Curse

Forgotton200 · Feb 11, 2009, 01:38 AM // 01:38

I like using the necro heroes because of the energy management but one thing I cannot stand is a MM. I was thinking of using texmod to erase the MM (the minions) out of my screen but I failed doing so due to lack of motivation.

Is it still decent replacing a MM with another restoration from n/rit for extra healing? I'm also running [save yourselves] on my character.

So it's something like this:

N/rit Livia curse necro
N/rit MoW restoration necro
N/rit Olias restoration necro

Thanks in advance.

Pocketmancer · Feb 11, 2009, 01:48 AM // 01:48

Minion Masters are a form of energy management for the Necro Trio. Otherwise, you can't expect nearly as much from your restoration necro. But whatever, that wasn't the answer you're looking for.

Changing it for another restoration necro probably wouldn't help as much. There's healing and there's overhealing. Overhealing is inefficient if you're bringing along Monk henchies because you're sacrificing extra damage for heals you don't need. Instead, what you can do with that necro is to make it fuel energy for other characters with Blood Ritual. This is an alternative to the lack of minions providing constant soul reaping energy for your other two necros. And with the blood skill track, there's a few skills that provide decent damage (not great damage, but decent damage) so you can still retain higher damage output than with two restoration necros.

Forgotton200 · Feb 11, 2009, 01:51 AM // 01:51

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Originally Posted by Pocketmancer

Minion Masters are a form of energy management for the Necro Trio. Otherwise, you can't expect nearly as much from your restoration necro. But whatever, that wasn't the answer you're looking for.

Changing it for another restoration necro probably wouldn't help as much. There's healing and there's overhealing. Overhealing is inefficient if you're bringing along Monk henchies because you're sacrificing extra damage for heals you don't need. Instead, what you can do with that necro is to make it fuel energy for other characters with Blood Ritual. This is an alternative to the lack of minions providing constant soul reaping energy for your other two necros. And with the blood skill track, there's a few skills that provide decent damage (not great damage, but decent damage) so you can still retain higher damage output than with two restoration necros.

I'll try that out, thank you.

fireflyry · Feb 11, 2009, 02:00 AM // 02:00

Problem is the MM is symbiotic to the energy management you like so much.

Most of the time stuff is dropping fast enough but depending on how you play you may notice your heroes having more energy problems without minions going boom all over the place.

If you can get by without a bomber the options are really endless.

N/anything works for 99% of PvE.

Imo extra healing is overkill in most areas, your better off killing stuff than keeping red bars at full to fuel SR and make up for the lack of your MM bombers SR triggers.

Any decent N/E nuker bar with an AoE snare is pretty gravy in my experience.

In conclusion you just have to compensate and make sure mobs drop fast enough to fuel SR, extra healing you shouldn't need won't really help with that.

Good luck.

Edit:Good point by Pocketmancer too.Heroes use Blood Ritual to great effect....surprisingly.

Icy The Mage · Feb 11, 2009, 02:32 AM // 02:32

keep in mind heroes do not use blood ritual on character or other heroes equipped with martial weapons

dartz180 · Feb 11, 2009, 02:37 AM // 02:37

Alright, I was bored, and tried making that texmod you wanted, but it's nowhere near working state right now. The bone horror model is working, and so is the fiend. All other minions appear all black. If you wanted the mod, i could post it but i can guarantee you won't like black shapes all over the screen....

TheDragonmaster · Feb 11, 2009, 06:32 AM // 06:32

As people already have stated, minions fuel SR. Otherwise, consider an SV/Curse support for your third hero. Something like Spoil Victor, Blood Ritual, Enfeebling Blood, Weaken Armor, perhaps Anti-Block (Rigor Mortis or Defile Defenses) or Well of Blood, Rip/Strip Enchantment, Awaken the Blood, SoLS... and leave the powerful curses on your SS necro.

pingu666 · Feb 12, 2009, 05:52 AM // 05:52

if u dont like the melee minions maybe u could try the fiends? the headless ones that shoot projectiles.

you could also look into using wells too i guess

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Well...uick_reference

daze · Feb 12, 2009, 08:40 AM // 08:40

I always like a N/Rt channeler instead of the 3rd N/Rt restorer.

Pocketmancer · Feb 12, 2009, 10:37 PM // 22:37

The problem with wells if you're using a necro hero team is that most of the time, they don't benefit too much from them. Not to mention they're not too spammable.

[[Well of Blood] - Spammable but hardly worth it. Especially if you're using a restoration necro. Enemy casters that die won't be close to your casters. Enemy physicals will make our own casters scatter. A necro hero team won't feel the effects of Well of Blood sadly.

