Curse

marmar256 · May 29, 2009, 11:54 AM // 11:54

Ok I have seen a few threads for this but honestly what is the best hero set-up for a warrior? I keep getting discord thrown at me for every proffesion but running around with a staff and using the AP caller build for a warrior i cant see why i dont just play a caster. I have been wondering what set-ups others find to be the best for a warrior. I moved away from NM a while ago but still have some dungeons left to do other wise its hard mode from here on in.
Now im not sure if i should post this in the heros forum or warrior but ill post here in-case.
P.S. I can run axe, hammer, sword or scythe and have every hero so there are no limitations except i only have the one account to i usually H/H everything.

Any help is appreciated along with any builds that you run yourself and find that they work well.

Kerwyn Nasilan · May 29, 2009, 12:38 PM // 12:38

Sabway works well with a warrior, and yeah Discord rocks socks but war is probally the worst profession to use it.

Squishy ftw · May 29, 2009, 01:54 PM // 13:54

When I use h/h on my warrior my normal setup is:

- Necro -> MM with virulence/epidemic normally
- Ele -> Earth ele with ar + splinter (earth skills are usually churning earth, unsteady ground, eruption and ward against melee)
- Para -> This one's build differs a lot depending on the area. Generally he'll run something with stunning strike, barbed speer, blazing spear, anthem of flame, gfty, fgj.

I normally run earth shaker to keep em all in one spot and as you may have noticed, I like conditions.

Nihilim Dhiamara · May 29, 2009, 02:39 PM // 14:39

instead of ap caller i use wariors endurence with "you are all weaklings" ymld and asura scan, works fine on energy and got enough cond and hexes

ac1inferno · May 29, 2009, 04:10 PM // 16:10

Since a Warrior is physical and not a caster, Sabway it. I can never understand why people would suggest Discordway for a Warrior. Its for casters with enough energy regen so they can keep up spamming with the AP caller build. If you don't use the AP caller for Discordway, then you're not using it to it's fullest potential. Then why bother using it at all? Better to take advantage of the physical buffs that Sabway has for you.

Gigashadow · May 29, 2009, 08:41 PM // 20:41

Sabway is a good starting point, but after that, experiment! Skills get buffed and nerfed all the time. A lot of these builds have been around a long time and they still work well as-is, so people don't spend a whole lot of time optimizing them even more for their character, playstyle or current activity. Eventually you'll have a toolbox of various effective characters in your head that you can swap in and out of your H/H team.

For example, I think smiting got a nice boost in PvE after the massive buff to the PvE version of Strength of Honor. Simultaneously, I wasn't that impressed with most of the minion guy's bar, so my minion bomber is now a N/Mo smiter with:

Animate Bone Minions
Death Nova
Smite Hex
Smite Condition
Strength of Honor
Reversal of Damage
Foul Feast
Empathic Removal

It's nice having both dragon slash and sun and moon slash doing 100 damage to HM targets, or auto-attacking for over 30 instead of around 8 on high armored targets.

For your warrior, I run this everywhere except for HM dungeons (in those I sometimes replace Finish Him with Pain Inverter depending on what the final boss is like):

Brawling Headbutt
Finish Him!
Dragon Slash
Sun and Moon Slash
Save Yourselves!
Flail
Enraging Charge
For Great Justice!

Make sure one of your heroes has splinter weapon, it really is a ridiculous spell. If you're running sabway, I believe it's put on the N/Rt healer.

marmar256 · May 29, 2009, 10:50 PM // 22:50

Thanks for all the help so far. I am going to try that smite MM bar myself today and see if i like it.
So i guess its sabway ftw? I guess i will have to begin experimenting myself and see what i like to use. Thanks for the suggestions so far and keep em coming!

To make it easier to critisie here is what i usually run:
Depending on the area i experiment with God mode, a HB gimmick, a quivering blade setup and earth shaker sometimes.
N/Rt healer: Xinraes, splinter, mend body and soul, spirit light, PwK, life, SoLS and DPS or FomF
N/Mo MM: Jagged bones, bone minions, death nova, blood of the master, aegis, PS, SoLS and rebirth
N/Rt SS: SS, reckless haste, enfeebling blood, barbs, MoP, weaken armour (i run body blow for deep wound), SoLS and a DPS or FomF.

