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Hikaru Hamatsu · Aug 20, 2009, 08:09 AM // 08:09

Hey I was just wondering is using discordway on a monk as efficient as the other classes and what build is better suited for the player heal/prot/smite or ap caller and what changes are needed to make it as good as ele or mesmer.

**Marty Silverblade** · Aug 20, 2009, 08:29 AM // 08:29

It's efficient; you've got 4 energy pips and ok-ish energy management so there aren't any problems there. People say it's better to run discord on an offensive character, since calling makes it a lot better, but I don't know if thats true (if it is, then ap caller would be better than typical monk heal/prot roles)

paranon · Aug 20, 2009, 08:48 AM // 08:48

monk can definitely still run it just as well as other classes. They can easily run the AP caller build (booooooooring), however i prefer to run a woh hybrid with these hero bars:

N/Me - OAVEIYlGerEz1xe8JIidoBcA
Discord
Enfeeble
Insidious Parasite
Weaken Armor
Shadow of Fear
Enfeebling Blood
Empathy
Backfire

N/Mo - OANDUspNOxspQVAPgG+iGN0I
Discord
Animate Bone Horror
Animate Bone Minions
Blood of the Master
Death Nova
Karei's Healing Circle
Dwayna's Sorrow
Resurrection Chant

N/Rt - OAhkUwG4RGWUMzRVZglgdgC4nwFD
Discord
Animate Shambling Horror
Barbs
Mark of Pain
Enfeebling Blood
Putrid Bile
Weaken Armor
Flesh of My Flesh

They tend to take care of themselves, all i do is call a target and they go down pretty fast.

i usually play these builds with a healer/prot henchman, 2 elementalist henchmen and either a mesmer or warrior henchman.

Hikaru Hamatsu · Aug 20, 2009, 08:54 AM // 08:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by paranon

monk can definitely still run it just as well as other classes. They can easily run the AP caller build (booooooooring), however i prefer to run a woh hybrid with these hero bars:

N/Me - OAVEIYlGerEz1xe8JIidoBcA
Discord
Enfeeble
Insidious Parasite
Weaken Armor
Shadow of Fear
Enfeebling Blood
Empathy
Backfire

N/Mo - OANDUspNOxspQVAPgG+iGN0I
Discord
Animate Bone Horror
Animate Bone Minions
Blood of the Master
Death Nova
Karei's Healing Circle
Dwayna's Sorrow
Resurrection Chant

N/Rt - OAhkUwG4RGWUMzRVZglgdgC4nwFD
Discord
Animate Shambling Horror
Barbs
Mark of Pain
Enfeebling Blood
Putrid Bile
Weaken Armor
Flesh of My Flesh

They tend to take care of themselves, all i do is call a target and they go down pretty fast.

i usually play these builds with a healer/prot henchman, 2 elementalist henchmen and either a mesmer or warrior henchman.

Thanks paranon, but what skills could I run with the caller build I know theres AP>YMLaD>EVAS>FH!>?>?>?>? what could I fill the other 4 spaces with? smite spells? heals? I spose I could run a few basic smiting skills

Faure · Aug 20, 2009, 08:57 AM // 08:57

As a monk I would suggest taking Assassins Promise, You move like a dwarf, finish him and something else pveish. Then some support skills (like smite condition etc, or even some prots/heals).
In this situation you will be supplying both an hex and condition, so the necro's can spam Discord right away. You won't run out of energy because of AP, and all of your skills are recharged.
Works for my monk

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paranon · Aug 20, 2009, 09:10 AM // 09:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hikaru Hamatsu

Thanks paranon, but what skills could I run with the caller build I know theres AP>YMLaD>EVAS>FH!>?>?>?>? what could I fill the other 4 spaces with? smite spells? heals? I spose I could run a few basic smiting skills

Personally i find the AP caller build boring as hell to run, as i have enjoyed monking in pve and pvp pretty much since the game came out, so sitting spamming 1234 is kinda... meh. so i run Unyielding aura/word of healing usually. The Hero builds i pinged are quite capable of killing stuff on their own.

its perfectly up to you, but in my opinion you will get more out of the game by running a decent healer build than an AP caller.

Horace Slughorn · Aug 20, 2009, 09:17 AM // 09:17

If you want to A/P and still feel like you are monking, bring aegis and you can be a 1-man aegis chain.

paranon · Aug 20, 2009, 09:21 AM // 09:21

again, i would just get bored out of my skull :P

prey monkie · Aug 20, 2009, 10:38 AM // 10:38

bring echo roj + mindbender + 40/40 smite
fast casting now + aoe condition. most of the time my hero's do the hexes + discord themselfs works fine for me. but u can take ether nighmare ofcourse, only prob is slow cast time. but discord has hexes + discord pwns anyway?

BrettM · Aug 20, 2009, 10:48 AM // 10:48

I like to carry at least one spare hex (Enduring Toxin) to use as a cover for foes with hex removal. There are times when a foe doesn't go down fast enough or manages to remove AP, leaving your calling sequence stuck until things recharge. It's good to have some spare hexes and/or conditions you can throw when that happens.

