Curse

toastgodsupreme · Jul 20, 2008, 11:55 PM // 23:55

I used to be a big fan of sabway. Took it where ever I went. Then I loaded up a discord version yesterday and all I can say is, "Wow."

[Healer 1;OAhjUoGa4OV1Y2wUaO5a2ZsLGA]
[Healer 2;OAhjUoGa4SVVxMDTSTEPcijTXMA]
[MM;OABCUsxUVVMTVAagCYC4iAeA]

Everything dies within 5 seconds of my calling it.

The only time hexes are an issue are longer lasting snares. Aside from that, it hasn't been an issue so far.

I know it has it's weaknesses. I haven't 4 manned with it yet. Been doing 8-man missions in factions to finish getting masters on everything (which has been going great with discordway).

Antithesis · Jul 23, 2008, 06:49 AM // 06:49

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

Welcome back! I miss reading your posts.

Thanks Dark. I had a moment of clarity when i simultaneously hit 1000 posts on Guru, 2000 hours on my primary toon and 3000 total hours in GW and thought...WTF am i doing!

Having fun in real life for now. I'll see you guys in GW2.

DarkSpirit · Jul 23, 2008, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by toastgodsupreme

I know it has it's weaknesses. I haven't 4 manned with it yet. Been doing 8-man missions in factions to finish getting masters on everything (which has been going great with discordway).

My first reaction to Discordway was "Wow" too. The build doesn't look as good on paper as it does in the game.

And you are right, I have not used it in 4-manned areas yet and I have not seen any good 4-man Discordway either.

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

Thanks Dark. I had a moment of clarity when i simultaneously hit 1000 posts on Guru, 2000 hours on my primary toon and 3000 total hours in GW and thought...WTF am i doing!

Having fun in real life for now. I'll see you guys in GW2.

Yes, we have both been spending too much time in GW.

I MAY take the opportunity for a break and not get GW2, especially so if I do get a gaming console - too many games to play and not enough time to play them.

T1Cybernetic · Jul 23, 2008, 03:50 PM // 15:50

Bah no respawn in real life though

and energy regen takes ages!

MercenaryKnight · Jul 24, 2008, 09:46 PM // 21:46

So, I am just curious but wouldn't sabway + discordway (sorry I don't really even know much about it so I am just calling it that) combined be a good combination?

I play a lot of general harder areas, with my friend and she always uses sabway, so I generally have to try and think of a few builds that goes along with it. I usually end up going with a ranger broad head arrow interrupter, savannah heat, splinter weapon, ancestor's fire e/rt and the n/mo word of healing/ protection healer.

But it seems like, I could get a lot better mileage if I went and slapped on 2 more necro's and combined discord's damage with utilities, to the sabway build for harder areas.

I was just wondering, if anyone had any ideas about whether this would be a good idea or not? Since then all the heroes would get bonus from the sabway mm and near infinite energy.

Washi · Jul 24, 2008, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight

So, I am just curious but wouldn't sabway + discordway combined be a good combination?

Sure. But I think 6 discord heroes would make a better team. With sabway + discord you can face a situation when ss'ed monster dies within 3 seconds making your elite hex pretty useless.

MercenaryKnight · Jul 24, 2008, 11:27 PM // 23:27

Just curious then, if you could advise on a 6 discord necro team? Since to me, I figured combining around maybe 4 discord heroes then the Jagged Bones bomber, and Weapon of remedy healer of sab's would help keep up some of the defense. Along with the curser still having enfeebling blood and maybe shadow of fear with discord elite.

My only fear, is if we go for too much damage we can be overwhelmed in some hard mode missions or dungeons etc.

DarkSpirit · Jul 24, 2008, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight

My only fear, is if we go for too much damage we can be overwhelmed in some hard mode missions or dungeons etc.

You dont have to worry too much about that because your main attack spell would just be Discord. Besides the necessary hexes and condition inflicting skills to support Discord, you dont really need other damage skills.

This means you can fill half their skill bars, for all 6 heroes, with heals/protects if you wish. Furthermore, there is also a MM in standard Discordway for the meat shields. Personally, I find that Discordway can accomodate more healing than standard sabway, if you choose to.

I am at work now, so I cant post my 6-heroes Discord build until later but that is essentially it.

NuclearDope · Jul 25, 2008, 12:27 AM // 00:27

You know, i really didn't believe this would work as well as everyone is saying, i decided to try it today, not only do i feel as safe as with Sabway (still run around aggroing like hell) but the damage output is insane.
I h/h'd Dzagonur HM with no problems if a group went to a defense i wasn't near i ran over (while aggro'd with plenty of enemies, and wiped out the group in seconds.)

Also, is a lot of fun for me, placing conditions and hexes then watching their health bar go from 90% to 5% in a second or two is awesome.

Recommended.

MercenaryKnight · Jul 25, 2008, 12:41 AM // 00:41

My main idea, would be to probably keep the jagged bones minion bomber from sab's build, as the only character without discord. Since, the jagged bones will help keep a few meat shields up between battles along with blood of the master. Also, since bone minions die quickly atleast after they die, instead of waiting for an enemy to die and spawn 2 more minions a jagged horror will pop up and hopefully keep the aggro a bit. I also, have my own necro with a sup death rune and have him bring animate shambling horror (the jagged horror on death one). Also going to test out malign intervention, as a cheap spammable hex for whenever enemies have healers. Plus an extra soulreaping bonus when the masterless horror dies can't be too bad.

