Curse

Nihilim Dhiamara · Jun 06, 2009, 09:34 PM // 21:34

if you want discord do something like [assasin's promise][you move like a dwarf][finish him][pain inverter]...
put 12 deadly arts,12expertise
with ap you should have enough energy to spam ymlad en finish him with ap on every target

Chthon · Jun 06, 2009, 09:35 PM // 21:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

Look, my point being is that this dungeon can't be done in HM with h/h. If I can't do it with Discordway, then nothing can.

1. It can be done with H+H. I did it.

2. Discordway is far from the strongest build out there in general, and it's particularly poorly suited to this dungeon.

3. This dungeon is so easy in NM that you don't notice the features of the ooze "life cycle" that you need to know to manage HM. Let me help:
a. Volatile Oozes will kill you in HM unless you have serious damage-mitigation in place ahead of time. They are the biggest obstacle to survival.
b. Volatile Oozes pop up near normal ooze groups.
c. Volatile Oozes can usually be pulled away from normal oozes.
d. Ooze Devourers convert dead oozes into Volatile Oozes, and do so very rapidly in HM. Giving a Devourer a chance to do that is a very big mistake.

If the heroes-do-all-the-work mindlessness of discordway hasn't completely rotted your brain, you should be able devise a way of mitigating the damage from the volatile oozes, and the rest isn't so hard.

Burst Cancel · Jun 06, 2009, 09:49 PM // 21:49

I don't know why you guys are even responding, the guy is clearly trolling.

ajc2123 · Jun 06, 2009, 09:57 PM // 21:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

Look, my point being is that this dungeon can't be done in HM with h/h. If I can't do it with Discordway, then nothing can.

So many things wrong with this sentence.

Try running...I dunno...something OTHER then premade builds? I hear there are many other heroes to try out. could be wrong.

Jeydra · Jun 06, 2009, 10:04 PM // 22:04

Buddy ...

Discordway may be strong and universal, but there is one definite time when it fails: a lack of bodies. Are there lots of bodies in Ooze Pit? I didn't think so! Run something else. The dungeon is not hard, the mobs have so much less staying power than the balanced Charr or Stone Summit teams in Rragar's and Vloxen's.

subarucar · Jun 07, 2009, 01:10 AM // 01:10

Minions are a part of the D-way setup, without corpse exploitation, you have no meat shields, less energy management, and less damage.
Also with D-way, you need to be able to apply a condition and a hex, if running D-way on my ranger i use the generic AP caller.

Anyway, learn to play, if you spec your heroes to the required area, you can always beat it more easily/faster than D-way. D-way is just a generic setup that can manage MOST areas without to much trouble.

AtomicMew · Jun 07, 2009, 06:02 PM // 18:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chthon

1. It can be done with H+H. I did it.

2. Discordway is far from the strongest build out there in general, and it's particularly poorly suited to this dungeon.

3. This dungeon is so easy in NM that you don't notice the features of the ooze "life cycle" that you need to know to manage HM. Let me help:
a. Volatile Oozes will kill you in HM unless you have serious damage-mitigation in place ahead of time. They are the biggest obstacle to survival.
b. Volatile Oozes pop up near normal ooze groups.
c. Volatile Oozes can usually be pulled away from normal oozes.
d. Ooze Devourers convert dead oozes into Volatile Oozes, and do so very rapidly in HM. Giving a Devourer a chance to do that is a very big mistake.

If the heroes-do-all-the-work mindlessness of discordway hasn't completely rotted your brain, you should be able devise a way of mitigating the damage from the volatile oozes, and the rest isn't so hard.

Stop spewing BS when you haven't even tested it. Discordway DOES work for this dungeon. You're right, discord is not the best build for this and most dungeons (a build tailored to the dungeon is), but straight up discord works for MOST places and is simply the fastest in low to mid end VQs.

I did Ooze Pit in HM with straight up discordway with no problem at all. The only trouble I had was at the boss, but that's because I didn't bother to wiki. It's true, triple necro is not ideal here, because minions were not ideal here, but it does WORK. That's just a tribute to how strong the build is.

