Curse

NerfHerder · Nov 13, 2010, 06:01 AM // 06:01

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Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless

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Optional Character Slot: Check (Necro Smiter)

Notice he said optional. I will most likely never put a BiP on my hero team. However, considering how heros manage energy, its not a terrible option.

Kaida the Heartless · Nov 13, 2010, 06:42 AM // 06:42

The BiP is there to maximize the potential of the Mesmers. Even with 3 E-Management skills, they tend to bottom out often. This way, they can spam without worrying.

Even WiK HM is pie with the top 3 Heros + me spirit spamming, and I don't use ANY consumables, ever. I merely supported them with the rest of my party in this build. The Searing Flames ele is what I used to use in place of the Panic Mesmer. Lava Font is not to be underestimated.

Honestly, if you think Panic and Psychic Instability overlap, just use Ineptitude. It's redundant with Enfeebling Blood, but whos judging? Besides, knocking down an entire group in Lava Font is ALWAYS fun to watch.

If anyone wants to suggest some seriously High DPS hero builds, I'd use them in place of the BiP or Ele.

Jeydra · Nov 13, 2010, 08:32 AM // 08:32

@Kaida - Can you take constructive criticism? If not, ignore the following quote.

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Your teambuild is honestly fairly weak, and here's why:

1. Overkill healing. UA + ER is over the top.
2. Negative synergy. Why use Panic / Clumsiness / Wandering Eye if you have Psychic Instability?
3. Low damage output. There's 2/8 bars that are aimed at dealing damage, and one of them (the Searing Flames Ele) isn't very good at it.

I'd suggest ditching the PoD Necro for some other kind of Necro with Strip Enchant, or simply putting Drain Enchantment on your two Mesmers. I'd also suggest a different elite instead of PI, since to make effective use of the bar you have right now you would need to spec heavily into both Fast Casting and Illusion, which in turn means low Inspiration -> need the BiP. If you insist on having a battery (I would never use one) you could try putting Strip Enchant on the BiP and save a hero spot.

Searing Flames Ele is not good, especially since you only have one Searing Flames Ele in the build. I suggest removing it. UA Monk is rather weak at best, even more so since you t have so much healing on it. I suggest dropping it altogether and bringing a comparable hard res on some other hero. The SoGM Rit is light years ahead of every other hero bar except SoS right now, and with player SoS even better, there's no reason not to run the SoGM.

Extra slots (and you should have several) could go to more Searing Flames Elementalists if you want them, Paragons, Rangers, MMs, SS Necros, etc.

I'm still formulating teambuilds myself, but I'd probably end up with something like: MM, SoS, SoGM, Panic + Rit heals, 2 ED Rangers, Para of some kind. The build would have like 4 targeted heals, but who cares?

yitjuan · Nov 13, 2010, 01:32 PM // 13:32

question - would 7x ROJ be overkill? Or would it look like Independence Day and Will Smith?

Dzjudz · Nov 13, 2010, 01:58 PM // 13:58

Probably something like this.

Kaida the Heartless · Nov 14, 2010, 06:39 AM // 06:39

I think this is the build everyone is looking for. Nothing overlaps, its heavily offensive with very few healing skills (this seems to be the cool new thing), and you can customize it!

This is the ultimate Hero setup. You will accept it. To say anything against it is to vote against the Meta PvE section of PvX Wiki. THIS BUILD IS FLAWLESS. THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN.

Also, I forgot Death Nova in there somewhere. Oh well. I'm sure someone will tell me :P

Xenomortis · Nov 14, 2010, 10:25 AM // 10:25

You've wasted a slot on an Ineptitude Mesmer.

Daesu · Nov 14, 2010, 05:56 PM // 17:56

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Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless

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Too much corpse competition.

You dont need the inepititude mesmer when you already have shadowsong and enfeebling blood.

distilledwill · Nov 15, 2010, 10:20 AM // 10:20

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Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless

-snhip

I'm also conscious that you only have one half healer, unless you are running a heal yourself, if the other team has half decent offense + a healer or two they're likely to be pressured out after a while. I'd be tempted to drop the animate on the first N/Mo and run him as a discord healer. Patient, Dwayna's Kiss and Cure Hex as you have no other hex removal (when I'm setting up my 7 hero team, I'll definately be slipping in 2 hex removals and 2 condition removals.

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Originally Posted by yitjuan

question - would 7x ROJ be overkill? Or would it look like Independence Day and Will Smith?

I'm definately running 7 RoJs at some point - 3 Monks, 3 Necros and a Mesmer - bring the pain.

