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jensyea · Oct 04, 2010, 10:05 PM // 22:05

Is it worth dusting off pyre and equipping him with broad head arrow and epidemic? Any ideas on what the rest of his build should look like?
Ofcourse I can make something myself, but I'm open to new ideas. Always looking for non meta ways to VQ and a daze spreading hero sounds too sexy to pass by.

Life Bringing · Oct 04, 2010, 10:18 PM // 22:18

Technobabble is a much better option than BHA tbh.

AtlaWolffriend · Oct 04, 2010, 10:29 PM // 22:29

You can't use Technobabble on a hero though, I don't think.

@jensyea:

This is the build I use for running interrupts on my character, who's a Ranger -
[build prof=R/Me bea=8 exp=10 mar=11][Broad Head Arrow][Distracting Shot][Savage Shot][Epidemic][Read the Wind][Pain Inverter][Technobabble][Comfort Animal][/build]

You'd have to replace Pain Inverter and Technobabble with other skills for Pyre -- perhaps Lightning Reflexes so he shoots faster, and something else. And replace Comfort Animal and use the beast mastery points in expertise and marksmanship if Pyre doesn't run with a pet.

Aldric · Oct 04, 2010, 10:52 PM // 22:52

I wouldnt run BHA on my main ranger never mind on a hero tbh. Daze is occasionally useful but its not something I would trust the timing of to a Hero with BHA.

If i need a caster shutdown then I prefer a Mes hero or I just run technobabble / Pain Inverter on myself and leave teh hero spot open for something which kills stuff quickly

Skye Marin · Oct 05, 2010, 04:25 AM // 04:25

Panic is much better caster shutdown than BHA ever would be. Fast recharge makes it stick well, it hits nearby foes, and doesn't need constant attacking pressure to trigger. Also, you get some nice DPS domination skills to tie with it and some reliable interrupt spells too.

Try:

Panic
Wastrel's Worry
Wastrel's Demise
Power Spike
Cry of Frustration
Resurrection Chant
Power Drain
Leech Signet

Skyy High · Oct 05, 2010, 04:37 AM // 04:37

Panic won't do squat if you just really need one particular caster to shut the hell up.

I did almost all of my vanquishes on my ranger running BHA. Of course, this was years ago, and there are some better options now (ie, Technobabble) but it's not a bad skill by any means, and it does its job very well. If you're going to give it to a hero, make sure you micro it.

Luminarus · Oct 05, 2010, 08:08 AM // 08:08

Id rather put a caster hero on their ass for 4 seconds (as well as all their nearby enemies) and kill them then daze a mob. (Psychic Instability), and then gain access to other useful skills from the mez dom or illusion line and an open secondary rather then an easily failable elite on a class that tbh doesnt have that much further to offer, with a dedicated secondary for epidemic.

Furthermore, PI works on attackers just as well as Casters whereas BHA does slightly less then nothing to attackers.

Smarty · Oct 05, 2010, 08:31 AM // 08:31

You might get some ideas from this thread: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...t10335686.html

Or, taken from a post of mine from the old GWO:

Quote:

You could try this for your ranger:

Ranger/Mesmer
Expertise: 12
Marksmanship 10
Wilderness Survival: 7
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Skill 1: Serpent's Quickness
Skill 2: Apply Poison
Skill 3: Broad Head Arrow
Skill 4: Distracting Shot
Skill 5: Savage Shot
Skill 6: Epidemic
Skill 7: Troll Unguent
Skill 8: Res sig

which got amended by someone who uses ranger more than me as follows: "Expertise is now at 8 because that's the breakpoint for 15 energy skills (Broad Head Arrow). 10 in Wilderness is enough to keep Serpent's Quickness up for 25 seconds, which is good enough for me." (NB he was using his ranger as part of a Fevered Dreams team. Google serpent's quickness Smartypants if you want the whole team build, it's the first link in the search.)

Pre-GWEN that hero went with me all the time. Nowadays (if I'm not on a mes myself) I take a mes hero with Panic and a couple of rupts which double up as emanagement rather than taking a ranger.

jensyea · Oct 05, 2010, 12:29 PM // 12:29

AoE daze will work great with a physical team and MM (not bomber), it just seems far more solid to me then a mesmer. Also, technobabble is great in some cases but usually 4 sec daze isn't worth filling up a PvE skill slot for imho.
I've read that thread Smarty, it's how I got the idea of opening this topic. To see if it will work on a hero.

I'll throw in another one; do you guys think taking BHA + Epidemic for the AoE daze when anet decides to create 7 hero teams? As I, for one, will take atleast 2 physicals and will always have minions hopping around. Plus splinter barrage any group of casters probably won't be able to cast any spell at all.

