Curse

Racthoh · Jun 30, 2009, 10:35 PM // 22:35

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Originally Posted by dusanyu

Pblock Norgu wins games

example Terrorweb Dryders only use Fire Magic spells in gate of pain Norgu Pblocks them and no God mode 250 Damage Meteor showers or any other skills for a enough time to turn it into hamburger

Fact: a Good Mesmer can be More powerful than any PvE only skill

Spear Swipe on a paragon will do the same thing.

Paul Dawg · Jul 01, 2009, 12:45 AM // 00:45

The problem with spear swipe is that it has melee range. It used to be a staple in my paras' bars, but I've seen them screw up too many battles with it by leaving their position (not to mention that they often waste it on melee foes--and there goes your 20-second recharge). Now I rely on stunning strike for daze.

And...the PI debate rears its ugly head once more! I personally consider the debate totally stale; PI is one of the best skills in the entire game, and absolutely indispensable for hero-henching. EVAS? Pocket sins are cute, but they're the kind of thing I want SOMEONE ELSE to bring.

Edited to add: I have to say that I was playing around with tease today and my verdict is...heroes are horrible at it. They should be spamming that puppy on recharge. Most of the time, I had to manual it.

REDdelver · Jul 02, 2009, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by traversc

Things shouldn't be living long enough for PI to do ANYTHING at all. You knocklock with YMLAD and EVAS and then it dies in <1 seconds. The fact that things are living long enough for PI to do something means you are killing very slow. And even if you wanted to let something live longer, you could combo with MoP and EVAS will do easily ~100-200 AoE damage, while PI will always be single target damage. What's more, with PI, you'd need to either bring more prots/heals to live or let your minion wall get demolished for PI to work, which then means you need to bring more prots/heals, anyway.

You are the one who is lost. I've shown you reasons why PI is inferior, but your entier response, you are saying is essentially: "im uber, u suck, watch me roll pve, noob."

Logic works.

Sure, PI will be useful for areas like Frostmaws, but the fact is, 99% of the time, EVAS is better.

You know what also works????

Addressing the issue without arguing with someone about something that person even isnt arguing with you about. Follow that??????

If you follow logic like you proclaim to do. My orginal thought about PI .....is viable. NO WHERE did I even say that your way was wrong...or in your words "im uber, u suck, watch me roll pve, noob." So I'm not sure what you really are arguing. To the contrary, it is YOU that is saying my thoughts suck hence ...."im uber, u suck, watch me roll pve, noob."

I simply gave one possible reason why people might not use "too many" interrupts.

This was not a thread about how to kill the quickest. (your claim = <1second) I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YMLAD/EVAS not doing alot of damage.

I KNOW IT DOES ALOT OF DAMAGE. I know if you run high damage builds, you really dont need interrupts.

But i also know that my first post is true. If you use AP/PI(and whatever else) You dont want INTERRUPTS working against PI. IF you cast PI on the correct foe with correct spacing(ie MM standing forward of the rest of hench)....then PI almost always kills target when it uses one skill. If not, then its dead a sec after. And to the effect of the minion walls exploding? THats how i use my minions. Who needs minions whens theres just going to be 4-6 fresh corpses.....thus 10 more fresh minions. OR are we back on LOGIC again.

IF the way i use my skills didnt work.....then i wouldnt use it. NOTICE I still havent said YMLAD/EVAS/AP doesnt work or its sucks. IF you cant stick to the subject of the thread ....then who is lost? The only reason why I'm off subject is cuz you attacked me and took it off subject.

Painbringer · Jul 02, 2009, 03:34 PM // 15:34

Not sure more mesmer hate probably

Honestly I bring gwen for UW farming she ownes with power block and Mirror of Disenchantment.

Racthoh · Jul 02, 2009, 07:06 PM // 19:06

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Originally Posted by Paul Dawg

The problem with spear swipe is that it has melee range. It used to be a staple in my paras' bars, but I've seen them screw up too many battles with it by leaving their position (not to mention that they often waste it on melee foes--and there goes your 20-second recharge).

It's a disable and use when necessary skill for those reasons. However it's a non-elite source of dazed that falls into a strong attribute line so the two equal out.

Tenebrae · Jul 02, 2009, 10:31 PM // 22:31

Interrupts on heroes are ALWAYS great. Great on Mesmers to do damage and great on Healers to get energy back ( and by Healers i dont mean a N/Rt ) , with leech signet and power drain any healer/prot set to defend will do the work against caster foes.
About PI against EVA , its pretty clear that EVA wins by far , just because is bloody usefull for many things and PI only works great on HM to certain type of foes under a certain type of circumstances .... in those cases ( less than 15% of the times i think ) PI wins.

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Spear Swipe on a paragon will do the same thing.

Dear god , i really hope you are not comparing PBlock to Spear Swipe effects and usefulness.

Racthoh · Jul 02, 2009, 11:27 PM // 23:27

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Dear god , i really hope you are not comparing PBlock to Spear Swipe effects and usefulness.

Are you arguing Power Block is stronger or Spear Swipe is?

REDdelver · Jul 03, 2009, 05:52 AM // 05:52

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Interrupts on heroes are ALWAYS great. Great on Mesmers to do damage and great on Healers to get energy back ( and by Healers i dont mean a N/Rt ) , with leech signet and power drain any healer/prot set to defend will do the work against caster foes.
About PI against EVA , its pretty clear that EVA wins by far , just because is bloody usefull for many things and PI only works great on HM to certain type of foes under a certain type of circumstances .... in those cases ( less than 15% of the times i think ) PI wins.