Hope that makes it a little easier

Gigashadow · May 29, 2009, 11:39 PM // 23:39

I changed up my curses necro quite a bit over time. I didn't find Weaken Armor that useful; in theory it's amazing, -20ar is something like 41% more base damage, right? The thing is, the necro spends a fair amount of his time casting it, but the amount of base (non- armor ignoring) damage you and your minions do is actually pitiful anyway. On a warrior, your unbuffed auto-attacks hit for something like 8-10 damage on a HM target, and the minions for probably less than that, so 41% more on that number isn't much to write home about.

I also used to have Body Blow for synergy with it, but found that after the initial target, most of the time cracked armor never seemed to actually be on my target, even if I called what I was attacking, so it would never trigger the deep wound. Maybe you have noticed this as well? Weaken armor, despite being theoretically awesome, ended up taking up a lot of the guy's cast time and not really putting out.

Some people like Reckless haste, I personally don't because I think it's quite expensive for what it does. You're paying 15e to give them a 50% miss chance for ~11 seconds, which I felt was really not worth it at all.

My curses necro specs into protection for aegis, protective spirit, and shield of absorption (the latter pretty much instantly kills any pressure on a target, and can basically absorb an infinite amount of damage for a short while as long as nobody strips it, great against annoying charr ranger groups that will otherwise spike you down). A user-controllable protective spirit is quite useful, although you'll probably want to leave it disabled outside of bosses.

Anyway, just some suggestions for you to experiment with.

marmar256 · May 29, 2009, 11:51 PM // 23:51

Yeah thanks again, i usually swith up my curses necro alot as i find that although they are a quite nice edition to the team the job can be done with virtually any other proffesion as well. I change him out for a Me/Mo for RoJ sometimes for fun.

I agree with the cracked armour deal with body blow it is never on who i want it to be and yeah with those stats i see it isnt that worth while. Reckless haste i also see your point, its good when used correctly but when on a hero most of the time it wont be.
Thanks for those tips again giga.

Now keep em coming guys......please.

Paul Dawg · May 30, 2009, 02:12 PM // 14:12

I don't think you need [rebirth] on your MM. I have [putrid bile] in there instead.

Also, with the massive buff to [strength and honor (pve)], I've experimented with changing his /Mo spec from prot to smite, and put in [strength and honor (pve)] and [scourge healing] instead of [aegis (pve)] and [protective spirit]. The benefit is obvious: as a war, you're going to do a lot more damage if he maintains [strength and honor (pve)] on you, even at only 9 smite, and [scourge healing] is a nice little skill that helps wipe out healers. The disadvantage, however, is not obvious but serious enough to make me reconsider: you don't realize how much you miss [aegis (pve)] until you don't have it anymore. It's kinda like an old girlfriend.

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Originally Posted by marmar256

N/Mo MM: Jagged bones, bone minions, death nova, blood of the master, aegis, PS, SoLS and rebirth

Xenomortis · May 30, 2009, 04:20 PM // 16:20

A minion master is always nice. I hero with Bone Minions, Death Nova and some support skills suffices. Empathic Removal I find quite attractive at the moment.
An orders hero is an option, as is a hero with Strength of Honor. Not entirely sure if it's worth it on a warrior, but it'll work.
Some sort of healer/protter is necessary. A N/Rt is ok as they have strong energy management. An E/Mo with ER also works very well and they seldom run out of energy - give them Spirit Bond and Prot spirit along with Infuse and some heals or Aegis and you'll be fine.

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

Some people like Reckless haste, I personally don't because I think it's quite expensive for what it does. You're paying 15e to give them a 50% miss chance for ~11 seconds, which I felt was really not worth it at all.

Reckless Haste causes 50% of incoming attacks from the affected enemies to miss. That's like a 10-12 second Aegis on a 12 second recharge. It also diverts a lot of threatening hex removal and relieves some of the pressure off your hero/henchmen healers.
If you don't bring it, at least bring Enfeebling Blood.

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Originally Posted by marmar256

N/Rt healer: Xinraes, splinter, mend body and soul, spirit light, PwK, life, SoLS and DPS or FomF
N/Mo MM: Jagged bones, bone minions, death nova, blood of the master, aegis, PS, SoLS and rebirth
N/Rt SS: SS, reckless haste, enfeebling blood, barbs, MoP, weaken armour (i run body blow for deep wound), SoLS and a DPS or FomF.