Daesu · Nov 15, 2010, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by distilledwill

I'm also conscious that you only have one half healer, unless you are running a heal yourself, if the other team has half decent offense + a healer or two they're likely to be pressured out after a while. I'd be tempted to drop the animate on the first N/Mo and run him as a discord healer. Patient, Dwayna's Kiss and Cure Hex as you have no other hex removal (when I'm setting up my 7 hero team, I'll definately be slipping in 2 hex removals and 2 condition removals.

That is what I like about Smiter's Boon smite monks. I can do HM with only half a healer.

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I'm definately running 7 RoJs at some point - 3 Monks, 3 Necros and a Mesmer - bring the pain.

Just make sure you can clump them, spirits and minions can also help with that.

DigitalFear · Nov 15, 2010, 08:22 PM // 20:22

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Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless

This is the ultimate Hero setup.

No, it uses Discord.

FengShuiDove · Nov 16, 2010, 02:48 AM // 02:48

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

Probably something like this.

Not bad. I'm not a big fan of SoGM, and I'd make a few other small changes, but mostly preferential stuff.

I like PI and Panic together, so sue me. You'll notice there's a distinct lack of Judge's Insight/SoH, and I might end up tossing that on the PI, since I already have a Channeler in the SoS. For Discord haters, I could swap out AotL on the MM and Icy Veins on the /Rt Resto. I like PoD, which turns that Necro into a complete debuffer. SS is another option but whatever.

In other words, with a few slight adjustments, this is probably what I'll try.

Dzjudz · Nov 18, 2010, 02:48 PM // 14:48

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Originally Posted by FengShuiDove

Not bad. I'm not a big fan of SoGM, and I'd make a few other small changes, but mostly preferential stuff.

Thanks. Yes, there are quite a few optionals in there, like the resto skills on the Panic or the para skills on the Bomber.

I love PI, I used Erys Vasburg (mesmer hench with PI) on my Ferndale vanquishes to get max Kurzick and it's an amazing aoe interrupt kd. I just don't think most situations warrant two mesmers.

If I go melee myself (SY sin or something) I'd probably swap the SoGM for a RoJ with Judge's/SoH.

ajicorath · Nov 18, 2010, 03:18 PM // 15:18

I'll probably go with this. Similar to the 2man6hero setup me and my bro run, except I've swapped him out for Koss

Necromas · Nov 18, 2010, 04:49 PM // 16:49

Ooh I'm liking this app.

How do you get the runes to show up on the team build page? I tried giving the characters equipment sets and setting the rune values on the individual build pages.

spray04 · Nov 19, 2010, 06:33 AM // 06:33

Here's mine; can anyone give me some comments?

Dusk_ · Nov 19, 2010, 07:48 AM // 07:48

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Originally Posted by spray04

Here's mine; can anyone give me some comments?

Oh dear god its Discordway....

The entire purpose of Discord is to compress damage spikes, meat shields and team support all into a 3-Hero Build to make a good, all-purpose H/H team. So why oh why would you do the exact same thing when you have all 7 skill bars at your disposal?

Now that you can have a full fleet of spirits and minions, there is really no reason for you to ever take more than 1 healer/protter, and 1-2 hybrid supports. So get out of that Discord rut, and start adding some real damage into your team.

Jeydra · Nov 19, 2010, 11:16 AM // 11:16

There's nothing wrong with Discord if you can find something to do with it.

Thoughts on that build:

1. Strongly suggest Mark of Pain, Barbs etc on your bar instead of Enfeebling Blood and Shadow of Fear. You don't need the defense (you have two N/Rt semi-healers + 1 Rit semi-healer, 2 spirit spammers, prots on MM, etc). I'd suggest Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support instead of Necrosis as well, and to lose the Res Sig, but up to you.
2. Mesmer bar will not have enough energy. How to fix the Panic bar is something I don't know for sure myself. Best option I see right now is to make it a /Rt semi-healer as well, but then you already have 3 semi-healers so you won't need the defense.
3. You might want to bring more damage on the N/Rt semi-healers (Rising Bile, Putrid Bile and I don't know what).
4. Definitely don't run the Earthshaker Warrior. Unless (or even if) you're going to micro all those skills, what's it good for? The AI doesn't play Warriors well too.

Shadow Dragon · Nov 19, 2010, 12:16 PM // 12:16

while i don't know how to post the funky pics basically my team will consist of the following:

Me: Defy Pain tank
Panic mesmer
WoH monk
Prot monk
Protection based spirit rit
savannah heat nuker x2
flesh golem mm

FyrFytr998 · Nov 19, 2010, 02:40 PM // 14:40

Any reason I can't get either of those template apps to work?