freeze for a snare.

Updated Motigon and the Ele.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...5&postcount=63

Laylat · Jun 08, 2008, 09:13 AM // 09:13

WTB ele energy management?

Edit:
Fire attunement... but still, I'd highly recommend GoLE.

byteme! · Jun 08, 2008, 09:51 AM // 09:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

BRB GUYS SKILLS RECHARGING LOLOLOLOLOL

EPIC LOL I literally rolled on the floor laughing. =)

Super Igor · Jun 08, 2008, 11:35 AM // 11:35

yeye

/12chars

Tyla · Jun 08, 2008, 11:42 AM // 11:42

That Ele is still bad. An Ele with no utility isn't good.