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XkristoferX · Oct 01, 2008, 05:06 PM // 17:06

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Originally Posted by BenC777

wtb new ideas.

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Discordway with 6 hero nercos + 2 human players = awesome

/congrats

Super Igor · Oct 02, 2008, 04:59 PM // 16:59

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

Only 1 spirit (i.e. Life which has a lifespan of 20s maxed), without it Spirit Light would sac and MBaS would lose condition removal. You can do better than that with 6 heroes. Only 2 res?

Well, those spells are just for healing, life sac isnt a big deal and mbas condition removal effect isnt primary in the team, main thing that removes conditions is foul/infuse. also the rezzes, you seriously dont need one on every character, theres dps on ss to keep it dp at low levels, and fomf on the resto for ressing chains if needed, also might put veng on the bomber, but really, are you going to die a lot with this? probably not, unless you are being really really bad. =]

DarkSpirit · Oct 02, 2008, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Well, those spells are just for healing, life sac isnt a big deal and mbas condition removal effect isnt primary in the team, main thing that removes conditions is foul/infuse. also the rezzes, you seriously dont need one on every character, theres dps on ss to keep it dp at low levels, and fomf on the resto for ressing chains if needed, also might put veng on the bomber, but really, are you going to die a lot with this? probably not, unless you are being really really bad. =]

Like I have said, none of these are build breaking but just not optimal.

Having the healer sac 17% health everytime she uses Spirit Light may or may not kill her, but it is definitely a negative especially when things are going south and Life is killed (i.e. your skill is still recharging). MBaS can be a very powerful spell with 90+ heals and multiple condition removal with only 5e and fast recharge. Get rid its condition removal capability and it is just a nice 5e heal, a little lower than patient spirit. Not build breaking but definitely sub optimal.

Having just 2 res out of the 6 heroes? Same thing. If one or both of the res holders die, and your 2 human characters do not bring any res then they remain dead, even when the rest of the party members survived. Note also that one of the res holders is using DPS, so after using it to res someone in combat, she has at least twice the probability of dying.

Super Igor · Oct 02, 2008, 09:19 PM // 21:19

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

Like I have said, none of these are build breaking but just not optimal.

Having the healer sac 17% health everytime she uses Spirit Light may or may not kill her, but it is definitely a negative especially when things are going south and Life is killed (i.e. your skill is still recharging). MBaS can be a very powerful spell with 90+ heals and multiple condition removal with only 5e and fast recharge. Get rid its condition removal capability and it is just a nice 5e heal, a little lower than patient spirit. Not build breaking but definitely sub optimal.

Having just 2 res out of the 6 heroes? Same thing. If one or both of the res holders die, and your 2 human characters do not bring any res then they remain dead, even when the rest of the party members survived. Note also that one of the res holders is using DPS, so after using it to res someone in combat, she has at least twice the probability of dying.

Well, with so much healing, I dont think that 12% sac is so dangerous tbh, besides I dont even get what spirit to use...recup? No need imho. Recov? Hmm, maybe but instead of?

As for rezzes maybe urrite, could fit vengeance on the bomber and fomf instead of defile defenses on the sv...wait...ask someone to do it that is, if I do it it would be ban avoiding lulz. XD Sucks that bbc code is borked.

Anyway, ur gud, so give me moar suggestions. =]

DarkSpirit · Oct 02, 2008, 11:07 PM // 23:07

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Well, with so much healing, I dont think that 12% sac is so dangerous tbh, besides I dont even get what spirit to use...recup? No need imho. Recov? Hmm, maybe but instead of?

It is 17% sac on Spirit Light without a Spirit within earshot, not 12%. Life has a lifespan of 20s (if it is left alone and not killed before that) and a recharge of 20s. This means if Life is killed, you would be in recharge cycle and there would be no Spirit around.

Even the 3-necro version of discordway at pvx has 2 spirits (Life and Recovery), so I expected a 6-necro build to be able to accomodate at least 2 spirits. With 2 spirits, MBaS also removes 2 conditions per cast, on top of the nice heal, all for only 5e. Like you said, with your FF+Infuse condition that may not matter much. But if your minions get wiped by AoE, that would help.

Turbobusa · Oct 03, 2008, 05:14 AM // 05:14

I run one spirit all the time, never had any problems with livia saccing too much.
Sure 2 spirits means 2 conditions off mbas, but heroes are smart enough not to cast spirit light too much with life down.

Miska Bow · Oct 03, 2008, 12:56 PM // 12:56

A fix team build to do all campaign will never be optimum. you need to adust according to what you are killing.

What you posted is a good team build (might need a tweak or 2) but its a good team build.

The FAIL part of your post is the part where you take credit. Make me think of you as this:

Super Igor · Oct 03, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by Miska Bow

The FAIL part of your post is the part where you take credit. Make me think of you as this:

And who should take the credit for posting and putting it together, you? :P

Super Igor · Oct 25, 2008, 12:31 PM // 12:31

Bump

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upier · Oct 25, 2008, 12:52 PM // 12:52

When you need to bump it yourself - there is probably a reason for it ...

