Curse

russiansteven · Dec 11, 2010, 03:50 PM // 15:50

Arrogant Bastard · Dec 11, 2010, 05:56 PM // 17:56

So you took something good (spiritway) and paired it with something mediocre (discord) and threw in Panic.

Throw out the discord and get some physical buffs (perhaps consider going melee).

pomagranite · Dec 11, 2010, 07:20 PM // 19:20

this isnt a 7 hero team... this is like you and a friend are vanquishing and one brings spiritway and the other brings dischordway
if ur gonna mix and match i think sabway would be better with spiritway

domaspiragas · Dec 11, 2010, 08:52 PM // 20:52

I rate.......... bad

kbs8014 · Dec 11, 2010, 09:03 PM // 21:03

It's obviously a great build... absolutely great. Nothing new at all though and something that thousands of players will use. Anyone who rates this build bad does not get it. They can hate for the unoriginality but the build will easily do anything you want to do in the entire game except maybe UW, not sure about that.

The thing I would take out is the second mesmer... maybe play around with something else.

GwOxygen · Dec 11, 2010, 09:39 PM // 21:39

So you just combined spiritway with discord and mesway? GG?

Zodiac Meteor · Dec 11, 2010, 10:24 PM // 22:24

Needs more paragon heroes, ER's and Mesmers.

pedrobds · Dec 12, 2010, 12:36 AM // 00:36

kbs8014 is absolutely right, if your going to tell me that discord does not work well for most areas then you are wrong. period. discord will blow threw nearly anything except the obvious with hex removal and so on. again just like kbs said, just because it isnt original doesnt mean it isnt going to absolutely dominate

FalloMeh · Dec 12, 2010, 12:51 AM // 00:51

i rate....Awesome. good build, so many ppl are Haters. dont listen to the negativity bro

jot. · Dec 12, 2010, 01:48 AM // 01:48

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Originally Posted by pedrobds

kbs8014 is absolutely right, if your going to tell me that discord does not work well for most areas then you are wrong. period. discord will blow threw nearly anything except the obvious with hex removal and so on. again just like kbs said, just because it isnt original doesnt mean it isnt going to absolutely dominate

The thing is even though Discord does work, it's still suboptimal compared to buffed physicals

NerfHerder · Dec 12, 2010, 02:23 AM // 02:23

Personally, I never put superior runes on my heros. Even on the AotL hero, your only getting one more minion out of the deal. I would rather they have the extra health. Maybe even trade AotL for another Discord. 3 Discords > 2. But, people love them some AotL so I understand if you dont.

If your going the discord route, I would add Asuran Scan to your bar so you can call the discord on the target you want. And you will do way more damage. Barbed Spear and Poisonous Bite provide good cover for conditions so your good there. You can also consider using Never Rampage Alone instead of Feral Aggression. What you lose on dmg youll make up for with the increased attack speed on your spear(+AS) and it gives a nice mending affect to counter degen.

On your Panic hero I would lose WW and add Power Drain. Your hero may have enough trouble keeping energy for Panic and WD. And I would use Energy Surge/CoF instead of the Ineptitude hero. Shadow of Fear, Enfeebling Blood, and Shadowsong should be enough anti-melee/physicals.

And yeah, dont listen to the haters. Alot of people will be combining popular builds when we get a full hero party. Especially Discord, Sab, Spirit, and some sort of Mesmer way. They are already vetted builds. No reason not to combine them.

Alternatively, you may want to look into some form of Physical/Racway/ER/Orders combination. Which I suspect will become much more popular when we get a full hero party. And even more so if Paragons ever get a rework/skill update.

Also, this thread may belong here. Alot of 7 hero build critiques are in there already.

russiansteven · Dec 12, 2010, 04:08 AM // 04:08

Taking out the Ineptitude and replacing him with a Searing Flames ele would be better or worse? (Of course with Mark of Rodgort and steam) Or the two discord necro's and replacing them with 2 SF eles?

Showtime · Dec 12, 2010, 05:42 AM // 05:42

LMAO of all these leet players chiming in saying it's a bad build.
Their misinformation is much worse than his build.

Unless key skills were nerfed, there's nothing wrong with his team. I should know since I've done basically the whole game with discordway and spiritway. People usually ask to borrow my other heros if they are running one or the other since it plays nice enough together in a 1 +6 heros team.

