Curse

Fury Dilemma · Oct 21, 2008, 10:47 AM // 10:47

I have seen this many times.
The uber, ultimate, epic trio of three necromancers. However, I ask myself the question, 'What skills do they use?'.

Could someone please post or give me the link to the three builds that are used on these hero's.

Thanks a tonne!

-- Fury Dilemma

realtalk916 · Oct 21, 2008, 10:52 AM // 10:52

u mean sabway,

well basically its just, a healer rit necro, a jagged bomber MM, and a curses necro

realtalk916 · Oct 21, 2008, 10:54 AM // 10:54

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10292641

hope it helps

Numa Pompilius · Oct 21, 2008, 12:26 PM // 12:26

Sabway or, more recently, Discordway.
Discordway is basically a minionmaster and two N/Ri healers which spam restoration skills + Discord.
Discordway outperforms Sabway in situations where bodies are scarce and/or the opposition harder, otherwise they're pretty similar.

The basic mechanic for both builds is that soul reaping gives the necros infinite energy to spam skills (due to the constantly dying minions).

*Darcy* · Oct 21, 2008, 12:52 PM // 12:52

While Sab's 3-necro is the about the best general hero team build, there are many others for specific areas such as Shards of Orr. You should check out the Campfire sections Hero subforum.

Dre · Oct 21, 2008, 01:32 PM // 13:32

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Sabway or, more recently, Discordway.
Discordway is basically a minionmaster and two N/Ri healers which spam restoration skills + Discord.
Discordway outperforms Sabway in situations where bodies are scarce and/or the opposition harder, otherwise they're pretty similar.

The basic mechanic for both builds is that soul reaping gives the necros infinite energy to spam skills (due to the constantly dying minions).

discordway has minions on all three necro's, so you get a real big amount of meatshields (and the jagged horrors also help with bleeding for Discord)

isamu kurosawa · Oct 21, 2008, 01:43 PM // 13:43

I have been running a discord team on my mesmer for a long time. Before people started using it in place of sabway, it has always been popular in TAM as well.

This is the most usual setup i run. A few skills can be changed depending on the area of course.

[build box prof=Me/A fast+12+1+1 deadly=12][assassins promise][you move like a dwarf][ebon vanguard assassin support][finish him][no skill][no skill][no skill][resurrection signet][/build]

[build box pve prof=N/Mo death+12+1+1 soul reaping=8+1 curses=5+1 healing=9][Discord][enfeebling blood][animate shambling horror][animate bone minions][resurrection signet][malign intervention][dwaynas sorrow][rip enchantment][/build]

[build box pve prof=N/Mo death+12+1+1 soul reaping=8+1 curses=5+1 healing=9][Discord][animate shambling horror][blood of the master][death nova][verata's gaze][resurrection signet][aegis][protective spirit][/build]

[build box pve prof=N/Rt death+12+1+1 soul reaping=8+1 curses=5+1 healing=9][Discord][mend body and soul][spirit light][vengeful weapon][life][foul feast][protective was kaolai][flesh of my flesh][/build]

beserk · Oct 21, 2008, 02:11 PM // 14:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Sabway or, more recently, Discordway.
Discordway is basically a minionmaster and two N/Ri healers which spam restoration skills + Discord.
Discordway outperforms Sabway in situations where bodies are scarce and/or the opposition harder, otherwise they're pretty similar.

The basic mechanic for both builds is that soul reaping gives the necros infinite energy to spam skills (due to the constantly dying minions).

That doesn't make sense since all three necros on discord use minions, whereas on sabway only 1 uses them.

creelie · Oct 21, 2008, 02:16 PM // 14:16

I keep the SS and healer fairly classic, but put Discord on the MM since she's specced to Death anyway. It's working well as I vanq backwards through Tyria - the mobs are getting smaller and farther apart so the corpse supply is low, but when there are corpses I still get to have exploding bodyblockers around.

Numa Pompilius · Oct 21, 2008, 02:27 PM // 14:27

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Originally Posted by Dre

discordway has minions on all three necro's, so you get a real big amount of meatshields (and the jagged horrors also help with bleeding for Discord)

What? Why the hell would you have minions on all three necros? That's just silly, there's very few areas where there's so many bodies you can keep 3x10 minions up and running, you'll be wasting a lot of deaths because of the cap on Soul Reaping, not to mention that you're losing out on healing and hexing.

The build I've seen and use consists of one minionmaster with Discord or Jagged, two n/rits with Discord. I could see a point in changing out one N/Rit for a curser, or even a dom mesmer with VoR, but no point in bringing two more minionmasters.

beserk · Oct 21, 2008, 02:31 PM // 14:31

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Originally Posted by creelie

I keep the SS and healer fairly classic, but put Discord on the MM since she's specced to Death anyway. It's working well as I vanq backwards through Tyria - the mobs are getting smaller and farther apart so the corpse supply is low, but when there are corpses I still get to have exploding bodyblockers around.

