Curse

chris1234565 · Oct 26, 2008, 08:25 PM // 20:25

hi there i am currently starting to do hm stuff and i want to make a good hero way. to start with i have a mm and sh ele which are quite good but i need a healer with that and this is why i am here

what do you think would be better to use

n/rt heal
or
hb monk

Tyla · Oct 26, 2008, 08:27 PM // 20:27

N/Rt. Heroes can't manage energy well at all, and N/Rt makes a stronger healer in PvE. For protting, Monks win, but heroes can't manage energy or prot effectively.

I Will Heal You Ally · Oct 26, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Mo/Me_SoR_Protector

I think monks are nice when they have those two spells

... nice energy managment
and be careful with adding a weapon, add a staff and not a caster sword/axe

wind fire and ice · Oct 26, 2008, 10:01 PM // 22:01

use prots on the MM(prot spirit and aegis) and aegis on the ele also if possible,then use the N/RT.

-Lotus- · Oct 26, 2008, 10:45 PM // 22:45

N/rt

HB is a terrible, terrible build. anything pure healing is bad.

Tyla · Oct 26, 2008, 10:54 PM // 22:54

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Originally Posted by I Will Heal You Ally

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Mo/Me_SoR_Protector

I think monks are nice when they have those two spells

... nice energy managment
and be careful with adding a weapon, add a staff and not a caster sword/axe

SoD > SoR.

SoD is cheaper and also eases melee damage, and also wanding. (It adds up alot)

That bar also lacks Aegis, aswell as SoA. Oh, and RoF fails immensely on heroes. Same goes for SB.

Also, res shouldn't go on Monks. Rebirth is the only one that should even make it on a Monk bar, because the others are mid-battle resurrection skills, and even then you have a Monk of all people retreating.

The Meth · Oct 26, 2008, 11:34 PM // 23:34

Hench healers > Hero Healers.

You are so much better off taking heroes with damage dealing builds, if you need more then 2 healing henchies in PvE then you are doing something wrong.

Of course if you are running 2 players/6 heroes this doesn't apply, in which case I would say either take a n/rt healer or a rit channeling/restoration build. First is a bit more dependable and doesn't need micro, second needs a bit of micro but has stronger heals and splinter weapon.

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Originally Posted by I Will Heal You Ally

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Mo/Me_SoR_Protector
I think monks are nice when they have those two spells

... nice energy managment
and be careful with adding a weapon, add a staff and not a caster sword/axe

PvX is fail. A res on a monk, no real healing (regen doesn't count), and most of the prots the hero won't use right. At best it should rate a 2/5.

Super Igor · Oct 26, 2008, 11:54 PM // 23:54

N/Rt, hate Healers Boon on a hero.

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Originally Posted by The Meth

PvX is fail. A res on a monk, no real healing (regen doesn't count), and most of the prots the hero won't use right. At best it should rate a 2/5.

Sorry but, no u, go vote like that and it will be removed so you are most likely wrong also l2play & micro.

The Meth · Oct 27, 2008, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Sorry but, no u, go vote like that and it will be removed so you are most likely wrong also l2play & micro.

PvX is full of noobs and bad builds. Its a fact, sorry. For every decent person you have 10 other retards who push mediocre builds on everyone. Yes the build could be workable if you microed EVERY SINGLE SKILL, but that's not the point of heroes in PvE. There are dozens of other builds that will work far better with no micro at all, so why take the mediocre build?

The fact that its a healer with a res alone should be enough to take it down to 3/5, everyone with even a basic knowledge of guild wars should know that taking a res on a monk is stupid.

zelgadissan · Oct 27, 2008, 01:00 AM // 01:00

From PvX: "The SoR Protector uses the powerful elite skill Shield of Regeneration"

Massive lulz ensued.

Anyway, I'm not as opposed to monk heroes as everybody else, and I often bring Dunky me whenever I go anywhere. 99% of the time he's a WoH hybrid. That said, the power of Necro healers cannot be ignored, as Soul Reaping is just too powerful in PvE. From my experience N/Rt seems to be more effective than N/Mo.

About the only thing more fail than a player HB monk is a hero HB monk.

The Meth · Oct 27, 2008, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Originally Posted by zelgadissan

About the only thing more fail than a player HB monk is a hero HB monk.

What are you talking about? Heroes are just as good as players are at staring at red bars, and unlike the majority of HB PuG Monks they don't bitch and whine, don't go afk, and don't rage quit for <insert stupid reason here>.

zelgadissan · Oct 27, 2008, 02:03 AM // 02:03

^ The only way a hero will fail is if you give them the skills to fail, such as HB. A HB person can at least be made fun of for entertainment value, making them what I'd rather have in a party than a HB hero.

BlackSparrow · Oct 27, 2008, 02:05 AM // 02:05

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Originally Posted by The Meth

Hench healers > Hero Healers.

Only in NM. In high end HM, they would run dry of energy too quickly.

The Meth · Oct 27, 2008, 02:31 AM // 02:31

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Originally Posted by zelgadissan

^ The only way a hero will fail is if you give them the skills to fail, such as HB. A HB person can at least be made fun of for entertainment value, making them what I'd rather have in a party than a HB hero.

Damn, good point. You win. Zelgadissan: 1 Meth: 0

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Originally Posted by BlackSparrow

Only in NM. In high end HM, they would run dry of energy too quickly.

Funny, I vanquished all of HM h/h with my ranger, never taking a healing or protection hero of any kind. This was also before any of the stupid PvE skills made the game a joke, and I still found it rather easy. Either you are taking way too long to kill the enemies (Barring the usual imba skills, you are going to die eventually if you stick around too long with enemies who have all those HM buffs on you, make no mistake about that), or you don't use readily available debuffs.

Let me give you the secret to winning PvE: Enfeebling blood. Put it on a hero and laugh at enemies. Having lvl 30 enemies smack you around for an earth-shattering 40 damage is fun.

ALF71BE · Oct 27, 2008, 02:39 AM // 02:39

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Originally Posted by The Meth

Funny, I vanquished all of NM h/h with my ranger

O RLY?

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Let me give you the secret to winning PvE: Enfeebling blood. Put it on a hero and laugh at enemies. Having lvl 30 enemies smack you around for an earth-shattering 40 damage is fun.

Yeah rest is truth.

Tbh I let Mhenlo do the healing and bring a prot E/Mo with ER.

Works and I can usually aggro two groups and leech on my heroes.

Evil Eye · Oct 27, 2008, 04:05 AM // 04:05

I use necro/rit or hb monk with leech signet/power drain.

Daesu · Oct 27, 2008, 09:44 AM // 09:44

Hench healers just do not have the energy management to match a decent N/X hero. They dont even have any runes.

Vanquishing in PvE is easy enough, as long as you have consummables and patience, you can do it even with a not so good build.

Super Igor · Oct 27, 2008, 11:22 AM // 11:22

meh, sor is good pressure relief actually, but meh, I agree on N/Rt bit.

Turbobusa · Oct 27, 2008, 12:17 PM // 12:17

Since you aren't nice, I'll say HB monk.
with loads of heals.
I'd say at least 7. no rez. no emanagement.
That'll be perfect

Tyla · Oct 27, 2008, 01:08 PM // 13:08

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

meh, sor is good pressure relief actually, but meh, I agree on N/Rt bit.

The only thing it offers that would be useful to me one bit is the armour gain which can be accomplished and cheapened by SoD. You should be running at least one hard heal in your party anyway.