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Braxton619 · Nov 24, 2009, 02:31 AM // 02:31

Hello guys! I'm sick of Discord-way in Vanquishing and I was hoping to change to more options. Since i'm Assassin, I love to deal heavy physical damage and not call stuff (like you do in discord). My friend who vanquished an area with me used these builds on his heroes. He seemed to not have any trouble whatsoever. Please tell me where to correct.

My build:

Attributes: Critical Strikes 12, Dagger Mastery 12+1+1

My Heroes:

Builds removed. Refer to Update #2 for the updated builds.

All heroes are set to Guard except ER.

Attributes:

1st Hero: Energy Storage: 12+1+3, Healing Prayers: 10, Protection Prayers: 8

2nd Hero: Communing: 12, Channeling Magic: 12+1+1, Restoration Magic: 3

3rd Hero: Soul Reaping: 12, Death Magic: 12+1+1, Protection Prayers: 3

Please tell me where these builds lack and how to correct them. All constructive criticism is accepted.

Thanks

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UPDATE #1
Updated Build: Refer to Update #2 for the builds.
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UPDATE #2
Updated Build: http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8...nshot006or.png
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Xenomortis · Nov 24, 2009, 02:40 AM // 02:40

I am always skeptical of OoU on heroes, but I know people who do it.

Protective Bond is always risky. I wouldn't advocate it's use on heroes. And with Vital Blessing? That just doesn't make sense.
Life Attunement is better.
You also lack a smaller heal.

Spec 12+1+3 Death on the MM.
Should get away with 12+1+2 ES on the Ele.

Braxton619 · Nov 24, 2009, 03:22 AM // 03:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenomortis

I am always skeptical of OoU on heroes, but I know people who do it.

Protective Bond is always risky. I wouldn't advocate it's use on heroes. And with Vital Blessing? That just doesn't make sense.
Life Attunement is better.
You also lack a smaller heal.

Spec 12+1+3 Death on the MM.
Should get away with 12+1+2 ES on the Ele.

How about this on the ER?

iTwilight · Nov 24, 2009, 07:11 AM // 07:11

Last time I checked ER ele infusers take Protective bond? I do not remember this so surely and its easy to micro onto party.
Seems a nice build, now you just need to find the correct set of henchmen (if doing 6-8man areas) to back it up

I was working on something like this myself, although I would probably play another healer or even smite, good job though

majikmajikmajik · Nov 24, 2009, 07:40 AM // 07:40

replace Spirit Rift with Ancestors' Rage.

upier · Nov 24, 2009, 08:10 AM // 08:10

1. Strength of Honor is a must.
Either by dumping Pain and going 12 Chan, 12 Smite on the rit, or lowering the SR on the necro and going 10 in Smite.
I'd also dump Painful Bond in that case.
(I normally fill the leftover slots with (as noted) AR and Draw Conditions.)

2. Avoid Combat on heroes that tag along with melee guys seems a bit crappy. From what I can see - if you put them on Guard they will stop at wanding range, contrary to having your back (which means getting in the middle of the fight) if you do Avoid.

3. I have to question the use of Life Attunement for a physical damage dealer. Or is this for the ele only?

4. I am not the biggest fan of minions, but I am basing that more on my assassin build that involves shadowstepping and Dash, which allows me to jump in and trash pretty much most of the things before the minions show up. Considering you don't have any movement boosts, I can see why minions might actually be useful.

Daesu · Nov 24, 2009, 10:03 AM // 10:03

Overall a pretty solid build.

Not sure if Life attunement is the best option to go with an assassin.

If you get rid of Painful Bond and Spirit Rift, you can move your hex and condition removal to the rit. Then you can bring barbs and enfeebling blood on your necro with 10 to curses after bringing down your SR.

Ginger Hunter · Nov 24, 2009, 01:10 PM // 13:10

Just wondering how well the ER healer works on a hero? I assume you need to micro the enchants, but after that does it maintain its energy well? Or do i need to micro that aswell?

Xenomortis · Nov 24, 2009, 06:37 PM // 18:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

3. I have to question the use of Life Attunement for a physical damage dealer. Or is this for the ele only?

It's not too bad. The damage reduction only affects the rather small base damage of your auto-attacks. It would be worse on a scythe or hammer.
It's useful on the Ele though, as it means they can very quickly recover from an infuse when they cast their next spell under ER.

A dagger assassin is certainly the best physical to use LA on though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ginger Hunter

Just wondering how well the ER healer works on a hero? I assume you need to micro the enchants, but after that does it maintain its energy well? Or do i need to micro that aswell?

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Pv...ENgBEaR1D0C1CA

That's my hero ER build. Although I think I usually have ES at 11+1+2 and Prot at 10.
Usually works fine, I seldom bother to micro it. Sometimes I micro PS though and lately Vekk doesn't ever seem to use it.

Can't speak for the Tankur's one, but the latter version looks fairly similar.

upier · Nov 25, 2009, 09:07 AM // 09:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xenomortis

It's not too bad. The damage reduction only affects the rather small base damage of your auto-attacks. It would be worse on a scythe or hammer.
It's useful on the Ele though, as it means they can very quickly recover from an infuse when they cast their next spell under ER.

A dagger assassin is certainly the best physical to use LA on though.

That was just what I was wiking actually but it didn't pop up.
Thanks for the info!

Xenomortis · Nov 25, 2009, 12:00 PM // 12:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

That was just what I was wiking actually but it didn't pop up.
Thanks for the info!

I did some tests and I'm pretty sure I took screenshots.
I can't seem to find them though.

Braxton619 · Nov 25, 2009, 06:39 PM // 18:39

Btw, for all those who were asking who I put LA on, I put it on the ER. In case his HP gets low, his HP will be restored faster with it. Also it pumps out more energy for ER.

The updated builds (#2) actually work pretty good. I can deal about 150 armor-ignoring damage an attack. Underworld and other areas are no problem.

Daesu · Nov 25, 2009, 07:51 PM // 19:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leet Tankur

Btw, for all those who were asking who I put LA on, I put it on the ER. In case his HP gets low, his HP will be restored faster with it. Also it pumps out more energy for ER.

The updated builds (#2) actually work pretty good. I can deal about 150 armor-ignoring damage an attack. Underworld and other areas are no problem.

Nice, but wouldn't you have more damage from Barbs than from Judge's Insight unless you are fighting undead? Barbs would also synergize with the damage from your assassin, fiends, and minions.

This is what I would use:

Rit: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Pv...MvmlzLGGbT3SmH

Necro: http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Pv...BVBoB2BlB4BbhA

It gives me higher damage through Barbs and greater survivability through enfeebling blood.