The whole N/Rt healer thing is something I rarely bother with anymore. They have too little in the way of prots for my liking. But, they work and have no energy problems (which is a good thing).
I would suggest replacing Jagged Bones for something like Empathic Removal on the MM. Your setup currently includes no hex removal, having Empathic Removal will fix that.
The curses build looks solid for a hero (I don't much like SS, but that's not important). The AI isn't too intelligent with MoP, but never mind.

Ghen · May 30, 2009, 08:38 PM // 20:38

you tank + 3 SF heroes
corrected , now stfu

Xenomortis · May 30, 2009, 09:14 PM // 21:14

I'm curious as to how you manage to take 4 heroes when everyone else is limited to 3. Please, tell us how you pull this off.
Also, tanking is a fairly degenerate form of play that achieves little beyond specialised farming groups, and Searing Flames leaves a lot to be desired.

marmar256 · May 30, 2009, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Thanks for the help guys and please dont flame at eachother.
I changed my SS and MM's builds to the ones giga shadow recommended so far they are working nicely. The MM has empathetic removal which i like as i now have hex removal in the team and SoH for myself from the same guy.
Xeno: i was wondering what elite you take rather than SS for your curses hero? Also i micro MoP for the best effect and it is really only used when i run my HB gimmicks.

Also for my curses hero i take enfeebling blood and used to take reckless haste so which one i better? currently i am using enfeebling blood what would you take?

Anyways thanks for all the posts so far guys and keep em coming.
P.S. Gigashadow i like your DSlash build XD

Xenomortis · May 30, 2009, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by marmar256

Xeno: i was wondering what elite you take rather than SS for your curses hero? Also i micro MoP for the best effect and it is really only used when i run my HB gimmicks.

Also for my curses hero i take enfeebling blood and used to take reckless haste so which

I tend to only play on my necro, so I don't bother with a curses hero (and I don't take SS). If I were to take a curses hero... I might try experimenting to see how well they perform with Assassin's Promise, but otherwise it would probably be SS or Soul Bind (if I even take a curses hero).

If you can take both Enfeebling Blood and RH, that's best. If you have to pick, it depends on the area. If you need an AoE cover hex, RH is best. EB is much nice on energy though.

TalanRoarer · May 30, 2009, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

so I don't bother with a curses hero (and I don't take SS). If I were to take a curses hero... I might try experimenting to see how well they perform with Assassin's Promise, but otherwise it would probably be SS or Soul Bind (if I even take a curses hero).

Tried running MoP nuke on a hero once.. didnt go down too well. I am in agreement with XM here, curses heroes are generally bad.

What i normally take when playing warrior are the following:
P/W -SoR
P/W - DA
both Paragons have physical boosting effects like GFTE and Anthem of envy, with burning refrain and ToF stuck in aswell.
N/Rt - Orders or Mb (depending on area) If im taking Orders ill usually run N/Rt with a few weapon spells and Well of power as the elite.

OR i sometimes run with:
N/Mo Minion Bomber (with empathetic removal or Divert hexes as elite)
N/Rt Orders (same as above)
P/W SoR with Anthem of Envy and GFTE.

If you want the full builds, pm me or something, couldnt be too fussed to stick em all on here

Trader of Secrets · May 30, 2009, 11:03 PM // 23:03

an alternate build to use with discords is Dslash with SY.

I Is Special · Jun 01, 2009, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by BenC777

Tried running MoP nuke on a hero once.. didnt go down too well. I am in agreement with XM here, curses heroes are generally bad.

This.

And that's all i got to say 'bout that.

Snow Bunny · Jun 01, 2009, 07:56 PM // 19:56

Just run a motigon, a commandagon, and a N/Rt Orders with splinter weapon.

Done.

Daesu · Jun 01, 2009, 11:59 PM // 23:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenomortis

I tend to only play on my necro, so I don't bother with a curses hero (and I don't take SS). If I were to take a curses hero... I might try experimenting to see how well they perform with Assassin's Promise, but otherwise it would probably be SS or Soul Bind (if I even take a curses hero).

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenC777

Tried running MoP nuke on a hero once.. didnt go down too well. I am in agreement with XM here, curses heroes are generally bad.

He is not saying that "curses heroes are generally bad". He said he tends to only play on his necro, so he doesn't need to bring a curses hero as that would be redundant, for a curse necro character.

Also as a physical damage character, you can take lots of physical damage buffs but I would also prefer to bring good hex removal, good condition removal, anti-blocking, in my team.