Curse

Brian the Gladiator · Sep 24, 2008, 09:50 PM // 21:50

I read the sab-way thread and skimmed through the countless posts which followed and noticed that there was discussion that sab-way was very effective in HM but lacked damage in NM compared to other options. People then proceeded to discuss the option of 3 Necros with Discord being more viable for general PvE in NM. However, It was unclear to me what the builds actually were. I see there is a post for a 6 hero discord build but what about the 3 hero + hench?

I was wondering if anyone knew a good 3 hero discord team that worked the best in a "You + 3 Heroes + 4 hench" 8 man team.

Likewise, what works best in a "You + 3 heroes" 4-man team?
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EDIT:

Thank you for all the help so far. I have used Sab-way in NM a lot and if there is something better and more efficient, then I would like to know it. That is why I started this thread. I didn't make it so I could hear people say, "Sab-way works fine in NM. Just use it and you will do fine." I know this already. I want to know what works best.

I have heard discord teams are better than standard Sab-way. I haven't not found this to be true and I want to know what is wrong with my discord team in comparison to those that have had success.
My discord team:

Player 1: Necromancer/Ritualist

- Discord {E}
- Shadow of Fear
- Enfeebling Blood
- Barbs
- Rip Enchantment
- Spirit Light
- Protective Was Kaolai
- Rejuvenation

Death Magic: 10+1+1
Soul Reaping: 8+1
Curses: 11+1
Restoration Magic: 8

Player 2: Necromancer/Monk

- Discord {E}
- Animate Bone Minions
- Death Nova
- Blood of the Master
- Dwayna's Sorrow
- Protective Spirit
- Aegis
- Signet of Lost Souls

Death Magic: 12+3+1
Soul Reaping: 8+1
Protection Prayers: 9
Healing Prayers: 5

Player 3: Necromancer/Ritualist

- Discord {E}
- Rotting Flesh
- Foul Feast
- Mend Body and Soul
- Protective Was Kaolai
- Life
- Signet of Lost Souls
- Death Pact Signet

Death Magic: 12+1+1
Soul Reaping: 8+1
Restoration Magic: 10

Tell me what is wrong here. The attributes could definitely be a problem seeing as I just kind of pulled them out of nowhere.

When I used Sab-way, I brought the earth ele, fire ele, warrior, and heal monk henchie, like the guide suggests. I had no problems defensively with this setup.

When I use Discord-way, should I bring the same henchmen with me or should I use 2 monk henchies because I don't have a dedicated N/Rt Healer?

Cathode_Reborn · Sep 24, 2008, 10:06 PM // 22:06

There's no "set" Discord build. Everyone that runs it kinda has their own version with minor tweaks. What I normally run when I H/H is is 2 N/Rt's and 1 N/Mo. Build code isn't workin so I'm too lazy to post it

Because of Discord's double req, it's alot easier for casters to run 3 Discord heroes. x/A with Assassin's Promise and some PvE skills is insane combined with them - Makes it easy to meet the req and lets you pump out massive damage since stuff like "Finish Him" will constantly be recharged by AP. That's what I use when I'm running Discord heroes on my nec.

Both builds work fine for HM. "Sabway" is good, but doesn't come close to being better. It does alot less damage compared to what 3 Discords can do. AP is alot more unreliable in a Sabway team since it has almost no direct damage.

If you are running a phys class, Asuran Scan is a great hex to use with Discord.

Shayne Hawke · Sep 24, 2008, 10:08 PM // 22:08

Here is the PvX Discord build. To be honest, I don't know why you'd just continue to use Sabway, since it's still effective in NM.

majikmajikmajik · Sep 25, 2008, 12:42 AM // 00:42

ppl think their is better options in nm becuz sabs is almost a defensive play, just try 3 sf ele and henches for nm and you steam roll it.

FyrFytr998 · Sep 25, 2008, 03:20 AM // 03:20

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Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator

I read the sab-way thread and skimmed through the countless posts which followed and noticed that there was discussion that sab-way was very effective in HM but lacked damage in NM compared to other options. People then proceeded to discuss the option of 3 Necros with Discord being more viable for general PvE in NM. However, It was unclear to me what the builds actually were. I see there is a post for a 6 hero discord build but what about the 3 hero + hench?

I was wondering if anyone knew a good 3 hero discord team that worked the best in a "You + 3 Heroes + 4 hench" 8 man team.

Likewise, what works best in a "You + 3 heroes" 4-man team?

If this thread already exists I apologize.

Edit: skill icons don't seem to be displaying on my computer. Is this problem on my end or is it a problem with GWGuru?

Umm.....Sabway rolls NM just the same as HM. I would know because all I play is NM. I'm not saying one os better than the other, but any time you got 10 minions and Barbs running it's pretty much GG.

A question I've always had about NM Sabway is do I drop the N/Rt healer or a henchie healer?

daze · Sep 25, 2008, 07:13 AM // 07:13

you could run 2 mending wammos and a firestorm W/E and burn through NM

No but seriously. Discord is a very versitle build. each hero bar takes only 3-4 skills to make discord effective.. the rest of the skills you can add to utility or support.

Each hero should be set with something like this... Now depending on your main character will determine how many hex/conditions your heroes need... When i run a Water hex ele, i dont need to take so many hexes on my heros. When i run air ele or derv, i don't need to take so many conditions on my heroes.

In NM it may be fun to have 3 sets of minions since you will be killing super fast. It may be fun to see 30 minions mobbing around.

N/Mo Death mag 12+1+1, soul reaping 10+1, protection 8
[discord][signet of lost souls][animate shambling horror][death nova][putrid bile][aegis][protective spirit][RES OF SOME SORT]
N/Mo Death mag 12+1+1, soul reaping 10+1, healying prayers 8
[discord][signet of lost souls][rising bile][animate bone minions][death nova][dwaynas sorrow][cure hex][RES OF SOME SORT]
N/RT death mag 11+1+1, soul reaping 8+1, curses 8+1, restoration 10 (something like that)
[discord][signet of lost souls][rip enchantments][enfeebling blood][rejuvenation][protective was kaolai][mend body and soul][death pact signet]

Just add monk henchie and necro henchie, and depending on which campaign you are in. maybe another utility henchie or 2

fireflyry · Sep 25, 2008, 08:34 AM // 08:34

Sabway is fine in NM.

I prefer elites like Jagged Bones and Icy Veins over Discordways point spread and in general find Sabway NM more effective.

The only significant difference is the power of your SS Necro due to the lower attack speed.Change that up with a N/E spammer or just change up your curses build.

In saying I run the exactly the same Sab build in both NM and HM, I leave SS in the build, and have yet to find fault.

Rothan Celt · Sep 25, 2008, 08:44 AM // 08:44

Sabway works fine in NM but it depends upon what version your running most peeps run there own with minor tweaks.

daze · Sep 25, 2008, 08:48 AM // 08:48

I agree that modified sabway is a better choice for NM just because you dont need tons of armor ignoring spike damage. Properly placed SS should be more than enough to clear the hardest NM areas. Just back off on the sabway defense a bit and add some more oomf

Turbobusa · Sep 25, 2008, 09:17 AM // 09:17

I'd stick with eles in NM, their spells aren't affected by armor as much as in HM.

By rolling sabway/discord in NM you'd kill just as fast as in HM, whereas you should be killing faster...