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Super Igor · Jul 03, 2009, 11:47 AM // 11:47

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Originally Posted by upier

The "disadvantage" in question is the fact that the warrior will be using 2 skills out of 8 for the majority of ALL fights.
I wouldn't call that "not gimping" yourself.

You are using 2 skills out of 4 every second spike, but your spikes are still much more powerful than they wouldve been, no gimping yourself here.
With Discord its very simple, dont wanna run AP call, dont run discord at all.

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Originally Posted by syphonus

It's already gimped by the fact that it's doing the same job as N/A, but much worse. No one wants to play like that.

Could you come up with a quote which is less retarded?

Also, you have no right to speak for everyone. Hexes N/A has are just an icing on a cake, it's all about first four skills, AP, YMLaD!, EVAS, FH! Huge unblockable spike on their own, knock-lock, snare, interrupt, hex, instant condition, instant 80 dmg + DW and cracked in just four skills so you have 4 slots free to take whatever you want. Oh, and all of your skills have no recharge too pretty much.
Should be obvious why it MUST be used to call for Discord spikes by all classes cept Warrior, for them it's somewhat argueable because some people are too stupid to manage their energy. oO

Tenebrae · Jul 03, 2009, 12:08 PM // 12:08

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

You are using 2 skills out of 4 every second spike, but your spikes are still much more powerful than they wouldve been, no gimping yourself here.
With Discord its very simple, dont wanna run AP call, dont run discord at all.

He will run whatever the heck he wants dude , AP caller is not a sinnequanon for that build so CHILL.

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Also, you have no right to speak for everyone.

I say the same to you.

Post Edited by Cebe: Removed flaming content.

upier · Jul 03, 2009, 12:50 PM // 12:50

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

You are using 2 skills out of 4 every second spike, but your spikes are still much more powerful than they wouldve been, no gimping yourself here.
With Discord its very simple, dont wanna run AP call, dont run discord at all.

You'll probably gain some 20 energy after you kill off a foe. That includes AP and natural regen.
After you trash your staff resources, that's ALL the energy you'll have. Unless you suck at killing of course. In which case you'll regen more.
If you are killing fast enough, you really don't have time to wand. That also means you can't really gain adrenaline. So adrenal skills are out of the question. And the only reason why I brought up adrenal skills is because you don't have the resources to use energy skills.
Which means you use 2 skills out of 8 for the majority of all fights.
And one of those two skills that are being used isn't SY!

Bring SY!, buff up the guy with Splinter/SoH and this guy will do wonders.

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Should be obvious why it MUST be used to call for Discord spikes by all classes cept Warrior, for them it's somewhat argueable because some people are too stupid to manage their energy. oO

W/A.
What e-management options?

Super Igor · Jul 03, 2009, 01:33 PM // 13:33

[QUOTE=Tenebrae;4723442]He will run whatever the heck he wants dude , AP caller is not a sinnequanon for that build so CHILL.[QUOTE]

It is, by saying this you show that you dont know how to run Discord.

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I say the same to you.

I dont speak for everyone, I simply state facts.

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Originally Posted by upier

You'll probably gain some 20 energy after you kill off a foe. That includes AP and natural regen.
After you trash your staff resources, that's ALL the energy you'll have. Unless you suck at killing of course. In which case you'll regen more.
If you are killing fast enough, you really don't have time to wand. That also means you can't really gain adrenaline. So adrenal skills are out of the question. And the only reason why I brought up adrenal skills is because you don't have the resources to use energy skills.
Which means you use 2 skills out of 8 for the majority of all fights.
And one of those two skills that are being used isn't SY!

Bring SY!, buff up the guy with Splinter/SoH and this guy will do wonders.

You dont have to have SY! with Discord, I rolled through every area with my Sin and Discordway and never expirienced a need for that 100AL boos, I know it wont hurt but it's not a requrement.
Splinter/SoH...have you actually made a full build with them before saying this? Because if you did, you wouldve destroyed the entire focus of the build as well as attribute spreads, defense, utility.
Your Discordway will start working like sabway with resto and curse specced geavily to death magic for some broken reason and now you call Discord with a caller gimped?? I laugh.
Might as well really run a classic 3 necro then, or even better run 2 necros and a rit for a hawt 14 spec splinter!

As for "can uze only 2 skillz baww" argument of yours...wrong!

