Curse

GrimmNinja · Mar 16, 2011, 08:07 PM // 20:07

Hi All,
Made this build. The original concept came from a post by Xenomortis in this thread, http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...t10472179.html
However i decided to take out the curse nec and the monk and replace them with a para and a derv, with the advice from a alliance member.

any more tweaks would be appreciated.

ashes · Mar 16, 2011, 08:22 PM // 20:22

Asuran scan is crap now - i hope u noticed

GrimmNinja · Mar 16, 2011, 08:34 PM // 20:34

Yeah i was in morostav vq just before so i was using it against blurred vision.

jensyea · Mar 16, 2011, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Pretty neat.
But you might want to ask yourself how much you get out of Razah's potential. He has all these spirits. But by the time he has all of them up the mob is already dead. And on the next mob most of his spirits are in recharge. I would change Razah into an explosive growth bomber + gift of spirit with aotl (It's so OP, really, it *** in Jagged Bombers' faces.)
Making Livia completely optional. Giving you room to either make her a dedicated healer (so you have a 2 healer backline).
Or, what I would do, Give her Enfeebling Blood, Barbs, MoP and Icy Veins (no SS since you have a mesmer) and fill the last 4 slots up with Cure Health, Dwayna's Kiss, Patient spirit and SoLS ofcourse. Swap the elite to WoH if your about to do something thats really hard.

As for Gwen, I like it, but you will have to use her as versatile character for certain vanquishes etc. Make her carry Panic in caster heavy areas, Ineptitude when the physicals hit hard or just mess around/replace her when stuff is easier for things you wanna try like fevered dreams + fragility or perhaps a whole other hero. But that's up to you, in the last case this keystone build will do just fine. But, as I said, you might have to change her build, or choose a whole different hero (for example in sacnoth valley youd fail like this but do great with a warder hero) sometimes.
Lastly I would try to squeezy in They're on Fire! on your paragon. Helps alot and synergizes great with anthem of flame.
Oh, and check out the runes and insignias on all of them. Make sure the heroes you really don't want to die aren't the ones with the least hp also.

All I can come up with right now, hope it helps.

aga · Mar 16, 2011, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by ashes

Asuran scan is crap now - i hope u noticed

Ummmm........no.......

Asura scan is massive, places with mass blind where heroes just can't keep up with removing it, or places with lots of blocking asura scan is vital. I have it on my sins bar by default.

jensyea · Mar 16, 2011, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by aga

Ummmm........no.......

Asura scan is massive, places with mass blind where heroes just can't keep up with removing it, or places with lots of blocking asura scan is vital. I have it on my sins bar by default.

Yup still useful, but not the way it used to be. Probably what the other guy meant.

Atro · Mar 16, 2011, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by jensyea

Pretty neat.
But you might want to ask yourself how much you get out of Razah's potential. He has all these spirits. But by the time he has all of them up the mob is already dead.

It is possible to throw Soul Twisting in his build, then it would be fine.

jensyea · Mar 16, 2011, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by Acolyte Firestar

It is possible to throw Soul Twisting in his build, then it would be fine.

True, but you get so much more out of it all if you use my idea

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ST with these spirits would work, ST with protective spirits does NOT work properly when you also have a minion bomber (when the mm's build is designed so that they die and kill/heal that way rather then just kill and stay allive for the next kill). Just to make sure you know, ts.

GrimmNinja · Mar 16, 2011, 08:57 PM // 20:57

Yeah I was having trouble making up Razah's build. I will try ST. and i dont really like panic with heroes for me anyway they sometimes have trouble targeting it, thats why i normally run PI or ineptitude however, my friend sent me that keystone build and told me that it gives a very large amount of rupts. As for runes, they are slightly low on my agenda as I have runed up 6/8 of the heros so i just wanna get the right builds atm.
and how is boon of creation in terms of e manage for a rt/n mm? or would i need other sources of energy?

aspi · Mar 16, 2011, 09:24 PM // 21:24

Been trying the keystone for my hero instead of panic and not only does gwen rupt like crazy she dishes out aoe damage at the same time. I like it so far.

Your sin almost has the same build as mine sometimes I swap the elite but I kinda like wota. Only thing I use different is critical agility instead of i am unstoppable.

