Curse

Hugh Manatee · Sep 05, 2008, 02:33 PM // 14:33

I have had good experiences with [Skull Crack] on Koss and other warriors/assassins(hero interrupt AI is insane, freakish and near 100% accurate), I have the idea of putting it on a D/W with [Mystic Corruption], maybe with [fleeting stability] and the [drunken blow] and [Desperation blow] with [grapple]... throw in 2 more cheap enchants maybe [heart of fury] and [zealous renewal]... kind of a KD-matic AoE interrupt/daze that lasts slightly longer then normal with some random conditions thrown in...

Richardt · Sep 05, 2008, 02:55 PM // 14:55

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Originally Posted by Turbobusa

Richardt, I think your third dervish will spend more time protting than sweeping his scythe. I don't think that's a good use of order if only one hero is actively abusing it.

I see your point, and it did cross my mind. In my testing last night (only did about half a vanq outside of Ventari's before I needed sleep) I wasn't able to see if that was the case-not enough damage coming through to really tell.

The order derv was an odd choice for me-I feel that build is a bit clunky and the only reason I included him was that I was being lazy. And my setup as is has no way of dealing with conditions or hexes (those Modniir like traps so the conditions was very very obvious). So I'm not sure, but I'm thinking in place of the necro skills of trying [[reversal of damage] and [[smite condition]/[[smite hex] depending on the area.

I'll have to do more tests when I get home from work.

Burst Cancel · Sep 05, 2008, 03:11 PM // 15:11

How's the AI on Wounding Strike now? I mostly gave up on melee dervish heroes because they didn't seem to mash WS when they needed to (i.e., their targets weren't DW'd).

They're okay with Reaper's Sweep since they trigger on the <50% condition, but WS is a better skill.

Turbobusa · Sep 05, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23

Well as you said they don't spam it on recharge on target with no DW. Hence having 2 WS. 3 would be too much, so I fit in reaper's sweep because as long as they use it as a damage skill, you win.

BTW don't use the dervish hench, he's got dust cloak doh.

eximiis · Sep 05, 2008, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Me as
[build prof=D/W name="WS/SY" box scythe=12+1+2 Myst=10+1 Wind=10+1][Wounding Strike][Mystic Sweep][Eremite's attack]["Save Yourselves"][Heart of Fury][Vow of Piety]["I Am Unstoppable"][Faithful Intervention][/build]

First heroe/Melonni
[build prof=D/Mo name="Arcane Smiter" box Myst=12+1+2 Wind=10+1 Smiting=10][Arcane Zeal][Smite Hex][Smite Condition][Reversal of Damage][Mystic Healing][Vow of Piety][Zealot's Fire][Faithful Intervention][/build]

Second heroe/Khamu
[build prof=D/Mo name="Arcane Prot" box Myst=12+1+2 Wind=10+1 Protection=10][Arcane Zeal][Protective Spirit][Aegis][Dismiss Condition][Extinguish][Vow of Piety][Watchful Intervention][Faithful Intervention][/build]

Third heroe/MoX
[build prof=D/N name="Arcane Order" box Myst=12+1+2 Wind=10+1 Blood=10][Arcane Zeal][Order of Pain][Dark Fury][Dwayna's Touch][Mystic Healing][Vow of Piety][Watchful Intervention][Faithful Intervention][/build]

All 4 dervish will benefit from all the enchantments. Synergy is the same as in Sabway. Almost infinit energy to spam high energy spells.

Imagine all the 38 flying everywhere

*just for the fun. imagine A-Net give us 7 heroes !!

Fourth heroe/Master of Whisper
[build prof=N/Mo name="MM Bomber" box Soul=9+1 Death=12+1+1 Protection=9][Animate Bone Minions][Jagged Bones][Death Nova][Blood of the Master][Foul Feast][Signet of Lost Souls][Aegis][Remove Hex][/build]

Fifth heroe/Olias
[build prof=N/Rit name="SS Channelign" box Soul=9+1 Curses=12+1+1 Channeling=9][Spiteful Spirit][Reckless Haste][Enfeebling Blood][Barbs][Rip Enchantment][Signet of Lost Souls][Splinter Weapon][Flesh of my Flesh][/build]