As I have said previously, on a Warrior you dont have to use all four skills, you can drop EVAS and it will be enough for an effective and fast spike.
AP + YMLaD + FH! cost 25 energy, like you said, you gain 20 back so each spike you lose 5 energy out of your ~40 with a staff.
If you want SY! then take FGJ!, Lion's Comfort and SY! You could mantain FGJ! indefenetely, two wants will charge LC, one cast of LC will charge SY!
Thats 3 seconds to get SY! up, roughly the time taken to spike down a lvl28 mob, maybe a bit more but it doesnt matter, what matters is that you can have SY! up all the time without a problem.

Like I said, hf gimping yourself or like you call it "being original".

Post Edited by Cebe: Removed Reference to deleted post.

Unreal Havoc · Jul 03, 2009, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Originally Posted by ac1inferno

Since a Warrior is physical and not a caster, Sabway it. I can never understand why people would suggest Discordway for a Warrior. Its for casters with enough energy regen so they can keep up spamming with the AP caller build. If you don't use the AP caller for Discordway, then you're not using it to it's fullest potential. Then why bother using it at all? Better to take advantage of the physical buffs that Sabway has for you.

Hit the nail on the head here.

Tenebrae · Jul 03, 2009, 02:32 PM // 14:32

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

It is, by saying this you show that you dont know how to run Discord.
I dont speak for everyone, I simply state facts.

No , that build doesnt need an AP caller to work and it seems that you are the only one that doesnt know it. By saying something you say is a fact you are speaking for everyone because no one can argue that 2+2=4 and thats a fact but what you are saying its YOUR opinion , not a fact.
The fact is that a warrior running as an AP caller is sad , so so so sad and its not a warrior , its just a dude with low energy cap and regen doing somethin that he is not meant to. No one seems to agree with you and the guy #1 dislikes your suggestion so , time to quit dude.

Super Igor · Jul 03, 2009, 02:40 PM // 14:40

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

No , that build doesnt need an AP caller to work and it seems that you are the only one that doesnt know it. By saying something you say is a fact you are speaking for everyone because no one can argue that 2+2=4 and thats a fact but what you are saying its YOUR opinion , not a fact.
The fact is that a warrior running as an AP caller is sad , so so so sad and its not a warrior , its just a dude with low energy cap and regen doing somethin that he is not meant to. No one seems to agree with you and the guy #1 dislikes your suggestion so , time to quit dude.

If you think that I'm the only one that believes that Discord works best with AP caller you are blind.

Unreal Havoc · Jul 03, 2009, 02:51 PM // 14:51

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

No , that build doesnt need an AP caller to work and it seems that you are the only one that doesnt know it. By saying something you say is a fact you are speaking for everyone because no one can argue that 2+2=4 and thats a fact but what you are saying its YOUR opinion , not a fact.
The fact is that a warrior running as an AP caller is sad , so so so sad and its not a warrior , its just a dude with low energy cap and regen doing somethin that he is not meant to. No one seems to agree with you and the guy #1 dislikes your suggestion so , time to quit dude.

Discordway doesn't need an AP caller you are right, but it works so much better with one.

Also using a Warrior as an AP caller is very much possible. I'd much rather run Sabway with a Warrior though.

upier · Jul 03, 2009, 02:51 PM // 14:51

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

You dont have to have SY! with Discord, I rolled through every area with my Sin and Discordway and never expirienced a need for that 100AL boos, I know it wont hurt but it's not a requrement.
Splinter/SoH...have you actually made a full build with them before saying this? Because if you did, you wouldve destroyed the entire focus of the build as well as attribute spreads, defense, utility.
Your Discordway will start working like sabway with resto and curse specced geavily to death magic for some broken reason and now you call Discord with a caller gimped?? I laugh.
Might as well really run a classic 3 necro then, or even better run 2 necros and a rit for a hawt 14 spec splinter!

As for "can uze only 2 skillz baww" argument of yours...wrong!

As I have said previously, on a Warrior you dont have to use all four skills, you can drop EVAS and it will be enough for an effective and fast spike.
AP + YMLaD + FH! cost 25 energy, like you said, you gain 20 back so each spike you lose 5 energy out of your ~40 with a staff.
If you want SY! then take FGJ!, Lion's Comfort and SY! You could mantain FGJ! indefenetely, two wants will charge LC, one cast of LC will charge SY!
Thats 3 seconds to get SY! up, roughly the time taken to spike down a lvl28 mob, maybe a bit more but it doesnt matter, what matters is that you can have SY! up all the time without a problem.