I would probably not take EVAS on a monk caller bar. I find it has to be used carefully even on my ele with GoLE and an energy pool of 90, so I fear it would have a serious impact on the energy of a monk. Find something useful with a lower energy cost.

However, while my ele loves his discord team, I've never set one up for my monk. He much prefers his smiting team, which is nearly as effective as discord in most areas and more effective in any area with undead.

Tharg · Aug 20, 2009, 01:15 PM // 13:15

on my monk I run AP, YMLAD, Sniper's support, Finish Him as base. This chain takes 35 energy. Since monks don't have a lot of energy (compared to eles for instance) I take three smiting signets: castigation, bane and rage.

I have also started to use Mark of Death (also Deadly Arts, same as AP) right after AP. It's fast (1/4 sec), it's a cover for AP in case of hex removal and it helps kill the target faster since the target received much less healing. It's particularly effective when you have a monk boss around.

But yeah, pushing 1 2 3 4 becomes boring. On the other hand, you are not running Discordway because you need a challenge, you are running it because you want the job done as fast as you can...

remicks · Aug 20, 2009, 02:50 PM // 14:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by tvalentijn

on my monk I run AP, YMLAD, Sniper's support, Finish Him as base. This chain takes 35 energy. Since monks don't have a lot of energy (compared to eles for instance) I take three smiting signets: castigation, bane and rage.

I have also started to use Mark of Death (also Deadly Arts, same as AP) right after AP. It's fast (1/4 sec), it's a cover for AP in case of hex removal and it helps kill the target faster since the target received much less healing. It's particularly effective when you have a monk boss around.

But yeah, pushing 1 2 3 4 becomes boring. On the other hand, you are not running Discordway because you need a challenge, you are running it because you want the job done as fast as you can...

+1 on the fast comment, all you really need is YMLAD!+AP and you are set for Dway no problem. If you want to have more fun i would suggest running Mo/A and using some offensive smiting skills + deadly arts skills to assist the team (even though they don't need it). I run Dway on my monk to get him where he needs to go in a hurry, but if i am playing for fun i tend to shy away from sab/dway and go with a mixed bag of H/H just for the lulz

moon sunstar · Aug 20, 2009, 03:14 PM // 15:14

I recently build a discord team & considered what to use for the 4 optional skills on the pvxwiki build website

I added :

1) enduring toxin - as this was recommended as a cover hex
2) signet of deadly corruption - seemed like it fitted in well
3) smite hex - monk support & AoE damage
4) smite condition - monk support & AoE damage

If u need energy management then I'd use castigation signet instead of one of the last 2 above

from what I read its mainly bosses that dont die with the first 4 skills so choosing big damage skills to help kill the bosses would be a good idea

regards

Zzes Tyan · Aug 20, 2009, 03:43 PM // 15:43

EVAS is good with AP, you can keep 5+ up if you kill fast enough. The only thing that makes a Sin/Necro/Mes better than a monk AP caller is extra cover hexes for removal heavy areas, on my sin i run AP, YMLaD, EVAS, Mindbender, Enfeeble, Parasitic Bond, Dash, and Disrupting Dagger, allowing for exra cover hexes/condis

-Will Farm For Gold- · Aug 21, 2009, 07:22 AM // 07:22

I myself do not find AP calling too boring because you are killing monsters so fast you have to switch targets quite a bit. Your best best is the AP caller if you're a Monk.

A great standard Discordway caller build is Assassin's Promise, You Move Like A Dwarf, Pain Inverter and Finish Him or maybe Ebon Vanguard Assassins Support. So you would have to go Mo/Me. I've seen lots of people use those 4 skills and then throw in some of there own. I would use a few smite skills or maybe a condition remover. The heroes will do pretty good themselves but the caller needs to throw down some conditions and hexes on them so Discord can do what it does. Kind of like what everyone else says... Just remember that each territory needs different skills to get the job done right. Lots of players don't change builds between different areas but it is essential for Hard Mode. Discord is great but it can't beat the game for you. It takes a good player/caller too.

paranon · Aug 21, 2009, 09:12 AM // 09:12

mmm, i seem to be outnumbered in my hatred of that build O.o

Just bear in mind that with different hero builds you can run whatever you want and discord will still kill everything in sight.

Faure · Aug 21, 2009, 09:43 AM // 09:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by paranon

mmm, i seem to be outnumbered in my hatred of that build O.o

Just bear in mind that with different hero builds you can run whatever you want and discord will still kill everything in sight.

Well I do agree with you. But healing NPC's is imo even more boring. So when I'm H/H I'd rather do something actively and lead, instead of trying to get my H/H to attack something while I try to stay in the backline.

The forth fly · Aug 21, 2009, 11:21 AM // 11:21

on my monk i got legendary Guardian using Discord,Ran AP caller took 1 res and rest prot skills