I'll be running more of a sabs with aotl mm and curses hero with my spear chucking ranger. Mainly cuz I love MOP... well that and it's so easy to play. I also like roj monks, sprits, mm, and me. No bodies... more nukage. Splinter barraging is good fun in some areas. Mesmers are viable. Discord is an option especially with my spreading conditions and all those group hexes. Be fun to run 3 rangers a para, elem, monk, splinter SOS rit... Would love to run a 100b or Axe Jora, but they'll never fix melee heros.
That's for my ranger... Won't have time to try all the combos my nec or warrior would run, but not a lot to change.

Arrogant Bastard · Dec 12, 2010, 07:52 AM // 07:52

You can beat most of the game with random builds if you wanted.

This does not prove that discord is optimal. Compared to other hero builds, it has low DPS. Using it with physical damage dealers only widens this gap because there are so many options to buff yourself.

Now, if you like Discord, then congratulations, but that doesn't mean its the greatest shit ever. It's more like a mediocre, idiot-proof, spike build with too much defense and not enough DPS.

Klance · Dec 12, 2010, 10:19 AM // 10:19

Honestly if your a physical yourself there is no reason NOT to run splinter weapon and SoH at a minimum on a 7-hero team (and even on a 3 hero team) they boost your DPS by alot.

Dusk_ · Dec 12, 2010, 07:38 PM // 19:38

At 16 Death, Discord is a 33 DPS single target ELITE skill.

Want to know what has a better DPS than that? Flare.

**Marty Silverblade** · Dec 12, 2010, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by Dusk_

At 16 Death, Discord is a 33 DPS single target ELITE skill.

Want to know what has a better DPS than that? Flare.

Only barely, and assuming you're attacking a 60AL, level 20 target. Your statement is false for anything non-trivial. If you're going to bash Discord, at least don't justify it with nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Klance

Honestly if your a physical yourself there is no reason NOT to run splinter weapon and SoH at a minimum on a 7-hero team (and even on a 3 hero team) they boost your DPS by alot.

Just to be picky, if the physical in question is a Ranger or Paragon (or anything using a bow or spear) then SoH would be useless as it only affects melee attacks.

Dusk_ · Dec 13, 2010, 01:34 AM // 01:34

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

Only barely, and assuming you're attacking a 60AL, level 20 target. Your statement is false for anything non-trivial. If you're going to bash Discord, at least don't justify it with nonsense.

How is it nonsense?

Flare is crap against anything and everything. You bring it in normal mode, and it's crap. You use it against 60AL, level 20 targets, and it's still crap. But apparently when you make it an Elite Skill and shove it on Necros, it becomes great?

The comparison to Flare shows just how garbage Discord is. On it's own, it's absolutely terrible. On a full Hero team, you're taking out half an enemy health bar in 3 second intervals. If you're running an AP Caller, then you can actually kill an enemy every 3 seconds (maybe)...and that's assuming Discord is actually getting spammed every available chance.

So yeah, Discord is "great" if half of your team build is devoted to either supporting Discord or spamming it every chance they get...and fully optimized, that's still 24 seconds per mob at its absolute best.

Jeydra · Dec 13, 2010, 01:44 AM // 01:44

It's a crap argument because if Flare does more DPS than Discord then it also does more DPS than Rodgort's Invocation, which makes Rodgort's Invocation a trashy skill. Invoke Lightning does 140 damage / 8s cooldown = 17.5 DPS, which makes it worse than Flare as well.

I should critique the OP's build but I honestly am not interested right now, sorry

Dusk_ · Dec 13, 2010, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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Originally Posted by Jeydra

It's a crap argument because if Flare does more DPS than Discord then it also does more DPS than Rodgort's Invocation, which makes Rodgort's Invocation a trashy skill. Invoke Lightning does 140 damage / 8s cooldown = 17.5 DPS, which makes it worse than Flare as well.

I should critique the OP's build but I honestly am not interested right now, sorry

Huh?

Of course I'm not comparing it to an AoE spike, or a PvP spike skill.

Discord is a damage skill used in PvE that is spammed as much as possible to spike down single targets, which is exactly what Flare is.

Now, if you wanted to argue that Discord has 2 seconds of unused time to cast other stuff, then you might have a point. If used as supplemental damage to a bunch of other skills, it could warrant an inclusion, but as your primary DPS source that uses up 4/8 bars? Not a chance.