Curse

joshuarodger · Jan 14, 2009, 03:34 AM // 03:34

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Originally Posted by BrettM

I would suggest Bloodstained insignia, rather than Minion Masters. Bloodstained affects spells that exploit corpses, while Minion Masters provides armor. The Bloodstained should go on the gloves or boots, as stated.

quite right. got the two confused.

Daesu · Jan 14, 2009, 04:56 AM // 04:56

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Originally Posted by Burning Freebies

As for necroes using sabway, that MoP+AP build is pretty darn good.

If you want effective MoP, use fiends. Fiends have the fastest attack speed of all the minions. But fiends are too expensive to be minion bombs. And they do not serve well as a flesh wall.

You can use [Aura of the Lich] or/and [animate shambling horror] with [animate bone fiend] if you need a flesh wall.

Firebolt145 · Jan 18, 2009, 02:41 PM // 14:41

You say that when using Sabway, the player should bring some sort of damage OR replace the N/Rt if you're a healer. What if the player was playing Me shutdown?

Abedeus · Jan 18, 2009, 02:45 PM // 14:45

Change to Me/E damage dealer. Not fast cast, but CoP. It's cheap, but effective.

And shutdown is bad in pve.

kostolomac · Jan 18, 2009, 03:01 PM // 15:01

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Originally Posted by Firebolt145

You say that when using Sabway, the player should bring some sort of damage OR replace the N/Rt if you're a healer. What if the player was playing Me shutdown?

Shutdown is mostly bad for pve. Use [Assassin's Promise]+[Cry of Pain] , or other damage skills like [Wandering eye] or [Clumsiness]. Nice damage.

Firebolt145 · Jan 18, 2009, 08:17 PM // 20:17

[Extend Conditions]["You Move Like A Dwarf!"][Ash Blast][Cry of Pain][Phantom Pain][Shrinking Armor][Drain Delusions][Technobabble]
I've been meaning to try this build, are you saying this build is bad in PvE in general? If not, would it work with Sabway?

For damage, would this build suffice then?
[Assassin's Promise][Leech Signet]["By Ural's Hammer!"][Fragility][Arcane Echo][Cry of Pain]["Finish Him!"][Ether Signet]

Perhaps replace Fragility with some form of hex removal as Sabway doesn't really have that?

(Both those builds are from http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10340386)

eat-mcdonalds-and-die · Jan 21, 2009, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Is there a similar team build that can be used if you don't have EotN? (i.e. 2 necros)

T1Cybernetic · Jan 21, 2009, 08:29 PM // 20:29

I suppose you could do without the healer (maybe) but i have not tested any other healer in my group to be 100% sure...

Paul Dawg · Jan 21, 2009, 10:12 PM // 22:12

You can use a Rt/N for the minion bomber if you don't have three necro heroes. It's not quite as effective (because you can't use necro runes and the energy management isn't nearly as good with a primary rit), but it's better than nothing. The bar would include all of the Sabway MM's death magic skills, along with things like [explosive growth] and [boon of creation].

Alternatively, you could use a monk hero with skills like [word of healing] and [dwayna's sorrow] in place of the N/Rt resto, but you're giving up more, in my opinion. Putting [foul feast] on the N/Rt resto means you hardly ever have to worry about conditions, and a monk primary can't match that.

MattJJ · Feb 07, 2009, 02:22 PM // 14:22

Uhm is it still possible to use the 3 Necro HM build if i'm already a necro myself? Also what does 20/20 mean (refering the equipments).... sorry i'm just 3 weeks old in gw lol.

Lusciious · Feb 07, 2009, 02:40 PM // 14:40

off topic : wow , 3 weeks old and already talking about sabway ? i didnt know sabway till i was 4 months old. i'm 6 months old atm.

back to topic: yes it is possible , but if i were to choose, i'd rather let my heros be sabway and me ( the nec ) be something else . because you have the ability to use PvE Skills whereas your heros don't. Sabway works perfectly the way it is shown on PvXWiki and yes , you can add your own variants if you were to become part of it but still .. thats not the point :P

a few good builds i'd recommend is

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:N/..._of_Pain_Nuker

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:N/...of_the_Vampire

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:N/Me_SS_Nuker

or any MM builds . well since you have an MM Hero, that hero can help you with the Death Nova Casting. and you can put in your own variants. a few good MM builds are

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:N/..._Minion_Master - be warned if using this, with 20 over minions, OoU might make your HP go poof in a matter of seconds.

this works pretty good with regeneration on all your minions

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:N/Rt_Well_of_Support - but you might be stealing your MM's corpses xD

Snograt · Feb 07, 2009, 02:46 PM // 14:46

Yes - any profession can use Sab's babies.