[[Well of Power] - Not as spammable as Well of Blood, but it faults for the same reasons. To make it worse, it's an elite, which you're better off using your elite slot for something else.

[[Well of Suffering] - The one of two somewhat decent one in PvE play. Sadly, health degen doesn't seem to do much in hard mode, where necro hero teams do their best. To make this one slightly worse for PvE play, its effects don't count as hexes so you can't use it as a mass hex fulfillment for Discord.

[[Well of the Profane] - The only one that's got decent effects. Strips enemies in the area of their enchantments and prevents them from being loaded on. Sadly, the 3 second cast time makes it rough to work with. That and there are better ways of removing enchants with necromancers.

[[Well of Darkness] - Effective against physical types. However, that would mean something close to your casters needs to have died first. In that event, you're better off with Ward Against Melee to receive similar effects.

[[Well of Ruin] - In a necro hero setup, without minion masters, the enemies will hardly ever take physical damage. Unless, of course, you equip your necromancers with spears or something.

[[Well of Silence] - Shouts and chants from enemies are hardly worth being afraid of.

[[Well of Weariness] - In hard mode, enemies have too much energy for -1 energy degen to make a difference.

With that happening, rather than using the corpses and making wells out of them, [[Putrid Explosion] causes a whole lot more pain on a different level. Not to mention necromancer heroes notice when an enemy has dropped way quicker than humans would.

Forgotton200 · Feb 13, 2009, 12:40 AM // 00:40

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Originally Posted by dartz180

Alright, I was bored, and tried making that texmod you wanted, but it's nowhere near working state right now. The bone horror model is working, and so is the fiend. All other minions appear all black. If you wanted the mod, i could post it but i can guarantee you won't like black shapes all over the screen....

Nice work on the horror and fiend but the black shaped minions is making things worse. Whenever I play a front line, 20 minions cover up my whole screen and the only time I can see my character is when I'm running to the next foe. I have nothing against minions as a back line and mid line. Minions are too good to pass though, I'll just man-up and keep the pest with me.

Also, these replies are good read for areas that has little amounts of exploitable foe or where minions are not wanted. Thanks for all the replies, my problem is solved.

FoxBat · Feb 13, 2009, 12:43 AM // 00:43

Curses are kinda Meh without minions... if you have a party full of physicals, you can get them doing orders, which will help you pump more SY too. Para heroes are also known for their infinite energy...

Splinter is strong, you could toss that on anything like an earth ele, or go for 14 with a ritualist.

Dmitri3 · Feb 13, 2009, 01:27 AM // 01:27

You know you can always run something else instead of 3 necros...

Forgotton200 · Feb 16, 2009, 05:16 AM // 05:16

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Originally Posted by Dmitri3

You know you can always run something else instead of 3 necros...

You're right, I forgot about Rayway.

Daesu · Feb 16, 2009, 06:57 AM // 06:57

Rayway can also benefit from a snare if you dont use a MM.

Super Igor · Feb 18, 2009, 02:52 PM // 14:52

Take Discord from pvx, get rid of all the minion crap give everyone a copy of putrid bile to make up for lack of minions exploding and u r winrar!

Daesu · Feb 19, 2009, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Take Discord from pvx, get rid of all the minion crap give everyone a copy of putrid bile to make up for lack of minions exploding and u r winrar!

If you do that then you would run out of energy because the crappy discordway build in pvx doesn't even have SoLS, and you want to take out all the minions, which is your main SR factory, too?

Just go with Rayway.

pingu666 · Feb 19, 2009, 05:37 AM // 05:37

rayway may lead to blindness xD

Coney · Feb 19, 2009, 05:48 AM // 05:48

Try playing with monk/para heros. GL w/necro energy mgmt, without minions dieing left/right...

Forgotton200 · Feb 19, 2009, 06:12 AM // 06:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by pingu666

if u dont like the melee minions maybe u could try the fiends? the headless ones that shoot projectiles.

you could also look into using wells too i guess

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Well...uick_reference

I'm using sabway because I'm currently playing frontline and if I wanted to become a caller, I'd just make a caster.

Anyway, how about this?

Livia using sabway curse.
Master of whisper using sabway /rit build.
And olias using this:

[build prof=N/Mo death=12+1+3 sou=9+1 pro=9][Animate Bone Fiend][Putrid Bile][Putrid Explosion][Protective Spirit][Aegis][cure hex][Signet of Lost Souls][/build]

I'm not sure which elite I should use. Maybe [Reaper's Mark], [Icy Veins] or something else.