Curse

Maelm · Nov 12, 2008, 03:33 AM // 03:33

Maybe I'm just playing in all the wrong areas, but the standard setup for triple paragon never seems to work for me in HM. In practically every area, I've had to use the hex-heavy version. Also, in every area with KD spam (Darkrime Delves with Giant Stomping Jotuns comes to mind), my team gets wiped out pretty fast.

I've tried out different teams such as Discordway but the whole Assassin's Promise/YMLaD/Finish Him thing seems too energy intensive for a paragon.

Can anyone give me any better builds or strategies to use in some of the harder dungeons?

Daesu · Nov 12, 2008, 03:57 AM // 03:57

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Originally Posted by Maelm

I've tried out different teams such as Discordway but the whole Assassin's Promise/YMLaD/Finish Him thing seems too energy intensive for a paragon.

Can anyone give me any better builds or strategies to use in some of the harder dungeons?

Don't use that ridiculous suggestion, from pvxwiki, of using AP on your Paragon.

Use a good Discordway build with curse, splinter weapon, and enfeebling blood, then use TNTF, SY, and Spear of Fury as your PvE skills.

daze · Nov 12, 2008, 04:04 AM // 04:04

The unique thing about dungeons is you have to know who you are facing before you enter. each dungeon is usually heavy in one aspect so you have to find a counter to their offense. For example, I like to do Frostmaws in HM from time to time, I have a HH build set up that basically lets me auto pilot the whole dungeon.. Basically it focuses around my Mesmer using interrupt/shutdown builds with a lot of hex removal. But when i go do Shards of Orr, i pack a lot of holy damage. So [[smite hex] and [[signet of judgment] + [[stonesoul strike] and [[avatar of balthazar] are my friends.

triple necro builds are great for vanquishing and getting guardian and stuff like that, but for dungeons you really should diversify. or at least tune your triple necro build to counter specifically what you will be facing in that dungeon.

And you mentioned that you have a tough time when enemies spam KD.. There are a couple ways to deal with KD. My favorite is to pack [[pain inverter] and cast it on one of the enemies causing the KD. That enemy will 1 hit spike itself to death , if not dropping its health to a sliver. If you are fast enough [assassins promise][pain inverter] and maybe [finish him] are the only skills you need to wipe a KD mob (for faster casting of AP i use [deadly paradox] because lots of times they either die too fast or stomp before i can get AP on them) but im not recommending you just throw [[deadly paradox] in to your build unless you are using a few sin skills. It also may help to flag a healer out of KD range just to keep you healthy. But for [[pain inverter] to work at its best, your whole team needs to get hit by the KD damage.
Or you could just pack [[dont trip] or even [[ward of stability] to prevent the KD on your team.

wind fire and ice · Nov 12, 2008, 04:46 AM // 04:46

run SY! with barbed spear-use discord way and mod it to where its heavier on hexes then conditions,and watch every thing die from the awesomeness of discord.

Numa Pompilius · Nov 12, 2008, 09:50 AM // 09:50

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Don't use that ridiculous suggestion, from pvxwiki, of using AP on your Paragon.

Use a good Discordway build with curse, splinter weapon, and enfeebling blood, then use TNTF, SY, and Spear of Fury as your PvE skills.

This.
Could someone please go to PvXWiki and type in a couple of reasonable Discordway team builds? The crappy PvXwiki one is just one step up from wiki vandalism IMO.

-Lotus- · Nov 12, 2008, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

This.
Could someone please go to PvXWiki and type in a couple of reasonable Discordway team builds? The crappy PvXwiki one is just one step up from wiki vandalism IMO.

they will just delete it. that's what they do with good builds over there.

Daesu · Nov 12, 2008, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by -Lotus-

they will just delete it. that's what they do with good builds over there.

That build obviously sucks. 3 10e PvE skills for ALL professions (including warriors and paragons)? How do you think my max 20e warrior is going to manage that? I am also not surprised that the OP has a problem keeping up that energy with his paragon.

