Curse

arny · Apr 05, 2009, 04:54 AM // 04:54

I use the 3 Necro in HM and i did all the miss in YOTN HM ( in DD i had problems killing Disk ) bunt can i improve them ? i want to do dungeons , can some one help me to improve ? TNX.

http://www.mypicx.com/04042009/sabway/

When its get hard i drop Olias and use Ogden
http://www.mypicx.com/uploadimg/7440...04052009_1.jpg

and my Necro have this + the sabway

http://www.mypicx.com/uploadimg/2131...04042009_1.jpg

I know i have to change a lot but i don't know what

TheodenKing · Apr 05, 2009, 02:49 PM // 14:49

Ok, so you are using sabway. Sabway is good. but you may find discordway is better. I have used both quite a lot. I prefer discordway unless the foes use heavy hex/condition removal. You can find discordway on pvxwiki.

Covah · Apr 05, 2009, 03:09 PM // 15:09

urrrssssaaaannnnnnnnnn

You don't really need two heroes running the same build. Usually the heroes will attack the same target you are and since they have the same skills they will just replace the others. Like TheodenKing said you might want to try discord way. You are a warrior and will be taking targets down one at a time. With discord way they will spike the target fast.

/lolursan

arny · Apr 05, 2009, 04:12 PM // 16:12

Tnx all , its ok to use ursan on my W ? i got rank 10. and what do u think about my W build.

ac1inferno · Apr 05, 2009, 04:24 PM // 16:24

Why use Discordway with a Warrior when it's more caster oriented? Stick with Sabway since you're physical and it synergizes with it much better. If you really are using two SS Necroes, switch one of them for the SoLS Necro Healer.

arny · Apr 05, 2009, 06:30 PM // 18:30

Tnx man i will keep sabway , but what build can i use for my W ? i have asura , derv , norn and vaq all rang 10.

Cherng Butter · Apr 05, 2009, 07:55 PM // 19:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by ac1inferno

Why use Discordway with a Warrior when it's more caster oriented? Stick with Sabway since you're physical and it synergizes with it much better. If you really are using two SS Necroes, switch one of them for the SoLS Necro Healer.

Use the Enduring Scythe warrior, it already has Asuran Scan so it makes for a spike-oriented warrior that works very well with a Discord Team. Keep Rush up and run from enemy to enemy calling and throwing out quick activation attack skills to bring enemies down quick.

arny · Apr 05, 2009, 10:56 PM // 22:56

Can i keep ursan on my Warrior with the sabway or is no use ?

ac1inferno · Apr 06, 2009, 12:46 AM // 00:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherng Butter

Use the Enduring Scythe warrior, it already has Asuran Scan so it makes for a spike-oriented warrior that works very well with a Discord Team. Keep Rush up and run from enemy to enemy calling and throwing out quick activation attack skills to bring enemies down quick.

For a Enduring Scythe Warrior, I would still stick with Sabway over Discordway. Scythes are AoE and it's a waste to have it for a single target team spike build. Also, it synergizes very well with [[Splinter Weapon (PvE)].

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Originally Posted by arny

Can i keep ursan on my Warrior with the sabway or is no use ?

I guess you can, but outside of a farm or full ursan team, I don't know if it works very well. For other Warrior builds, any of the Warrior builds in the following link would work:

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Category:G...general_builds

Cherng Butter · Apr 06, 2009, 01:52 AM // 01:52

Sabway is still inferior to Discordway anyway though. The two team builds are both sturdy, but Discordway is faster at taking enemies down. The AoE of the scythe is a bonus, not an aspect that you should build a teambuild around. It's not like it goes to waste when you hit multiple targets, it just softens them up before they're discord spiked. The scythe has huge spike capability as well. And you could bring splinter anyway if you wanted.

I'll bite that Discordway is better suited for an AP caster of some sort, but it doesn't mean that a warrior is inferior in that context if it can fire off a no-cast-time hex every 5 seconds, and with Withering Aura on, fulfill the condition requirement too (if the necros haven't already w/ spells).

**Marty Silverblade** · Apr 06, 2009, 02:25 AM // 02:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by arny

Can i keep ursan on my Warrior with the sabway or is no use ?

Heres some tips about your War:

-Sundering is useless on swords
--5/20% mods suck.
-Ursan is horrible, both because it was nerfed and even after you complete every PvE related thing there is to do you'll still know nothing about how to play War.
-The tanking skills at the end of the bar should not be there. If you're not blowing stuff up, it really doesn't matter how much health you've got.
-About using ether signet to fuel anything... just don't.

Reading the War sticky is a good idea.

arny · Apr 06, 2009, 03:17 AM // 03:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

Heres some tips about your War:

-Sundering is useless on swords
--5/20% mods suck.
-Ursan is horrible, both because it was nerfed and even after you complete every PvE related thing there is to do you'll still know nothing about how to play War.
-The tanking skills at the end of the bar should not be there. If you're not blowing stuff up, it really doesn't matter how much health you've got.
-About using ether signet to fuel anything... just don't.

