Curse

FlamingMetroid · Jun 05, 2008, 06:07 PM // 18:07

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Originally Posted by slayer5555

Well all I know is that i got loads of thnx about this build ingame, meaning by people who actualy used the build.
There are loads of build that wouldn't work in theory yet they do great if used.
If u don't want to use it fine, it has been proven wurthy.
And it has been tested as i got legendary vanq in a week with this teambuild.

WTB ENGLISH MOTHERRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOER macro

you can vanq with any team build using Ursan, grats.
just because the majority thinks its good doesn't mean anything, the majority(especially in GW) is very stupid.
Sure this build works, but again its mediocre at best and has way to many flaws to be comparable to Sabway.

slayer5555 · Jun 05, 2008, 06:11 PM // 18:11

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

WTB ENGLISH MOTHERRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOER macro

you can vanq with any team build using Ursan, grats.
just because the majority thinks its good doesn't mean anything, the majority(especially in GW) is very stupid.
Sure this build works, but again its mediocre at best and has way to many flaws to be comparable to Sabway.

U DON'T HAVE TO USE URSAN IF U DON'T LIKE ><
ffs just read before reply

FlamingMetroid · Jun 05, 2008, 06:15 PM // 18:15

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Originally Posted by slayer5555

U DON'T HAVE TO USE URSAN IF U DON'T LIKE ><
ffs just read before reply

I did, and from what I was able to salvage from your attempt at English was that you usually run Ursan with this(with three professions somehow), and If you got vanquisher while using Ursan, it didn't have anything to do with your team build.

Sethellington · Jun 05, 2008, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

I did, and from what I was able to salvage from your attempt at English was that you usually run Ursan with this(with three professions somehow), and If you got vanquisher while using Ursan, it didn't have anything to do with your team build.

3 professions? ritualist... mesmer...

both 1 profession. 1+1... uhh... errm...

3 !!

oh, er wait.

Norn isn't a profession, but i do enjoy the sarcasm.

Dark Desicration · Jun 05, 2008, 06:18 PM // 18:18

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Originally Posted by slayer5555

U DON'T HAVE TO USE URSAN IF U DON'T LIKE ><
ffs just read before reply

lol, you need to read before you start raging at someone for no reason

Squishy ftw · Jun 05, 2008, 06:31 PM // 18:31

So this is some team build that works in most areas, except the ones that might actually pose a challenge ? Oh, ok.

phan · Jun 05, 2008, 06:33 PM // 18:33

I saw ; well someone finnaly came up with something nice ; and then I read ursan .. and i laughed

didn't even bother to look at the rest ..

edit ; well ok sorry i might of sounded rude ..

the ele bar should have some more utility .. maybe 12fire 10 es and 8 earth and make him grab a ward or something ..

ok the monk needs more prot ; so drop dwayna's ; bonnetis and rebirth and take ps ; GoLe and aegis maybe drop the signet for guardian or sb ..

Your hero have to much self defense ; which makes them mediocre at doing what they should do :>

Tyla · Jun 05, 2008, 06:33 PM // 18:33

Fire Ele? Balanced? Lol. Slap tons of AoE's on their bar with no utility. Good job, you made a bad Ele bar.

The MM? Protective Spirit and Aegis > Dark Bond and Mystic Regen.

The Monk? Res on Monks is bad, GoLE > Bonnetti's, because you need adrenaline for Bonetti's and it ends on a skill. It's energy gain is also requiring melee attacks only to hit, so how would it help at high health?
It also lacks prots, and GoLE is the best energy management you can get if you're not using any of the Ele energy management skills that are conditional, Ether Renewal or Soul Reaping.
And Radiants are bad. Prot is good. Energy management is good.

I'm just going to laugh at the Ursan. It's not vey "balanced" now is it? Sure, you don't have to use it, but if you're going to post it on a "balanced" team, you might aswell stop posting and hope a mod closes.

And if you think this is better than Sabway, you're bad. Things are better than Sabway sometimes, but heroes need some imba energy management in order to be any useful because they suck at managing their own energy. With players, they can often run their builds far more efficiently. Sometimes anyway.

Lourens · Jun 05, 2008, 06:39 PM // 18:39

Hey buddy

!

hmm doubt this will be better then sabway but i could give you some advice >)
might be a good idea to get rid of the mytic regen on the necro hero cause he isnt taken much damage thanks to dark bond then you can put the points out of earth prayers and put them into blood magic and then you put [blood ritual] in the spot

and the necro has unlimited energy so he can give some of its unlimited energy to the other casters in the group so they also get plenty of energy

then it would be pretty good i think

GL in tweaking the build even more

oliverrr1989 · Jun 05, 2008, 06:51 PM // 18:51

wow ursan and bonettis on a monk?
...
ZOMG UBERLEET!!!!!!!

sorry, when seeing those, i didnt know whether to laugh or cry, and now im resorting to petty humour :P

thiagobnu · Jun 05, 2008, 07:30 PM // 19:30

Slayer .....

the problem is not the build ... you can try, you can use and
you can recommend. But .... look the topic: "better than sabway" .... you ask for it my friend.
Post your build and ask opinions to improve him.
You're using 2 AB builds (MM and ele[with minor changes]), a monk with bonnetis and UB(yeah ... i know, not needed) .... this build sucks.

Use this build in Dalada Uplands HM. And let us know how effective is the build.

Fern Burntfist · Jun 05, 2008, 07:30 PM // 19:30

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Originally Posted by majikmajikmajik

that doesnt prove it works, that proves you got too much time on your hands..lolz

so true..

.