Super Igor · Oct 25, 2008, 12:55 PM // 12:55

I want fame :O

upier · Oct 25, 2008, 01:08 PM // 13:08

I think self-bumping your own threads actually gets you banned on Guru.
Besides - it's just a poor variation of the builds discussed here:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10315920
so I guess this should be called Washi-way (which is actually INSANELY catchy!).

Super Igor · Oct 25, 2008, 01:10 PM // 13:10

Poor? It blows stuff, and doesnt have loads of random shit in it.

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Omg, that is a poor variation of discordway you showed me, this is not discordway...l2readkthx.

payne · Oct 25, 2008, 01:22 PM // 13:22

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Poor? It blows stuff, and doesnt have loads of random shit in it.

*edit*

Omg, that is a poor variation of discordway you showed me, this is not discordway...l2readkthx.

well there is a good reason no1 is posting...

also insulting ppl for no good reason by saying (read the bold part)
typing in "leet" speak doesn't help your cause

but there is no point claiming fame for a ok cookie-cutter build when you clearly didn't create it....

and anyway with two ppl you can run so much better without any necros in the entire team

as you like to put: kthxbainubnesslrn2rea

Super Igor · Oct 25, 2008, 01:26 PM // 13:26

What pisses me off in this forum is how much you spam your fave word, "cookie-cutter". Whats not cookie cutter? Oh yes, take a good, efficient build, chuck loads of useless shit in the and call it "original", not cookie cutter amirite? And why are you making so much fuss out of fame bit? Thread is about the build, l2read.

payne · Oct 25, 2008, 01:59 PM // 13:59

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

What pisses me off in this forum is how much you spam your fave word, "cookie-cutter". Whats not cookie cutter? Oh yes, take a good, efficient build, chuck loads of useless shit in the and call it "original", not cookie cutter amirite? And why are you making so much fuss out of fame bit? Thread is about the build, l2read.

yet again insulting people is not ever gonna get people to agree with you....

whats not cookie cutter?

me thinks heroes = duel sin and rit heroes are not cookie cutter meta....

anywho duel necro teams have been going since GWEM came out...most of them are just takes on old HA builds whilst discord while nice was not created by you so please don't try and take credit for something that obviously was not created by vou

kthxbail2readplzkthxnub <<<that make any sense to you? hope so 'cause I iz outta here

upier · Oct 25, 2008, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Poor? It blows stuff, and doesnt have loads of random shit in it.

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Omg, that is a poor variation of discordway you showed me, this is not discordway...l2readkthx.

Oh sorry - I just looked at the good stuff in your build and figured it was a Discord-way variation.
Just a a bit worse ... you know with stuff Heal Party when you already have 2 PwKs and Life, or Awaken/Spoil, or MoP/SS/Barbs on a hero, BwM, your suggestions for the player ritu/necro builds to goodies like having one of the few rezzes on the healer. Like ... the non-random shit.

Super Igor · Oct 26, 2008, 11:46 AM // 11:46

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Originally Posted by upier

Oh sorry - I just looked at the good stuff in your build and figured it was a Discord-way variation.

Actually, Necroway or Sabway if you like, was never a variant of discordway, just because it was run before discord was even buffed for starters.
I know that with Discordway you scrubs start to pretend Sab's never exsisted but it still exsists actually and thing is, you cant compare them.

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Just a a bit worse ... you know with stuff Heal Party when you already have 2 PwKs and Life, or Awaken/Spoil, or MoP/SS/Barbs on a hero, BwM, your suggestions for the player ritu/necro builds to goodies like having one of the few rezzes on the healer. Like ... the non-random shit.

I dont get what you mean, heal party is good against pressurebecause you can spam it on recharge with infinite energy, but it isnt good if uve just been hit by a dragon stomp and about to be bashed by something else, in that case you want to drop the ashes to give you anice very fast party heal and throw a woh on a badly hurt ally if needed, prot stuff, and wow/aegis stuff right after, heal party is just way too slow for the purpose. And honestly, prove me wrong, but I think you cant have enough party wide heal in pve, it is really very helpful.

I also dont get your argument against ss, do you want to prove that you ont understand concept behind sab's, that ss, mop, barbs is one of the things that bring the synergy together? You know, splinter'd minions bashing the target that has barbs and mop on it and also kills itself with ss (and sv). Awaken the blood is obvious too, you have a character that splits between curses (weakness and cracked armor) and blood, SV, that plays a great role in taking down healers n suff, has good synergy with low health minions and also provides utility for the party so, to make up for rather spread out attributes you have awaken that makes SV more powerful and gives a bit more lengh to weaknesses/cracked.

