Curse

DarkSpirit · Jul 17, 2008, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by Washi

wow... this is some retarded statement. What is sabway in your opinion? For me it's SS necro, MB, and N/Rt healer. That's it, no fixed builds, it's a concept. You can change most of the skills on the bars, it encourages creative thinking cause there is so much you can do. And you say like it's ursan.

And what is racway in your opinion? For me it's paragon shouts, and orders. That's it, no fixed builds, it's a concept. You can change most of the skills on the bars too, it encourages creative thinking cause there is so much you can do. And you say like it's ursan.

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You are so glued to this "synergy" you talk about but you fail to understand that Racway is worse than sabway in most difficult areas. I will not agree that it's as flexible, far from it. I played many hours using both concepts, adjusting and testing and from my experience Necros are superior in most cases, that's it.

And what makes you think a necro can't be used in Racway? Are there necro skills involved? Definitely. Rac even posted his N/Rt build to replace the D/N in his long thread, for certain difficult areas.

Washi · Jul 17, 2008, 09:04 PM // 21:04

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

And what is racway in your opinion? For me it's paragon shouts, and orders. That's it, no fixed builds, it's a concept. You can change most of the skills on the bars too, it encourages creative thinking cause there is so much you can do. And you say like it's ursan.

You totally didnt understand what I was refering to (probably on purpose), cause I never said racway is not a concept, I even said I used both concepts. I'm tired with this offtopic so I'll end it with this post.

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

And what makes you think a necro can't be used in Racway? Are there necro skills involved? Definitely. Rac even posted his N/Rt build to replace the D/N in his long thread, for certain difficult areas.

I was thinking necros vs paragons, not necro vs dervish.

Ontopic, for me it's Sabway > Discordway if you go with henchies.
If you go with 6 heroes then it's Discordway > Sabway + Racway (although both teams are extremely powerful)

DarkSpirit · Jul 17, 2008, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by Washi

You totally didnt understand what I was refering to (probably on purpose), cause I never said racway is not a concept, I even said I used both concepts. I'm tired with this offtopic so I'll end it with this post.

Like I said in an earlier post on this thread, I still dont see why you would consider sabway to be tweakable and flexible while racway to be inflexible. Racway seems to be as tweakable to me.

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I was thinking necros vs paragons, not necro vs dervish.

If you think that bringing 2 Paragon heroes is too limiting then feel free to replace them. I have also tried a variant that swaps out one of the Paragons with an Ele and bringing ToF on the other Paragon. Nobody says you cant change the Paragons.

Furthermore, saying that you use sabway (which most people use) is not going to lend any credence to your earlier statement that you like tweaking builds, and you also have not explained how you have tweaked sabway (if you did) to work better with your paragon, after so many posts.

Nainoa · Jul 18, 2008, 02:30 AM // 02:30

Darkspirit, you're always in some argument on these forums. Got anything better to do?

DarkSpirit · Jul 18, 2008, 04:23 AM // 04:23

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Originally Posted by Nainoa

Darkspirit, you're always in some argument on these forums. Got anything better to do?

If there is no arguments then forums would be dead. Having different people with different points of view is what makes an interesting forum.

Unless you want to vote for a forum King in which everyone MUST bow down and agree with on ALL matters (i.e. guild wars and otherwise), no matter what. When that happens I would leave the forums and the rest of you can all be in a state of "perfect agreement" forever.

And make it so that only the forum King can start a thread and all posts within it must be in total agreement otherwise that poster is perm banned. All will be in agreement, but the forums would probably be quite dead.

AcousticMeanie · Jul 18, 2008, 05:30 AM // 05:30

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Originally Posted by R Langdon

Does a paragon have to play a imbagon? Can i have a little variety?
Where did I say there IS a best possible choice for an imbagon team? An Imbagon can maintain AR alone without help, so i don't need the other paras around. Is the Paragon class that limited that it can only play Imbagon or be part of a Rac'way team?

To be honest, 99% of the game can be done without the use of TnTF or SY.
Ever wonder why we have so many heros? It adds variety. Which is what I am seeking. This is a thread where we are discussing Discord teams right?

Thx for the people that did offer some insight into Paragon + Discord Nec's

p.s. I never said I was an Imbagon. I said I played a paragon.

Paragon != Imbagon.

DarksSpirit, did you even read this? You're repeating yourself when you've already been told you're not helping.

Back on topic

I tried your Discord team dark and it worked fairly well. Only had two minor issues with it.

The Healer N/Rt seems to spend way too much time [Rotting Flesh]. They seem to want to spam it and the 3 second cast is just too long IMO without another strong healer.

The other being the lack of at least one [Putrid Bile] on the main three setup

Other than that not bad

DarkSpirit · Jul 18, 2008, 05:42 AM // 05:42

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Originally Posted by AcousticMeanie

DarksSpirit, did you even read this? You're repeating yourself when you've already been told you're not helping.

Did you even read my reply to that? I am too lazy to repeat it again for people who dont read.

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Back on topic

I tried your Discord team dark and it worked fairly well. Only had two minor issues with it.

The Healer N/Rt seems to spend way too much time [Rotting Flesh]. They seem to want to spam it and the 3 second cast is just too long IMO without another strong healer.

The other being the lack of at least one [Putrid Bile] on the main three setup

Other than that not bad

They shouldn't be spamming it, if the target is already diseased.