Dear god , i really hope you are not comparing PBlock to Spear Swipe effects and usefulness.

ILL say this once again for those who seem to be confused.

The "argument" back and forth about PI and EVAS.....ISNT an argument on which is better. SO DROP IT ALREADY!!!! I never compared PI and EVAS nor do I want to. Personally I dont use EVAS that much, because I run a warrior as my main character. If I used a caster, then i probably would use it.

IF you want to start a thread on which is better...............then start a thread already. There is no reason in this thread to talk about which is better.

FoxBat · Jul 03, 2009, 06:02 AM // 06:02

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Dear god , i really hope you are not comparing PBlock to Spear Swipe effects and usefulness.

You're right, pblock costs an elite slot and can't be epidemic'd.

bj91x · Jul 03, 2009, 06:08 AM // 06:08

So many of my hero builds don't include interrupts because so many areas don't need interrupts.

If the enemies are using skills that I can prot/heal through without a problem, I'd rather focus on more damage. The only time my damage dealers take interrupts is if they can spare a skill or two for utility purposes without sacrificing DPS. The only time I take an actual interrupter is if the mission/quest/whatever I'll be doing demands it (which is rare).

zwei2stein · Jul 03, 2009, 07:06 AM // 07:06

In PvE, best way to interrupt foe is to kill him.

AtomicMew · Jul 03, 2009, 08:23 AM // 08:23

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Originally Posted by REDdelver

NO WHERE did I even say that your way was wrong...or in your words "im uber, u suck, watch me roll pve..."

OH WAIT. Quote:"Seems like you're terribly lost. Oh wait you dont watch me roll through areas and "tougher" mobs/foes......"
Oh wait, indeed.

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I simply gave one possible reason why people might not use "too many" interrupts. ...My orginal thought about PI .....is viable.

No. Triple warrior is viable. Proph-skills only is viable. The issue at hand is not whether something is viable, but whether it is good. You however, listed pain inverter as a reason to "not bring too many interrupts." If, as you say, you are not in disagreement that EVAS is superior the large majority of the time, then it follows that the majority of the time, your reasoning has no merit.

So let me ask you to be clear, do you agree that EVAS is better most of the time?

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...cuz you attacked me...

No. Stop right there. I stated that your reasoning was terrible. I never stated that you are terrible/bad/stupid etc. Learn the difference.

Super Igor · Jul 03, 2009, 11:56 AM // 11:56

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Originally Posted by ferv0r

I usually put plenty of interrupt skills on my heroes. I bring one hero packed full of interrupts (and Discord or lots of Domination to deal damage). Sometimes I scatter inspiration interrupts (and maybe power return) among the heroes for interrupt and energy management. Dragging along the one 'interrupt' henchman is usually not enough to avoid getting splattered by multiple AoE's.

I've been trying various popular hero build teams, like discordway, sabway, racway, etc...and getting destroyed in some areas. A few mobs casting AoE's on my team is enough to wreck them. If I had my usual interrupt hero along, she'd shut them down and it would have been a cakewalk.

How are you guys playing without interrupts...especially in hard mode?

People dont run interrupts because killing shit is beter than shutting it down, simple as dat!

I run common Discord with my sin, knock-lock from the call alongside basic target selection skillz will ensure youre not going to be annoyed by anything nasty.
Sometimes, I will get hit by aoe but a quick PWK drop for instant 125 partyheal (then they recast and might drop it again + life can die so it's another hundred'ish heal arso) solves it. Same effort as standing there and interrupting but you also score kills.

Unreal Havoc · Jul 03, 2009, 12:50 PM // 12:50

If I don't run Discordway (which is rare) then I take Gwen as an Illusion interruptor and generally run something like this.

Frustration
Signet of Clumsiness
Wandering Eye
Clumsiness
Web of Disruption
Signet of Twilight
Assassins Promise
Resurrection Signet

Super Igor · Jul 03, 2009, 01:58 PM // 13:58

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Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc

If I don't run Discordway (which is rare) then I take Gwen as an Illusion interruptor and generally run something like this.

Frustration
Signet of Clumsiness
Wandering Eye
Clumsiness
Web of Disruption
Signet of Twilight
Assassins Promise
Resurrection Signet

Does Clumsiness ect. effect trigger frustration? If it does it makes a pretty hawt combo, too bad Frustration is single target though. :P

Unreal Havoc · Jul 03, 2009, 02:45 PM // 14:45

As long as the target you cast Frustration on is interrupted it should cause damage.

Paul Dawg · Jul 04, 2009, 08:51 AM // 08:51

I find that heroes seriously suck at using assassin's promise, but OK.

Super Igor · Jul 04, 2009, 09:34 AM // 09:34

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Originally Posted by Paul Dawg

I find that heroes seriously suck at using assassin's promise, but OK.

They cast AP when target is at very low hp, problem is it gets killed before they can cast AP. :x

Unreal Havoc · Jul 04, 2009, 12:20 PM // 12:20

Just run a different elite if you find problems with it. In hex heavy areas I'll throw on Expel Hexes etc.

Mesmers shouldn't be having massive issues with Assassins Promise due to Fast Casting, and you can always micro it if needs be.

Shadowphoenix · Jul 04, 2009, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Does Clumsiness ect. effect trigger frustration? If it does it makes a pretty hawt combo, too bad Frustration is single target though. :P

Well if you want a multiple target version of Frustration you can always have Arcane Conundrum but you won't have the damage like frustration does, it is a matter of personal opinion: single target interruption plus damage vs. multiple interruption and cero damage, your choice