I haven't been able to try it out, but later i'll probably try doing a hm mission with it and find out. Maybe warband of brothers or something.

[heal1;OAhjUoGYITxMKgTOSTDTUbVVJXA]
[heal2;OAhjUoGYITxMKgEPTOSTDTVVJXA]
[death;OANEUshd9JFzoAqHcUVPEQY0UVB]

The healer's pretty much copied off of discordway, the one death's necro is to go along with a minion bomber. Also, friend's healer will bring life spirit so I just put in vengeful weapon just incase. Maybe if physical is a problem sub it out for weapon of warding or resilient weapon.

I also don't know if all the heroes will be attempting to put putrid bile on the same enemy, but I know they never stack hexes so as long as they just all don't cast it at the same time it should be up for just about every kill you'll try to make hopefully.

DarkSpirit · Jul 25, 2008, 01:54 AM // 01:54

Not enough conditions, just relying on bleeding from a jagged attacking the called target is not a good idea. No conditions = no discord.

MercenaryKnight · Jul 25, 2008, 03:37 AM // 03:37

My condition (you move like a dwarf) as well as enfeebling blood and perhaps weaken armor on a partner curse variation will also be giving the conditions. My personal build, was based on 6 necro's and I just haven't figured out quite yet what I was going to do with my partner's builds.

But yeah, obviously their will be aoe conditions somewhere, as well as personal conditions from our own human builds.

Also, going to have her bringing assassin's promise and vanguard assassin support (maybe arcane echo it depending on what she wants to do) with her own copy of finish him as well as one on my character.

So at the very least, beginning spike down will be you move like a dwarf, 2 assassins, 2 copies of finish him and necro's discord.

Shayne Hawke · Jul 25, 2008, 04:12 AM // 04:12

The Discord setup looks more oriented to casters that can cast their own conditions/hexes on a target and let the heroes clean house.

Since I play Ranger, I don't have that option so much. Sabway works just fine for me.

DarkSpirit · Jul 25, 2008, 09:01 AM // 09:01

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

The Discord setup looks more oriented to casters that can cast their own conditions/hexes on a target and let the heroes clean house.

Since I play Ranger, I don't have that option so much. Sabway works just fine for me.

There are many different customized versions of Discordway, some are more universal than others. A build can choose to bring the conditions on the player characters, but in doing that, the posted build becomes less self-contained because it restricts the skill bars of the players that can use the hero build.

Turbobusa · Jul 25, 2008, 09:04 AM // 09:04

With a ranger you can drop some condition spells and replace them by quick recharge hexes. You can bring BHA + epidemic which gets you AoE daze + minion wall + sick damage and healing.

rick1027 · Jul 25, 2008, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

The Discord setup looks more oriented to casters that can cast their own conditions/hexes on a target and let the heroes clean house.

Since I play Ranger, I don't have that option so much. Sabway works just fine for me.

actually it was with my ranger that i tried the discord for the first time with and having used sabway with my ranger til them. it surpirised me how fast things went down i just modified my ranger build just slightly just to put a hex on it and things dropped and fast i vanquished areas id already done with sabway in about half the time. the thing i think to do if you want to apply the conditions let a hero do a little hexing the build incorporate so much healing it really isnt needed

MercenaryKnight · Jul 25, 2008, 08:21 PM // 20:21

The only problem I can think of, is giving heroes too many hexes/ conditions may cause them to waste time casting those instead of using the discord for damage. But, that's where a few copies of putrid bile could come in handy at the very least (hex wise). A hero with enfeebling blood and perhaps shadow of fear or weaken armor could also spread conditions.

But I think any character can make the build work. As was said in the imbagon with discord thread. Go /assassin and use assassin's promise, you move like a dwarf, finish him and whatever else you want. Just bring a high energy staff if your a low energy character (paragon or warrior).

Existance · Jul 27, 2008, 12:52 PM // 12:52

i was running 2 ppl + 6 hero build with my friend using discord. We been doing some doa with it on NM. So far finished City and Gloom without much prob. We tried foundry - done it till Fury spawned but then we died due to unprepaired (i didnt know where or when they gonna spawnand we had been all balled up like nubs - thx wiki for no info) - but its for sure possible to do - we didnt use even 1 consumable there. We got prob in veil with hungers and fiends during first quest as they got life steal and intrupts - any ideas how to beat those nasty things without changing build that much? We playing mesmer and paragon with save urself.

MercenaryKnight · Jul 28, 2008, 04:42 AM // 04:42

The only minor problem with the build. Is that when your being pressured and all your character's health is dropping. All the ai will pretty much drop every single protective was kaolai at the same time. So you get healed minimal amount and then not a single npc has a pot for the next bit of damage.

Turbobusa · Jul 28, 2008, 07:37 AM // 07:37

You shouldn't wait for the next big damage to come.
Discord focusses on killing, and dead things don't do damage.