Reading the War sticky is a good idea.

Tnx man i know i am not good , i was thinking ursan is good but i gees not.

I got discordway i use this:

[1;OAhkUsG6hGGUMTVlColA70uzRVyF]

[2;OABDQatmSxMVVVBoBLCKVJgdCA]

[3;OAhjUoGYIPxsqaGbcKNHmTuLGA]

[4;OQcTEVK6ZaBymcXMmEAAAAAQAAA]

what do u think its ok ?

arny · Apr 06, 2009, 02:44 PM // 14:44

After i use discord i got back to sab

using this :

[build;OAhiYwh8gtzYSzJ3wccWVTuA]

[build;OANDUslfSLVVBoBLCKg1DBEVVA]

[build;OAhjYgHsoO5B7QZwSs7wYV1kLA]

[build;OQUTMyITTqvYXEW0wIu5varYwCA]

My war need changes

Paul Dawg · Apr 06, 2009, 03:27 PM // 15:27

You're going to have to explain that, because your own war sticky says this:

Quote:

In general, the best ones are the elemental hilt/hafts, for avoiding physical damage resistances and synergy with Conjure Flame and similar skills, Zealous, for high energy users, and Vampiric/Sundering for its outstanding damage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

-Sundering is useless on swords

(snip)

Reading the War sticky is a good idea.

Picuso · Apr 06, 2009, 05:22 PM // 17:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by arny

My war need changes

Drop [Endure Pain], [Signet Of Stamina], [Ether Signet], [Summon Mursaat] and [Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support].

And read this, it will help you: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10326347

**Marty Silverblade** · Apr 06, 2009, 10:34 PM // 22:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Dawg

You're going to have to explain that, because your own war sticky says this:

Hmmm, I know I noted that once but it must have been lost that time Guru got hacked and I had to reupload from an outdated Word file. Oh well, fixed now.

Anyway, Sundering provides good damage on weapons with high maximum damages, i.e, not swords or daggers.

@OP, Discord > Sabway imo, even though people say it sucks for melee players. Heres what to do:

1) Get a standard Godmode bar (it's in the sticky, and for the third time in this thread, please read it).
2) Put either [[Parasitic Bond] on one of the heroes and/or take [[Asuran Scan].
3) [[Withering Aura] on one of the heroes; they'll always cast it on you.

Paul Dawg · Apr 07, 2009, 12:07 AM // 00:07

OK, I see that you've made the change in the sticky, but I kinda DON'T see what max damage has to do with the calculation. All that matters for calculating the benefit of armor penetration is AVERAGE damage per second (discounting bonuses etc.). In fact, sundering should aid a sword slightly more than an axe because the average damager is greater (18.5 vs. 17). You don't get much mileage out of sundering mod on your axe when you hit for 6 damage.

The only time the max damage comes into play is for critical hits, where scythes really shine (not even considering their multiple attacks).

Just for the record: I personally think vampiric is better than sundering in virtually every situation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

Hmmm, I know I noted that once but it must have been lost that time Guru got hacked and I had to reupload from an outdated Word file. Oh well, fixed now.

Anyway, Sundering provides good damage on weapons with high maximum damages, i.e, not swords or daggers.

Daesu · Apr 07, 2009, 12:19 AM // 00:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

@OP, Discord > Sabway imo, even though people say it sucks for melee players. Heres what to do:

Correct, discordway doesn't suck for melee, just that the pvx version of discordway sucks for melee. They confirmed it themselves at the bottom saying it is more for casters.

Dont follow the pvx discordway and use AP (lol) on your warrior. There are much better elites for a warrior.

**Marty Silverblade** · Apr 07, 2009, 12:32 AM // 00:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Dawg

OK, I see that you've made the change in the sticky, but I kinda DON'T see what max damage has to do with the calculation. All that matters for calculating the benefit of armor penetration is AVERAGE damage per second (discounting bonuses etc.). In fact, sundering should aid a sword slightly more than an axe because the average damager is greater (18.5 vs. 17). You don't get much mileage out of sundering mod on your axe when you hit for 6 damage.

The only time the max damage comes into play is for critical hits, where scythes really shine (not even considering their multiple attacks).

Just for the record: I personally think vampiric is better than sundering in virtually every situation.

Tbh I actually haven't done any testing myself, I'm going by other peoples results. This is people I trust, i.e, good Wars from Guru. If I had a sundering sword I'd test it myself, but I cbf.

Paul Dawg · Apr 07, 2009, 03:52 AM // 03:52

Well, all I can say is that if you haven't tested it yourself, you should be wary of making the claim in your sticky.

If people say things that fly in the face of mathematics, they're still wrong--even if they're "good wars."

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

Tbh I actually haven't done any testing myself, I'm going by other peoples results. This is people I trust, i.e, good Wars from Guru. If I had a sundering sword I'd test it myself, but I cbf.