AcousticMeanie · Jul 18, 2008, 06:11 AM // 06:11

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

Did you even read my reply to that? I am too lazy to repeat it again for people who dont read.

I had already read it...now keep following the thread and watch as evolution fails us and you revert directly back to the exact same arguments.

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

They shouldn't be spamming it, if the target is already diseased.

Open up the hero window and watch it. There are lots of things heroes "should do" but that by no means ensures they will.

Darkside · Jul 18, 2008, 06:16 AM // 06:16

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Originally Posted by Washi

wow... this is some retarded statement. What is sabway in your opinion? For me it's SS necro, MB, and N/Rt healer. That's it, no fixed builds, it's a concept. You can change most of the skills on the bars, it encourages creative thinking cause there is so much you can do. And you say like it's ursan.

You are so glued to this "synergy" you talk about but you fail to understand that Racway is worse than sabway in most difficult areas. I will not agree that it's as flexible, far from it. I played many hours using both concepts, adjusting and testing and from my experience Necros are superior in most cases, that's it. I would really like to see someone breezing through slaver's or shards with racway, seriously that would make me thinking. Untill then I can't agree with you.

I agree with you Sabway is much easier to mess with and still be effective then rac's Paragons. I know I personally have tried both and I still use a variation of Sabway since its easier and just works better. I have about 5-6 different builds in my template folder for each nec depending on what kinda problems I might run into in a given area/mission.

As for Discordway...tried it and thought it was good enough to change my Jagged bones MB's elite to Discord, but that's about as far as that goes.

Antithesis · Jul 18, 2008, 07:09 AM // 07:09

Good topic. I've been out of the loop for a couple of months and a 6 Hero Discord team looks like worthwhile build.

DarkSpirit · Jul 18, 2008, 02:43 PM // 14:43

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

Good topic. I've been out of the loop for a couple of months and a 6 Hero Discord team looks like worthwhile build.

Welcome back! I miss reading your posts.

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Originally Posted by AcousticMeanie

I had already read it...now keep following the thread and watch as evolution fails us and you revert directly back to the exact same arguments.

Bah, not going to feed the trolls this time.

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Open up the hero window and watch it. There are lots of things heroes "should do" but that by no means ensures they will.

I always open up my hero window and they did not spam it when the target is already diseased. Although I agree that the 3s cast does seem long when targets are typically dying in about 5s.

You can try puting 5 ponits to curse and use weaken armor instead and see if that works better.

Teutonic Paladin · Jul 19, 2008, 03:12 AM // 03:12

I've found that using Enfeebling Blood and Weaken Armor (I play a warrior when I run discord) are alot easier to run and cheaper than Rotting. I run a hybrid Curse/Death, MM, and Death/Rt.

Carboplatin · Jul 19, 2008, 04:01 AM // 04:01

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Originally Posted by Teutonic Paladin

I've found that using Enfeebling Blood and Weaken Armor (I play a warrior when I run discord) are alot easier to run and cheaper than Rotting. I run a hybrid Curse/Death, MM, and Death/Rt.

oh no. a warrior running discord. better becareful, you might get flamed because you are not allowed to run a discord team if you are not a necro.

Turbobusa · Jul 19, 2008, 08:54 AM // 08:54

^which is stupid since dismember is so cheap, you can get withering aura on you, and you can bring splinter weapon.
The first discord team I made included me as a warrior and it worked very well.

Dronte · Jul 19, 2008, 09:09 AM // 09:09

Discord >>> sabway, instant kills are fun.

Zamochit · Jul 19, 2008, 09:24 AM // 09:24

If there are two players and six heroes I would choose Discord every time. If you are in a situation where it is just you and Hero/Hench and your primary is not Necromancer then Discord loses a great deal of its effectiveness imho.

Drage · Jul 19, 2008, 11:48 AM // 11:48

indeed, you need imo atleast 4 necro's to let it run well. If you're with only hero/hench, Sabway is better, but when your with 2 humans, Discord is the right way.

rick1027 · Jul 19, 2008, 01:59 PM // 13:59

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Originally Posted by Drage

indeed, you need imo atleast 4 necro's to let it run well. If you're with only hero/hench, Sabway is better, but when your with 2 humans, Discord is the right way.

actually ive run it with an ele ranger and mesmer and necro and seen not that much of a difference

Bloodseeker · Jul 19, 2008, 02:40 PM // 14:40

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Originally Posted by Drage

indeed, you need imo atleast 4 necro's to let it run well. If you're with only hero/hench, Sabway is better, but when your with 2 humans, Discord is the right way.

thats not true at all , do you know how to play it? 3 necro's is enough as long as you deal damage too (Norn shouts and assa promise will do), it usually runs better than Sabway.

DarkSpirit · Jul 19, 2008, 03:18 PM // 15:18

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Originally Posted by Drage

indeed, you need imo atleast 4 necro's to let it run well. If you're with only hero/hench, Sabway is better, but when your with 2 humans, Discord is the right way.

Not true. Even my necro doesn't use Discord when running Discordway, she uses [[Assassin's Promise]. Which I find it to be more useful because of the skill recharge.

Here is a post showing screenshots of how my mesmer did it with Discordway. And it still kills faster than sabway, I know because my mesmer was using sabway for a long time, until recently.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...1&postcount=39

Discord was buffed AFTER sab posted her build, so it is a later generation of builds.