Shadowphoenix · Jun 07, 2009, 06:29 PM // 18:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

I was doing the z-bounty that involves me going into the Ooze Pits and come into the conclusion that it is impossible in HM. I was trying to do this without using any consumables whatsoever and was using Discordway, which is supposed to be a universal build to use in HM (and my henchies were Talon Silverwnig, Eve, Mhenlo, and Lina). The problem being is that I keep getting wiped so many times, mostly because of Volatile Oozes popping out of nowhere. Pulling is nearly impossible in HM and the enemy AI is always smarter than the h/h AI in HM. Therefore this dungeon is impossible in HM with using h/h.

EDIT: I was using a ranger using [broad head arrow] and [pain inverter]. The purpose of that is to keep the Earthbind Oozes dazed and have the boss kill itself with it's AoE damage.

Discordway on Ooze Pit?? LOL at you because if you did it in NM you know better that this dungeon in particular lack in corpses so there is something call COMMON SENSE and it is possible to do the dungeon without consumibles and without discordway the key of that dungeon is patience + pulling = FTW

and here is my proof of how I made the dungeon without cons and without discordway gw282.jpg , shit happens when you try to kill prismatic ooze plus the ones that pop-up when you defeat one prismatic so LOL at impossible the dungeon in HM

nightcreeper · Jun 07, 2009, 07:21 PM // 19:21

Ooze Pit is one of the easiest dungeons. But I find out what were you doing wrong.

1. You think Discordway is the Omnipotent build when it doesn't.
2. Do some homework instead of going shopping builds at PVX.
3. If you did Ooze pit in Normal Mode you got first hand knowledge and got an idea what to wait in Hard Mode.
4. Your build honestly suck, my main is a Ranger and when i saw that build i almost die of a heart attack. What do you expect to interrupt so hard? kuunavang, glint, the great destroyer? to get 3 interupts plus Broad Head Arrow plus apply poison(no flesh foes), besides if you expect to kill foes with PI then why daze them or interupt them, plus no self healing. LOL P.S. (one last thing, How many times your energy drop to zero?)

Dude delete your ranger and switch to another profession before you hurt yourself and those around you and if not delete Guild Wars and move to another MMO according to your IQ.

Ensign · Jun 07, 2009, 07:55 PM // 19:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by traversc

straight up discord works for MOST places and is simply the fastest in low to mid end VQs.

The second part of that is not true. Discord heroes do work for most places, but it is not noteworthy for it's speed. The primary benefit of Discord heroes is that it relies very little on the player and tends to just overwhelm most content. It has a huge margin for error so you don't have to think too hard to win.

For almost every zone there's something better, and depending on your own ability, much faster; but if you can just take the discord Necros and win without putting much effort into it, who cares?

Coney · Jun 07, 2009, 08:08 PM // 20:08

L2Search the forums before asserting nonsense about impossibilities. There's a couple threads out there with suggestions - I got through it fine HM H/H. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10213832

I think discord isn't the greatest for this dungeon as it requires taking targets down 1 at a time. However, you encounter lots of large mobs that grow larger (!), yet stay more-or-less balled up. Better to bring AOE damage and AOE interruption, [barrage] and [warmonger's weapon] works wonders (as do [splinter weapon] and [mark of pain]), along with [ward against elements]/[ward against harm]. How about something like [deep freeze][maelstrom] (sounds like an Ele hero might work here)? [ebon vanguard assassin support] as initial attack might help keep them immobilized while initiating massive AOE, followed perhaps (or replaced?) by [tryptophan signet].

It's been a while since I did this dungeon, but I remember it was very quick - semi-careful pulling, and the mobs were dead pretty fast. The hardest part was the end - I set up about 2 aggro circles away and tried pulling 1 by one and calling targets.

UnChosen · Jun 07, 2009, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Well....discordway AND sabway sucks in this dungeon because there's no corpse! No amount of modding will let those 2 builds get through the dungeon easily. Since I hate playing the "careful pulling" game, I did a fevered dream conditionway build...and just rush into a mob and AoE daze + blind + other conditions them all, then all I had to worry about are the volatile oozes.

Another option would be ROJway, although you'll probably die more often.

Just keep tweaking builds, eventually you'll find something that can blow through the dungeon quickly without pulling too much.