Sixth heroe/Livia
[build prof=N/Rit name="Resto Healer" box Soul=12+1+1 Restoration=12][Xinrae's Weapon][Vengeful Weapon][Mend Body and Soul][Spirit Light][Life][Signet of Lost Souls][Protective Was Kaolai][Flesh of my Flesh][/build]

Seventh heroe/Gwen
[build prof=Mesmer/Mo name="Interupt Mesmer" box Fast=8+1 Domination=11+1+1 Inspiration=10+1][Tease][Cry of Frustration][Power Spike][Power Drain][Power Return][Hex Eater Signet][Drain Enchantment][Resurrection Chant][/build]

Can you say Gooood Synergy !!!!

Uber Healing coming from [Vow of Piety]
Plenty of interupts
Protection is quite good
Damage output is pretty high.
Anti-Melee aka [Spiteful Spirit]

Darkside · Sep 05, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel

How's the AI on Wounding Strike now? I mostly gave up on melee dervish heroes because they didn't seem to mash WS when they needed to (i.e., their targets weren't DW'd).

They're okay with Reaper's Sweep since they trigger on the <50% condition, but WS is a better skill.

They seem ok with it as long as you put a stupid enchant like faithful intervention on their bar so that they are enchanted at all times to get the benefit from wounding strike. I tried running other more useful enchants but unless you micro (and I'm way to lazy to do that) they don't bother to enchant themselves. Perhaps running some kinda /E with a conjure would be good since it has such a long duration.

aka Easy · Sep 06, 2008, 12:56 PM // 12:56

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Originally Posted by eximiis

Third heroe/MoX
[build prof=D/N name="Arcane Order" box Myst=12+1+2 Wind=10+1 Blood=10][Arcane Zeal][Order of Pain][Dark Fury][Dwayna's Touch][Mystic Healing][Vow of Piety][Watchful Intervention][Faithful Intervention][/build]

All 4 dervish will benefit from all the enchantments. Synergy is the same as in Sabway. Almost infinit energy to spam high energy spells.

Dark fury could be replaced with something in my opinion. Only one adrenaline skill in all 8 bars makes Dark Fury seem a waste. Maybe blood renewal would be an option since i hardly see any AZ dervish hero keeping up two orders at once.

MercenaryKnight · Sep 06, 2008, 08:31 PM // 20:31

Just curious for the people actually trying to get their dervish heroes using scythe damage have you had any luck with setting them to aggressive and being able to switch targets while they hopefully stay on their own targets?

Or do they still run like headless chickens to attack which ever enemy your attacking?

Teutonic Paladin · Sep 06, 2008, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight

Just curious for the people actually trying to get their dervish heroes using scythe damage have you had any luck with setting them to aggressive and being able to switch targets while they hopefully stay on their own targets?

Or do they still run like headless chickens to attack which ever enemy your attacking?

Target lock fixes this problem

MercenaryKnight · Sep 06, 2008, 09:26 PM // 21:26

Too lazy to make a hero work by target locking every single enemy just so I can spread conditions/ focus on killing others. Thus a major flaw in melee ai.

Striken7 · Sep 07, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight

Too lazy to make a hero work by target locking every single enemy just so I can spread conditions/ focus on killing others. Thus a major flaw in melee ai.

Too lazy to click a button every once in a while? I don't think it's the AI that's flawed in this case...

-Lotus- · Sep 07, 2008, 09:19 PM // 21:19

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Originally Posted by Striken7

Too lazy to click a button every once in a while? I don't think it's the AI that's flawed in this case...

thats not what he said. he dosnt want to lock the target for every melee hero every time they need to attack. and he shouldnt have to.

eximiis · Sep 08, 2008, 02:14 PM // 14:14

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Originally Posted by aka Easy

Dark fury could be replaced with something in my opinion. Only one adrenaline skill in all 8 bars makes Dark Fury seem a waste. Maybe blood renewal would be an option since i hardly see any AZ dervish hero keeping up two orders at once.

Imo Dark Fury is the key skill in the build. It keep my SY up all time which makes my team Invincible ! and a bonus enchantement for all the dervish (4e each 5 seconds.)