And no enfeebling blood? Pray that HM melee monsters would somehow choose not to attack you?

AtomicMew · Nov 12, 2008, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Don't use that ridiculous suggestion, from pvxwiki, of using AP on your Paragon.

Use a good Discordway build with curse, splinter weapon, and enfeebling blood, then use TNTF, SY, and Spear of Fury as your PvE skills.

PvX isn't suggesting anything about using AP on a paragon. Remember, it's just a template - you're supposed to use common sense when using PvX.

Also, AP Discordway definitely does work on paragons. It's not ridiculous at all.

I run [assassin's promise][you move like a dwarf][finish him][there's nothing to fear][anthem of flame][fall back][go for the eyes][signet of return]
@12Deadly, 14 leadership, 4 command
Having near permanent TNTF and a party heal every 10 seconds helps tremendously.

Energy is more than enough. 2 pips doesn't even matter when AP is like, what, ~15? I use a caster spear and Bison Cup (lol finally a use for it) for 41 energy. I can AP-YMLaD-FH like 4-5 times before running out of energy AND keep up TNTF the whole time. If I really need energy (like if I miss AP) then I can just auto-attack for a few seconds and get 7 free energy from GftE.

Super Igor · Nov 12, 2008, 07:17 PM // 19:17

traversc is right, AP caller works just fine on a para and people who flame pvx and believe to be loloriginal dont know the game and lack common sense.

What i would run for the paracaller would be this though:

[build prof=p/a][assassin's promise][you move like a dwarf!][finish him!][theres nothing to fear!][stand your ground!][fall back!][hexbreaker aria][signet of return][/build]
reason why I decide not to run anthem of flame is general lack of attack skills, dont use gtfe because shouts dont effect minions anymore from what I herd. Syg is good armor bonus considerring everything stays in one place and fall back a great partywide speed boost, hexbreaker is great to make up for need of hex removal in D-way builds as every party member has a spell to use.

Use a high energy set and zealeus spear for better energy management if you wish.

Daesu · Nov 13, 2008, 03:58 AM // 03:58

Go ahead and submit those paragon builds into the general working PvE build for a P/A then and see if it would be rated to be as great as you think it is.

byteme! · Nov 13, 2008, 04:05 AM // 04:05

Ratings?! It's just a popularity contest.

Super Igor · Nov 13, 2008, 04:28 PM // 16:28

^ what he said.

Silversword22 · Nov 13, 2008, 07:57 PM // 19:57

For dungeons, I pretty much always use discordway as an AP caller. Everything else in the game I use racway or all physicals, not because they're better....but because I like playin them

Wind Fire And Ice mentioned this already, but if you're having problems with the AP build, use the standard imbagon build but put in barbed spear and asura scan (or slap more hexes on your necros) to trigger the discord killage.

Maelm · Nov 14, 2008, 12:28 AM // 00:28

Took everyone's advice and put Barbed Spear/Asuran Scan on SY/TNTF bar and made a Discordway focused on heavy anti-KD and hex removal. Ended up blasting through Darkrime Delves HM with only one wipe at the end. Thanks for all your help.

daze · Nov 14, 2008, 01:05 AM // 01:05

grats
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Daesu · Nov 14, 2008, 03:16 AM // 03:16

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Originally Posted by Maelm

Took everyone's advice and put Barbed Spear/Asuran Scan on SY/TNTF bar and made a Discordway focused on heavy anti-KD and hex removal. Ended up blasting through Darkrime Delves HM with only one wipe at the end. Thanks for all your help.

Congratulations! You have seen the light!

You now know something the pvx build author didn't.

1) You dont need an AP caller build to demonstrate synergy with discordway.

2) Even if an AP build can be made to work in a Paragon doesn't mean it is the best OPTIMAL build for your Paragon. You can still choose a good Imbagon build to work well with discordway and produce better results than if you have used that AP build on your Paragon in the first place.

Super Igor · Nov 14, 2008, 09:59 AM // 09:59

grats dude.

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