MercenaryKnight · Jun 07, 2009, 11:30 PM // 23:30

RoJway with someone spamming save yourselves should work wonders. Then again just about anything with save yourselves spammer works.

AtomicMew · Jun 08, 2009, 02:27 AM // 02:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ensign

For almost every zone there's something better...

I'm reading that for every area, there's a build tailored to that specific area which is faster than discordway. While that may be true (and may even be a discord variant), the time it takes to construct such a build more than offsets the time gained from the actual VQ.

If that's not what you're saying, please define "something better," which in context, is an H/H team build that is not only faster, but faster in more areas than discordway.

Paul Dawg · Jun 08, 2009, 02:52 AM // 02:52

I just did it with a three-hero combination of N/Rt resto, command para, and domination mes. (The henches were the two EotN monks, Devona, and Zho.) Wasn't even that hard. The only thing moderately annoying was the aggressive oozes' blocking ability, for which next time I'd probably bring a N/Rt curser with [defile defenses] instead of the domination mesmer.

Don't take on more oozes than you need to, and you'll be fine. Pull as needed. You'll deal with a whole army of little oozes at the end, as you kill the prismatic oozes one by one and they spawn their little offspring, but so what--they're not particularly difficult.

Creeta the Tank · Aug 26, 2009, 11:28 PM // 23:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

Look, my point being is that this dungeon can't be done in HM with h/h. If I can't do it with Discordway, then nothing can.

I just finished with 1 hero, 600 smite ftw HM - bad drops though...

aga · Aug 27, 2009, 12:40 AM // 00:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

Look, my point being is that this dungeon can't be done in HM with h/h. If I can't do it with Discordway, then nothing can.

I almost start crying every time I see someone say "If discord can't do it, nothing can" or somethign to that effect. People can't use their brains anymore? anything can be done with h/h (and yes i do mean without discord...), somethings will undoubtably be harder and require planning, but if you know the game to a decent stanard then it won't be too hard.

Let's takes ooze for an example, they do like to come into melee range, so what's good against foes that do that? AoE/PBAoE? skills like VoR would work wonders, Maelstrom and AoE snares, to deal with the energy draining and Wail of Doom from casters.

**Marty Silverblade** · Aug 27, 2009, 03:34 AM // 03:34

Did this full H/H, HM, no consumables at all. Just some decent pulling, aggro holding, and protting/spiriting and it isn't too hard.

Xenomortis · Aug 27, 2009, 12:36 PM // 12:36

Despite this being more than 2 months old, it got a pointless revival and I note a complete lack of screenies.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

Look, my point being is that this dungeon can't be done in HM with h/h. If I can't do it with Discordway, then nothing can.

A wonderful troll statement that can so easily be proven false.

Took me a little while to get used to the tanking required - flag henchmen and heroes back, micro Prot Spirit and Spirit Bond and take aggro, Heroes and Henchmen nuke.
Ogden was basically a waste of time, he kept dying and Zhed's energy management was poor, but I felt I really needed two copies of Prot Spirit.

I messed up a lot at the start, but eventually managed to work off almost all of the DP by the time I got to the Prismatic Oozes (save Ogden's). With some pulling I managed to kill one and almost wiped at the mob that spawned. Next time I pulled both and couldn't isolate one and kill it (they spammed Gelatinous Absorption too much), so I accidently killed both at the same time with Cry of Pain. Wiped at spawned mob, but after the res it was no problem pulling them one by one to clear the area around the chest.

No cons, though I was tempted to use my Powerstone at times.

Shadowphoenix · Aug 27, 2009, 09:31 PM // 21:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by aga

I almost start crying every time I see someone say "If discord can't do it, nothing can" or somethign to that effect. People can't use their brains anymore? anything can be done with h/h (and yes i do mean without discord...), somethings will undoubtably be harder and require planning, but if you know the game to a decent stanard then it won't be too hard.

Let's takes ooze for an example, they do like to come into melee range, so what's good against foes that do that? AoE/PBAoE? skills like VoR would work wonders, Maelstrom and AoE snares, to deal with the energy draining and Wail of Doom from casters.

QFT nothing more to say about it, this happens when people go to shop builds in PvX instead of being creative and don't want to learn the curve of the game/profession or simply learning the BASICS, you know the BASICS you can do anything in the game.