Like I said, hf gimping yourself or like you call it "being original".

The points isn't running SY! on an AP warrior.
The point is to run a SY! warrior instead of the AP warrior.
Because running an AP warrior is gimping yourself compared to what else you could be running.

Super Igor · Jul 03, 2009, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by upier

The points isn't running SY! on an AP warrior.
The point is to run a SY! warrior instead of the AP warrior.
Because running an AP warrior is gimping yourself compared to what else you could be running.

Whats the point of running SY! war with Discord if you can run AP caller that can spam SY! effectively and make your Discord heroes perform much more efficiently?

Dont tell me that you can run melee hexes, splinter and other shit because it will work crap, I know. Your Discord heroes should spam Discord not buff melee.

Like I said, if you want melee, run classic 3 necroes n stuff.

upier · Jul 03, 2009, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Whats the point of running SY! war with Discord if you can run AP caller that can spam SY! effectively and make your Discord heroes perform much more efficiently?

Dont tell me that you can run melee hexes, splinter and other shit because it will work crap, I know. Your Discord heroes should spam Discord not buff melee.

Like I said, if you want melee, run classic 3 necroes n stuff.

If you'd try to listen to the people around here, you'd see that's exactly what people are trying to say.
Given how gimped the warrior build is if one runs an AP caller on the guy, it's better to look into other hero options.

Tenebrae · Jul 03, 2009, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

Discordway doesn't need an AP caller you are right, but it works so much better with one.

I never said the opposite but your pal Super "AP+discordway is the answer to everything" Igor just ignored what i said and misread what he wants while smashing F5.

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

Also using a Warrior as an AP caller is very much possible. I'd much rather run Sabway with a Warrior though.

Im not the only one that thinks playing a W like a caster is bloody retarded and in terms of usage , e-management and style of playing i wont say that is impossible but is worthless and pointless to stuck in that one-mind style of playing when you can go smooth on Sabway or another Phys way making small changes depending on the zone you are playing at.

Super Igor · Jul 03, 2009, 05:34 PM // 17:34

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

I never said the opposite but your pal Super "AP+discordway is the answer to everything" Igor just ignored what i said and misread what he wants while smashing F5.

Like I said prviously, I like maximum efficiency, AP caller gives it to Discord.

Also, decifer the bolded bit.

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Im not the only one that thinks playing a W like a caster is bloody retarded and in terms of usage , e-management and style of playing i wont say that is impossible but is worthless and pointless to stuck in that one-mind style of playing when you can go smooth on Sabway or another Phys way making small changes depending on the zone you are playing at.

I yet have to see an good player say that running AP caller with Discord is retarded.

Also, Sabway sucks compared to Discord, if you think otherwise your Discord setup must be terrible...

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Originally Posted by upier

If you'd try to listen to the people around here, you'd see that's exactly what people are trying to say.
Given how gimped the warrior build is if one runs an AP caller on the guy, it's better to look into other hero options.

I know, if youve been around for long enough I wouldve known that I usually stick to the same way of thinking that if you wanna run the AP caller expecially with physicals you should run another concept entirely, main reason being that you lose a big chunk of efficiency and power from the setup and since you also have to get things like barbs, splinter, soh, cracked armor ect. on the bar it totally ruins the concept. Not only it takes you ages to prime your heroes also spend too much time buffing you and not casting Discord like they should.
For that reason I was protesting against use of discord with Wars entirely.

However, I rolled AP caller and Discord on my War recently and still found it to be more fficient that Sabway even ithout EVAS and maxed Norn rank like on my Sin.

Tenebrae · Jul 03, 2009, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

I yet have to see an good player say that running AP caller with Discord is retarded.

Also, Sabway sucks compared to Discord, if you think otherwise your Discord setup must be terrible...

You dont even bother to read dont ya ? i can feel your hunger to drop sht on my post no matter what i say.
Dude "....thinks playing a W like a caster.... " , that W stands for WARRIOR , im talking about WARRIORS playing AP callers. Where the hell did you read there that i said AP callers are retarded (nor bad players) ? and more important i NEVER said that sabway is better than Discord so who are you arguing against ?. Discord setup .... like it was a science lol.
The guy posted LONG AGO that is not going to play an AP caller but you cant help keep going offtopic ? think someone else ( if you can ) and say it so he can test it or make it better.

