Curse

Masao · Nov 09, 2008, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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Originally Posted by Daesu

It looks like an instant kill to you because FH can only be used on enemies with already half or lower life anyway, while YMLAD doesn't have that serious limitation.

You honestly think I don't know how FH! works? In case you didn't read any of my posts, I obviously use YMLaD! to prep and FH! to finish.

FH! is invaluable because once you clear the first couple of mobs, everything is nearly at half health through minion damage anyway, so you can then prep with FH! or just use it for an instant kill.

FH! rolls mobs. It's that simple.

AtomicMew · Nov 10, 2008, 02:04 AM // 02:04

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Standing by my last post I won't feed the trolls.

Ding Ding Ding! And he's down for the count. He pulls a personnal attack, calling me a troll and doesn't even attempt to dispute the facts.

Also, Aegis IS a good idea for a monk.

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If your not playing any place hard with a lot of heavy physicals then aegis spamming is pointless. But when you need it, a monk can easily pull off casting ap, ymlad and aegis nonstop as long as you don't waste casts on other skills.

You need to learn to read, buddy....

I get a feeling you don't do much HM. Party wipes are very real possibility. Multiple AoE, multiple scythe attacks etc can insta-gib your party if you're not careful. You are not going to be running around with 30 minions in all areas.

daze · Nov 11, 2008, 05:27 AM // 05:27

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Originally Posted by traversc

"Note that I'm not even saying discordway + monk is bad - I'm just saying it's inferior, as monk primary brings nothing to the table compared to necro or even mesmer. Hence, you are forced to use **** like castigation signet."

I dont know, a monk could manage the hex/condition removal for the discord party. while still attaching AP, YMLaD, and Finish Him to the bar for the hex and condition primer. That would be helpful.

Im just trying to think of a way that a monk primary would be usefull on a discord team.

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Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight

Something is WRONG WITH YOU. 12 deadly arts, is 17 energy minus 5 from casting ap. Then 10 with you move like a dwarf. Is still a net worth of 2 energy.

You forgot the 4 pip energy regen over the time it takes takes to cast said skills.

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Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight

If you need additional energy management, besides assassin's promise you are doing something very wrong/ spamming too much.

And if you do like to spam your skills until your energy is dry, remember that you have 3 necros on your team who are very capable of bringing [[blood ritual] and it doesnt require that many points to spec. Ive been flamed for it, but i still use it because i see benefits and i like to spam sometimes.

[blood ritual] > Minions 21-30
[weapon of warding] > [blood ritual] = [weapon of warding] >> minions 21-30

but seriously
[blood ritual] > res on every hero.

AtomicMew · Nov 11, 2008, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by daze

I dont know, a monk could manage the hex/condition removal for the discord party. while still attaching AP, YMLaD, and Finish Him to the bar for the hex and condition primer. That would be helpful.
Im just trying to think of a way that a monk primary would be usefull on a discord team.

That's true, but heroes can manage hexes/condition since they can be N/mo. I think it's a hard argument to make that Necro primary for e-management is not the best option. Everything else can be covered by heroes and you don't have to sacrifice the e-management unnecessarily.

About BR: I usually take the necro henchman in EotN who has BR and sorta synergizes with discordway.

Super Igor · Nov 11, 2008, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Since you did ask for it, ill repeat my factual argument for why br is a good skill to bring. Because IT IS A SAFETY NET. Its good to be prepared and I like to be able to recharge my energy during the times that AP may miss its mark or during the times that i might have to do some extra spamming of MY bar in order to extinguish any extra pressure. But i dont expect you to understand it.

Yeah I dont understand why a non SF ele with attunement and AP would struggle with energy so either look at your playstyle or your build because your claim for br isnt relevant enough to spend a skill slot on. That is, you have 6-7 characters in your party who dont need br, and a character whos effect on the party doesnt have enough weight to be provided with a safety net making it a waste. Try upiers signet thingie, chances are it wont need any additional energy management giving you a possibility to fit a more usefull option into the bar.

If you were the only healer in the party, br would had some sense to it but an ele...

Generally about BR see nothing that make it synergize with guys who have limitless energy, waste of skill slot and nor I see how you ended up thinking that br is superior to a minion wall.

daze · Nov 12, 2008, 12:28 AM // 00:28

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Originally Posted by traversc

About BR: I usually take the necro henchman in EotN who has BR and sorta synergizes with discordway.

Same here, thats how i started getting accustomed to having [[blood ritual] on the team. I think all of the necro henchies from all campaigns carry it though. But when i stopped using henchies and started using my other account for more heroes, i kinda missed having BR around. It might seem like a waste of a skill slot because necro heroes manage their health very proficiently, but some people Fail to take into account that not all discord parties make up 8 necros. Its rare when i need an energy boost, but its good to have when i do need it so IMHO its not a waste because discord allows you to add different skills to it and still be effective.

And for those who like to add a monk henchie(among others) to the party, we all know how poor monks are at e-management. So really anybody who thinks BR is a horrible idea should uninstall their brain. I recommend jumping off a bridge.

Super Igor · Nov 12, 2008, 01:30 PM // 13:30

If you have trouble keeping your discord necroes at full energy check on soul reaping, herd it was real good or uninstall.