20/20 refers to 20% halves casting time + 20% halves recharge time.

Bort Man · Feb 07, 2009, 06:17 PM // 18:17

me and my friend tried this build last night at slavers with another MM and two healers(we are both R/Mo) and got through the first boss fine but have not been able to beat any of the others it has been total FAIL

infamous16 · Feb 23, 2009, 01:24 PM // 13:24

What would be a decent build for a ritualist with sabway?

I was going to maybe try mm, but there already is one...

Spiritz · Feb 23, 2009, 01:39 PM // 13:39

If you dont have a 3rd necro but u can get rit hero it can be done - swap the n/rt healer around as he has the fewest necro skills - i was thinking before of tryin rt/me with something for nrg gain and damage output - the main n/rt has 1 ( or 2 dependin on build ) necro skills so the rit skills could be maxxed out.
Good thing about sabway is you can switch skills around without weakening the team

infameGW · Feb 23, 2009, 04:13 PM // 16:13

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Originally Posted by Spiritz

If you dont have a 3rd necro but u can get rit hero it can be done - swap the n/rt healer around as he has the fewest necro skills - i was thinking before of tryin rt/me with something for nrg gain and damage output - the main n/rt has 1 ( or 2 dependin on build ) necro skills so the rit skills could be maxxed out.
Good thing about sabway is you can switch skills around without weakening the team

If your response was geared towards me, I meant that I'm the rt, and I have 3 nec heros. I guess I could go mm and have my mm go icy veins...but I would like to see some other builds that synergize with sabway as an rt.

Daesu · Feb 23, 2009, 04:33 PM // 16:33

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Originally Posted by infameGW

If your response was geared towards me, I meant that I'm the rt, and I have 3 nec heros. I guess I could go mm and have my mm go icy veins...but I would like to see some other builds that synergize with sabway as an rt.

As a rt you can definitely free up some skill slots from your necro heroes. If you go for level 14 channeling then your [[splinter weapon (pve)] would be alot more powerful and it would be worthwhile to bring [[ancestor's rage (pve)]. This would also free up the 10 levels to channeling for your necro hero.

If you prefer, you can also go for restoration and bring [[Recovery] and be the second healer. Then you dont need to bring Mhenlo.

You can certainly play the MM too if you like that but your minions would be lower level than a necro's, fewer, and without the insignia you would be exploiting corpses slower.

infamous16 · Feb 23, 2009, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by Daesu

As a rt you can definitely free up some skill slots from your necro heroes. If you go for level 14 channeling then your [[splinter weapon (pve)] would be alot more powerful and it would be worthwhile to bring [[ancestor's rage (pve)]. This would also free up the 10 levels to channeling for your necro hero.

If you prefer, you can also go for restoration and bring [[Recovery] and be the second healer. Then you dont need to bring Mhenlo.

You can certainly play the MM too if you like that but your minions would be lower level than a necro's, fewer, and without the insignia you would be exploiting corpses slower.

ok, thanks.

I think I'm switching back to this from discord...it offers alot more flexibility.

Paul Dawg · Feb 27, 2009, 05:46 AM // 05:46

Maybe your R/Mo builds aren't good enough. As a godmode warrior spamming ["Save Yourselves!" (luxon)], I can hero-hench the first four levels of Slaver's using straightforward Sabway heroes. The last level, of course, requires some special handling.

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Originally Posted by Bort Man

me and my friend tried this build last night at slavers with another MM and two healers(we are both R/Mo) and got through the first boss fine but have not been able to beat any of the others it has been total FAIL

SilvanNosty · Feb 27, 2009, 10:30 AM // 10:30

I've only got Olias :X. I'm currently working on getting Whispers, and then Livia. Anyway, I went Skill Hunting and got most the Skills I need. I just have no idea what those Weapons are that Sab mentioned.

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Equipment: 20/20 Curses wand, 20/20 Curses offhand.

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Equipment: 20/20 Resto wand, 20/20 Resto offhand.

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Equipment: 40% HCT, 20% longer enchanting Death staff.

Any help on that?