SmokingHotImolation · Jun 05, 2008, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by oliverrr1989

wow ursan and bonettis on a monk?
...
ZOMG UBERLEET!!!!!!!

sorry, when seeing those, i didnt know whether to laugh or cry, and now im resorting to petty humour :P

I cried. And then i cried more.
This has got to be a joke! Your epic teambuild contains 1 ursan, 1 bad monk bar, 1 really bad ele bar, and a minion bomber stolen from Sabway.
Thats very very cute.

KMVRanger · Jun 05, 2008, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by The Meth

Also, the oh so great ele build that spends 10 seconds nuking and 20 seconds sitting on its ass doing nothing is a sure sign of fail.

I have to agree with this. Heroes may be smarter than Hench but they are still dumb. I only load my ell heroes with as low cost, fast casting, quick recharges as I can without making them like a Pre character. Oh and no touch skills as they love to run in and aggro. In my experience the fewer skills you can run them with the better (I keep their bars up - like I'm sure many do - to see how they manage their builds).

Again my conclusion is they are stump dumb. All that being said, I'm open minded and will to try these builds out. They don't look like any combos I've tried (well except the jagged nec build - been using a version that does actually work).

This is not a slam Slayer. You are simply trying to be helpful and that is very cool. Thanks.

Mesmer in Need · Jun 05, 2008, 08:56 PM // 20:56

The ele and mm look like ab rip-offs. Everything else has been discussed. Armor ignoring hexes and splinter weapon>nuking (in HM).

Darkside · Jun 05, 2008, 09:20 PM // 21:20

This looks like what I used before Sabway. It was fine in nm but not so great in hm.

Cathode_Reborn · Jun 05, 2008, 09:40 PM // 21:40

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the OP's build vanquished everything - I like how people assume vanquishing is hard in the first place when it often isn't. Kill mob, plenty of time to stop and regen, repeat on next. Repetitive yet not-so-challening process.

Trying to claim this build is better than "Sabway" (as the PvE'ers call it), or any other well-setup team build is also silly. There's tons of builds that will win HM. Many people seem to blindly copy/paste 3hero builds and expect the same results everyone else gets. They seem to forget that the human player's bar often has the biggest impact on the team yet they often leave it out when posting builds. The OP has a list of areas he couldn't vanquish, but I'm pretty sure it'd be different if somethin other than Ursan is used. Ursan becomes insane when there's 6 on the team - it mean's that besides the 2 squishy healers, more than half the team is heavily armored and has 200+hp, and that makes stuff easy. That doesn't apply when there's only 1 ursan there. Some builds work better than others depending on the situation, obviously. There's always room for improvement in every build.

If you want a real challenge though, do Slaver's Exile HM - props to anyone that can complete it. Seriously....it's insane.

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

fuelling the Curse nec (better damage dealer than the ele, strong defense shit and sexy synergy with minions) and the /Rt healer (better than a monk hero, period).

Honestly, I've never used an SS hero. The truth is SS actually sucks. The reason it's used is just another case of not really having any better options to choose from. I actually used SS on my nec for ages. I was dissapointed when it jumped back to 15e (after temporarily being 10e) for abit because it's hardly worth the 15e cost sometimes. It's bad against casters usually which are often the bigger threats, and sure while it may be good against phys attackers, those can be shutdown easily by a curse nec anyways. SS requires the target to be alive to do damage, and still even then needs some time to actually do decent damage. In the time I've used it in HM, I've found it to be a pretty lacking elite. Now when were talking about using on a hero, it becomes even worse. They're rarely gonna use it on the good targets. And they might even slap it on a near-dead enemy. If you looked at the other elites in curses, they're all bad for PvE. Too conditional and PvP-based. The result is you're stuck using SS.

One of the best things that a nec hero can bring is Enfeebling Blood, which can be slapped on a x/N. The "synergy" with minions looks good on paper, but minions attack whoever they want, and the same applies to heroes if you're not targeting for them. I'm not saying I'd take a fire Ele over a curse nec, because I don't really like fire ele heroes, but I actually wouldn't take either.

Darkside · Jun 05, 2008, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the OP's build vanquished everything - I like how people assume vanquishing is hard in the first place when it often isn't. Kill mob, plenty of time to stop and regen, repeat on next. Repetitive yet not-so-challening process.

Trying to claim this build is better than "Sabway" (as the PvE'ers call it), or any other well-setup team build is also silly. There's tons of builds that will win HM. Many people seem to blindly copy/paste 3hero builds and expect the same results everyone else gets. They seem to forget that the human player's bar often has the biggest impact on the team yet they often leave it out when posting builds. The OP has a list of areas he couldn't vanquish, but I'm pretty sure it'd be different if somethin other than Ursan is used. Ursan becomes insane when there's 6 on the team - it mean's that besides the 2 squishy healers, more than half the team is heavily armored and has 200+hp, and that makes stuff easy. That doesn't apply when there's only 1 ursan there. Some builds work better than others depending on the situation, obviously. There's always room for improvement in every build.

If you want a real challenge though, do Slaver's Exile HM - props to anyone that can complete it. Seriously....it's insane.

Seems lately that everyone wants to have their own "[insert name here]way".

The Meth · Jun 05, 2008, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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Originally Posted by Darkside

Seems lately that everyone wants to have their own "[insert name here]way".

heh, methway would be an awesome name for a build. Then I could say I got the guild wars population hooked on meth

Teutonic Paladin · Jun 05, 2008, 09:59 PM // 21:59

You cleared ~120 zones in one week? Are there enough hours in a week? I thought you said this couldn't vanq some zones.