I was thinking of a setup like this;

Me running something the area requires / RoJ prot as monk.
1 Earth Shaker hero (might run a Dwarven Battle Stance build if I feel like microing On Your Knees!. Anyway, an AoE knockdown hammer hero)
1 BHA + Epidemic ranger
1 Motigon
1 MM
1 SoS resto rit
1 SoGM rit with shelter
1 utility hero to adapt to area's (like full nukes for easy areas, RoJ + cure hex + smite hex in hex heavy area's or a warder hero can be pretty much anything. Can be an ER orders / prot hero too but I'm not a big fan of ER so probably not

)

Thinking it over a Panic hero might be better to use in general but, in a team composition like this will it be worthwhile to take BHA + Epidemic?

Tender Care · Oct 05, 2010, 12:41 PM // 12:41

Well..imo daze it's not a big deal, actually only some high-end bosses need to be stunned.

AoE daze interrupts the casting (if they were casting) but who's going to attack all the casters interrupting every cast?

As paragon I personally never use daze a part from dungeons Bosses like Fendi Nin, Ilsundur Lord of Flame, Murakai, Duncan the Black etc etc. All bosses that in HM can wipe the entire party with a skill...

Also used Epidemic but it's not worth imo...they already die so fast without spamming massive conditions.

jensyea · Oct 05, 2010, 01:17 PM // 13:17

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Originally Posted by Tender Care

AoE daze interrupts the casting (if they were casting) but who's going to attack all the casters interrupting every cast?

Did you read my post at all? The MM will probably have about 7/9 minions up constantly, the eartshaker deals AoE knockdown damage with a great damage output, the motigon attacks with his spear and the BHA hero himself also attacks with bow. Add to that that I bring splinter weapon on one of my heroes, which counts as physical damage and thus every damage splinter weapon does also interrupts spellcasting on dazed foes.
Thats alot of physical damage to interrupt spellcasters with

.
As for blocking, rigor mortis will handle that and it's not like all DPS goes down when foes have blocking skills, just a matter of adapting to the area.
IF 7 hero teams come out, I'll probably be using this rough concept to VQ Cantha/Elona and some EotN parts, as well as some dungeons.

Jk Arrow · Oct 05, 2010, 02:20 PM // 14:20

Couple of thoughts:

I tried BHA/Epidemic on my ranger toon and didn't find it particularly useful. Usually there is one enemy I need to shut down rather than a large group of normal enemy casters so you need to camp that guy. Best way I found was to hit the caster with BHA and then Ebon Sin him. Epidemic wasn't particularly useful over the course of a vq or long mission. In the end, I'd rather have a different elite and use Technobabble even though it doesn't work on bosses you can use it an an enemy next to one to apply the daze.

If I really think I need some daze or ints and I'm HH'ing I'll bring Zho (I tend to play most often in Eotn). If I'm elsewhere, I'll grab a mesmer hench or figure something else out.

The minons on your MM are not going to each find a caster to attack so that's why I don't think Epidemic will work as well as you think. I'm growing more and more fond of a Panic mesmer if I need ints.

Tender Care · Oct 05, 2010, 02:35 PM // 14:35

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Originally Posted by jensyea

Did you read my post at all? The MM will probably have about 7/9 minions up constantly, the eartshaker deals AoE knockdown damage with a great damage output, the motigon attacks with his spear and the BHA hero himself also attacks with bow. Add to that that I bring splinter weapon on one of my heroes, which counts as physical damage and thus every damage splinter weapon does also interrupts spellcasting on dazed foes.
Thats alot of physical damage to interrupt spellcasters with

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As for blocking, rigor mortis will handle that and it's not like all DPS goes down when foes have blocking skills, just a matter of adapting to the area.
IF 7 hero teams come out, I'll probably be using this rough concept to VQ Cantha/Elona and some EotN parts, as well as some dungeons.

I did read the whole post, don't worry. Just was thinking about the utility of stunning 3-4 casters when u got a super pimped team as u say. I personally think it's useless except on some bosses that actually shot the party with one hit.

jensyea · Oct 05, 2010, 03:15 PM // 15:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tender Care

I did read the whole post, don't worry. Just was thinking about the utility of stunning 3-4 casters when u got a super pimped team as u say. I personally think it's useless except on some bosses that actually shot the party with one hit.

Ok

bosses that 1 shot = PI = me oneshotting him

Thx guys, I'll give it a try if the 7 hero stuff comes out, other than that I'll stick to proven methods.

Tender Care · Oct 05, 2010, 03:20 PM // 15:20

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Originally Posted by jensyea

Ok

bosses that 1 shot = PI = me oneshotting him

Thx guys, I'll give it a try if the 7 hero stuff comes out, other than that I'll stick to proven methods.

Not at all....If the boss hits minions, spirits and ALL the party with a Fire Ball for example he may wipe out. But that doesn't work for Bosses who have like more than 2000hp. As i said before: Fendi Nin, Ilsundur and friends.

Daesu · Oct 05, 2010, 03:23 PM // 15:23

Heroes suck with Epidemic. They can't detect if there are any other creatures near their target so sometimes they would cast Epidemic even if the target is the last enemy standing. Epidemic is a skill best left for players or micro it on a hero, if you want to bring it.