Masmar · Mar 16, 2011, 10:05 PM // 22:05

Why would you ever-ever-ever-ever remove a curses necro from a 7hero team when you play a melee char? That is one of the worst ideas ever.

GrimmNinja · Mar 16, 2011, 10:42 PM // 22:42

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Originally Posted by Masmar

Why would you ever-ever-ever-ever remove a curses necro from a 7hero team when you play a melee char? That is one of the worst ideas ever.

I myself find curses to be quite boring and sometimes inefficient. For example with my mesmer with a bunch of rupts things like SS are made a lot less useful. Ok I will agree that debuffs e.g weaken armour, disenchantment is good on curses. But other than that I think it would be inefficient to bring a nec curser for just 1 disenchant and 1 weaken armour, and as for mop. I hate using it on heroes for similar reasons to panic, the targeting is hardly the best...

greenough · Mar 16, 2011, 11:00 PM // 23:00

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Originally Posted by ashes

Asuran scan is crap now - i hope u noticed

its actually much better now, u hit threw blind, stances, blurred vision and monk enchants. unless i guess you like running around missing all day.

S4br3t00th · Mar 16, 2011, 11:08 PM // 23:08

I'd try to get SoH on the keystone mes and fallback on the para.
BotM, spirit leech and dwayna's kiss seem a little off... Dunno about the dervish build.
I'd still try to fit in the curses necro from sabway: MoP, Barbs, enfeebling, another copy of splinter... Elite doesn't even matter that much, I just find it so usefull.

Elfblade · Mar 16, 2011, 11:53 PM // 23:53

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SS and panic dont work together since SS does not triggered at interupted attacks skills and spells as explained in several threads.

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Originally Posted by jensyea

True, but you get so much more out of it all if you use my idea

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ST with these spirits would work, ST with protective spirits does NOT work properly when you also have a minion bomber (when the mm's build is designed so that they die and kill/heal that way rather then just kill and stay allive for the next kill). Just to make sure you know, ts.

The point of spirits that you pre setup them before aggroing which takes 5 seconds, i dont know what it is with people on this forum saying spirits are useless because of setup time when you can micro them in a few seconds.... with your theory your explosive growth bomber would perform even worse since he needs corpses around the enemy before you can do any damage or healing plus that the dps of an communing spirit spammer is way superior than explosive growth+death nova

Btw i doubt that a hero uses ritual lord only on spirits making ST or SOGM a better choice. but i am not sure on this.

Braxton619 · Mar 17, 2011, 06:12 AM // 06:12

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Originally Posted by ashes

Asuran scan is crap now - i hope u noticed

I used to think this but I as soon as soon as you get hexed with blurred vision and blind... you will definitely be thanking ANET. Nothing is more annoying than having a melee toon as your main and you can't hit anything.

Masmar · Mar 17, 2011, 06:55 AM // 06:55

Screw SS. You're playing a physical, you need mop and barbs

GrimmNinja · Mar 17, 2011, 08:15 AM // 08:15

Hmm I'm still not sure about the curses nec..
However I will use ST on the rit.

Daesu · Mar 17, 2011, 08:24 AM // 08:24

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Originally Posted by GrimmNinja

I myself find curses to be quite boring and sometimes inefficient. For example with my mesmer with a bunch of rupts things like SS are made a lot less useful. Ok I will agree that debuffs e.g weaken armour, disenchantment is good on curses. But other than that I think it would be inefficient to bring a nec curser for just 1 disenchant and 1 weaken armour, and as for mop. I hate using it on heroes for similar reasons to panic, the targeting is hardly the best...

Yes, I don't think that you need a full curse necro. I made my MM carry some of the curses as you do not need a lot of attribute investment in curse.

Instead of a derv, I have a blood necro with Dark Fury for SY and the paragon's adrenaline skills. The blood necro also carries blood bond.

I still don't find your keystone mesmer to be more effective than my panic mesmer. It seems to perform worse against caster groups. Heroes also don't use symbolic celerity well, as they don't always recast it when it expires, so they use the signets at 0 attribute instead.

Razah should be fixed, but that has already been mentioned earlier in the thread.

GrimmNinja · Mar 17, 2011, 08:32 AM // 08:32

Ok assume I kick mox and add a blood orders/curse debuff necro. Would my team be low on prot/heals or would I be able to make do with what I have got?