^^ I do exactly the same, swap jagged and discord around on the mm

works perfect with the ss.

Cyb3r · Oct 21, 2008, 03:29 PM // 15:29

eh the tri discord team on wiki is just a basic junk build. Trash half of the build there and start redoing it like some others have on the forums

isamu kurosawa · Oct 21, 2008, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

What? Why the hell would you have minions on all three necros? That's just silly, there's very few areas where there's so many bodies you can keep 3x10 minions up and running, you'll be wasting a lot of deaths because of the cap on Soul Reaping, not to mention that you're losing out on healing and hexing.

The build I've seen and use consists of one minionmaster with Discord or Jagged, two n/rits with Discord. I could see a point in changing out one N/Rit for a curser, or even a dom mesmer with VoR, but no point in bringing two more minionmasters.

There is no single specific discord build. Yuo can run it with 0 MMs or as many as 3. As lnog as you have 3-4 copies of discord with a good trigger hex+cond then you have the base. all other skills are optional.

Most VQ's i have done i have kept a steady 18 minions on my 2 MM setup. a 3rd would work in other areas too but i prefer to spec resto. having more minions doesnt mean less healing thanks to [[dwaynas sorrow].

The thing that most sets discord apart from sabway is it is far more flexible in most areas. You have a single skill on the bar that deals damage, giving you far more utility slots than with sabway or pretty much any other build.

FengShuiDove · Oct 21, 2008, 03:31 PM // 15:31

Though the question has been answered, I'd also like to add that in 6+ person areas, a Sabway plus a Discordway (use N/Rt healer with Discord as backup damage and support in 6 man) works fantastically. A Discord team will have excellent synergy with the SS Necro from Sabway, adding a lot of damage and a lot of healing on top.

shanaya · Oct 21, 2008, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

Most VQ's i have done i have kept a steady 18 minions on my 2 MM setup. a 3rd would work in other areas too but i prefer to spec resto. having more minions doesnt mean less healing thanks to [[dwaynas sorrow].

I also have been very successfully using three discordway necroes with 2 x MM's. It is extremely powerful in most areas and highly recommended.

Dre · Oct 21, 2008, 04:26 PM // 16:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

What? Why the hell would you have minions on all three necros? That's just silly, there's very few areas where there's so many bodies you can keep 3x10 minions up and running, you'll be wasting a lot of deaths because of the cap on Soul Reaping, not to mention that you're losing out on healing and hexing.

The build I've seen and use consists of one minionmaster with Discord or Jagged, two n/rits with Discord. I could see a point in changing out one N/Rit for a curser, or even a dom mesmer with VoR, but no point in bringing two more minionmasters.

I didn't say 3 MM's, i said all 3 have minions (which is quite different)
The N/Rt's have animate shambling horror, which are pretty good meat shields, since you need to destroy them 2 times and the jagged horrors also cause bleeding (which helps for discord)

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Discord_Spam
that's the one I use

Numa Pompilius · Oct 21, 2008, 05:06 PM // 17:06

Sounds incredibly inefficient to me, and I would not swap a Discord for Jagged, but if it works for you, great.

Martin Firestorm · Oct 21, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22

I run a jagged MM and 2 discords (curser and healer), but those 2 also have animate bone minions, which takes advantage of all the att points in death and produces a huge minion army in most places. Its quite effective with most of my characters.

Turbobusa · Oct 21, 2008, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by Cyb3r

eh the tri discord team on wiki is just a basic junk build. Trash half of the build there and start redoing it like some others have on the forums

Word.

Numa Pompilius, he's talking about the 3 necros having animate shambling horrors, the jagged horrors coming from there, not from jagged bones. You still have3 discord, huge meatshield, corpse eaters that will nearly never fight for corpses...overall this is a big benefit
Just don't run blood of the master lol.

Chthon · Oct 22, 2008, 04:10 AM // 04:10

1. Sabway is specifically for 4-man areas. For 8-man areas the healing should be turned over to the henchmen so that the hero slot can be used for an offense-oriented character, and the prot should be "unpacked" off the minion bomber, since there's better places for it in an 8-man team.

2. Discord is inherently weak because it's one-damage-packet-on-one-target-at-a-time damage. Since it's big, armor-ignoring, and spammable, it's probably the second-best one-damage-packet-on-one-target-at-a-time skill out there after necrosis, but it remains a one-damage-packet-on-one-target-at-a-time skill nonetheless. I would only suggest discordway for situations where you're trying to H+H with a character that you just can't build an offense around. Otherwise you should be able to do much better.