AtomicMew · Jul 03, 2009, 07:12 PM // 19:12

I don't actually see much disagreement of opinion here. I just see a bunch of people arguing because they like to. Let me help:

S1: running an AP caller is going to be faster with discordway, even with a warrior for a large majority of areas.

S2: Yes, it is sad, playing your warrior as a caster. It makes you feel gimped. I bet you could even get Igor to admit this if you press him

S3: Sabway is outdated and discordway is generally better with an AP caller. Sabway performs better if the player is not an AP caller.

Conclusion: Play discordway, if you don't mind feeling gimp.
Play sabway, if you don't mind playing an outdated build. Otherwise, you need to create your own build, since there's currently nothing else you can wiki. There are plenty of options, of course. People just need to quit bitching, IMO and be constructive.

Opinion: Tenebrae et al accuse Igor of going off topic, but guess what? They are doing the exact same thing.

Pot, meet kettle.

Tenebrae · Jul 03, 2009, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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Originally Posted by traversc

.... bla bla bla , "discord is the answer to everything" bla bla....

Ok dude , you are a Discord lover , we get it , thanks but you are not helping btw.

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Originally Posted by traversc

Conclusion: Play discordway, if you don't mind feeling gimp.
Play sabway, if you don't mind playing an outdated build. Otherwise, you need to create your own build, since there's currently nothing else you can wiki. There are plenty of options, of course. People just need to quit bitching, IMO and be constructive.

Yeah because saying "play discord" and rage against any1 that says the opposite is not bitching and being constructive. Thats what some of us are trying because fyi ( i dont know if u read the thread ) the guy already said that is not going to play as an AP caller and already knows discord builds so think anything else and follow your own advice instead dropping posts like this , thanks.

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Originally Posted by traversc

Opinion: Tenebrae et al accuse Igor of going off topic, but guess what? They are doing the exact same thing.
Pot, meet kettle.

Congratulations , i see you are joining my club with this post ... and no , we arent doing the same thing. Go ahead , rage some more instead thinking about something that is not Discordway or Sabway , i bet you cant.

_Nihilist_ · Jul 03, 2009, 09:32 PM // 21:32

Discordway blows. It's only "good" because any profession can run it. That's it. Period.

If you want to play a game where every Profession/Class/Occupation is the same, GTFO of GW and play Tic-Tac-Toe. Same damn difference.

Super Igor · Jul 03, 2009, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

Discordway blows. It's only "good" because any profession can run it. That's it. Period.

If you want to play a game where every Profession/Class/Occupation is the same, GTFO of GW and play Tic-Tac-Toe. Same damn difference.

you are wrong

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Originally Posted by traversc

I don't actually see much disagreement of opinion here. I just see a bunch of people arguing because they like to. Let me help:

S1: running an AP caller is going to be faster with discordway, even with a warrior for a large majority of areas.

S2: Yes, it is sad, playing your warrior as a caster. It makes you feel gimped. I bet you could even get Igor to admit this if you press him

S3: Sabway is outdated and discordway is generally better with an AP caller. Sabway performs better if the player is not an AP caller.

Conclusion: Play discordway, if you don't mind feeling gimp.
Play sabway, if you don't mind playing an outdated build. Otherwise, you need to create your own build, since there's currently nothing else you can wiki. There are plenty of options, of course. People just need to quit bitching, IMO and be constructive.

Opinion: Tenebrae et al accuse Igor of going off topic, but guess what? They are doing the exact same thing.

Pot, meet kettle.

Even mods and admins can't press me, these guys dont have a chance.
It's about how you look at it.
On it's own, a Warrior with a staff is likely to make you go wtf but when my goal is to make my Discord heroes work efficiently as long as it does that I'm fine with it.

Agree with everything else you said.

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Igor, you don't have to respond with double-posts just because it's 2 separate responses.

_Nihilist_ · Jul 03, 2009, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

you are wrong

Care to explain how I'm wrong?

The only selling point that Discordway has vs. other builds is that anyone can run it. That's it. You need to be an Assassin, doesn't matter whether primary or secondary (yup, that means any player can run it, including the gimped Warrior with a staff who can't even consistently run the full chain), and the 3 skills you use besides Assassin's Promise are PvE-rank skills that can be used by any Profession. That's the single reason that Discordway is "great".

Arkantos · Jul 03, 2009, 10:14 PM // 22:14

I fail to see how discordway blows when it's arguably the strongest 3 hero setup in PvE. It works, there's nothing else to say.