As for player builds, yeah, some are random, but that means you can take any build and win really, LOL, they make you autopilot.

upier · Oct 26, 2008, 01:30 PM // 13:30

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

As for player builds, yeah, some are random, but that means you can take any build and win really, LOL, they make you autopilot.

The best thing about The Splinter SS is Splinter/AR/Reckless.
Everything else requires a bit of microing. And if you aren't going to micro it - then there are better options.

The Utility SV.
Weaken/Enfeebling run superbly well with only a few points in Curses. That's there is no need for Awaken. Especially since Enfeebling requires sacrifice.
SV - once again - a micro spell. Discord would do pretty much the same thing - just more auto-pilot-y.
WoW is sweet.

Which means that one could nicely throw all the good skills of these two guys onto ONE necro. Splinter/AR/Reckless/Enfeebling/Weaken.
The left over necro can then go as a Discord dude - with monk secondary for Aegis (dump PS on him from the healer/possibly a second SoA).
Ench removal on these two guys.

There is absolutely no reason for the Bomber to have 13 in SR while also having 2 e-management options. This would be a superb character to bring that third Aegis on.

Discord Hybrid.
Since you are already running Minions - I really don't see the point in running additional melee minions - and I especially don't see the point in wasting two slots on them.
With the Aegis chains, and the party wide healing from PwK and Life - this guy could go as a warder. Heck even something like mesmer interrupts and lovely things like AV/SV from the Illus line.
I mean you have nearly unlimited energy and all you want to do is waste it on Resto?
There is also no reason not to bring BotM.

(Like I said) I don't see the point in bringing one of the few rezzes on the Restorer. If the rez is disabled - that means it's going to be used after battles. In which case - I wouldn't bother with anything other then Rebirth.
If it's not disabled ... then let's just say you have a non-disabled rez on the party member that is supposed to keep you alive. And if he gets a chance to use that rez - meaning he ALREADY failed at his job.

Additional spirits wouldn't hurt.

Do heroes still dislike the use of Xinrae?

But then again - you could just run a bunch of physicals instead ...

Super Igor · Oct 26, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by upier

The best thing about The Splinter SS is Splinter/AR/Reckless.
Everything else requires a bit of microing. And if you aren't going to micro it - then there are better options.

Well, barbs and mop dont requre a lot of miroing because they cast it on the foe you start to attack or on the foe who has most things attacking it and that would be good enough no? Yes, you can micro it thogh, I dont see what scares you so much about it (lol, l2play?

) its not hard, I like microing, hence it will make things blow up epicly, but I have said Necorway, or sabs, is harder to run, thing is that both barbs and mop are really good spells that are key to necorway synergy (besides, SW triggers MoP).

Rest of the spells, reckless, no doubt a good spell, but you are taking it primerely to fuel damage from SS not really for damage reduction from mob's wanding. SW/AR, indeed great spells, what is more first has synergy with the hexes.

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The Utility SV.
Weaken/Enfeebling run superbly well with only a few points in Curses. That's there is no need for Awaken. Especially since Enfeebling requires sacrifice.
SV - once again - a micro spell. Discord would do pretty much the same thing - just more auto-pilot-y.
WoW is sweet.

No, no, no, SV is not a micro spell, it is fairly spammable, and no matter were it goes it would be very effective and again, micro it! Ok no problem if you micro it, it makes things better if you micro it on their healers, I saying it again, necorway is harder to run.

I do agree on awaken though, it originally had Defile defenses thingie, think it gonna be put back there or resurrect of a sort.

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Which means that one could nicely throw all the good skills of these two guys onto ONE necro. Splinter/AR/Reckless/Enfeebling/Weaken.
The left over necro can then go as a Discord dude - with monk secondary for Aegis (dump PS on him from the healer/possibly a second SoA).
Ench removal on these two guys.

Mmmm, no. And again, it isnt supposed to be discordway and you dont want to miss out SS, MoP, Barbs, SV.

And unless you havent spotted, there is a guy with soa, ps, and aegis allready, you dont need more copies of them.

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There is absolutely no reason for the Bomber to have 13 in SR while also having 2 e-management options. This would be a superb character to bring that third Aegis on.

Foul Feast, but I agree that there might not be a reason to take sols.

And, third aegis?! You smoke weed dude, there is absolutely no reason to have an aegis chain in pve, you are never going to spend more than 10 second in battle unless you suck or did something terribly wrong, and the cooldown time is all about running anyway when you shouldnt bother about the chain up.

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Discord Hybrid.
Since you are already running Minions - I really don't see the point in running additional melee minions - and I especially don't see the point in wasting two slots on them.
With the Aegis chains, and the party wide healing from PwK and Life - this guy could go as a warder. Heck even something like mesmer interrupts and lovely things like AV/SV from the Illus line.
I mean you have nearly unlimited energy and all you want to do is waste it on Resto?
There is also no reason not to bring BotM.

Theres no botm, also, minion wall is good.

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I wouldn't bother with anything other then Rebirth.

Dont. be. bad. :>