Curse

JSX · Mar 16, 2011, 04:56 PM // 16:56

Hello !

I don't have too much time to play lately, and i wanna get my statue for the lux in my HoM , so i'm casually speed vanqing MQ when I can.

I've done it in 20mins, though I think my setup could be better, and a lot faster.

i try to keep FB up at all times. And the pious tear down build im using is working pretty sweet.

Should I take out the SS for the curses nec? and replace it with a diff elite ? (i wanna keep BR, works great in MQ) i'm also running inept and panic too. I put a ROJ in the last slot as I wasn't sure if my SoS resto and Necro Resto can handle all the healing. (he also runs the hex removal)

Thoughts? Keep in mind this is for MQ (and no i dont do any JQ or anything like that, i have no patient for leeches/bots, morons xD)

edit : no discord suggestions please! I'm tired of discord xD

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jensyea · Mar 16, 2011, 05:39 PM // 17:39

swap out SS for something else because SS doesn't synergize well with your mesmers.
I'd go for Icy Veins but maybe thats just me having a weakness for that skill :P.
Oh and I also remember (been out too long to be sure) that theres a certain max for the amount of extra armor you can add to yourself. Not sure if Stand your Ground! is useless when SY! is on or not, so someone might want to confirm that.

Spiritz · Mar 16, 2011, 05:49 PM // 17:49

20 mins is a gd time if only 1 human player - i avg 20 mins when i used h/h.Using a team of 5 humans and 3 heros and no set builds or team synergy we managed 16 mins.The only real difference is humans in most cases will be faster as we attack diff targets etc where hero ai makes them attack your target usually - and often humans are less suicidal than heros lol

Fate Crusher · Mar 16, 2011, 05:58 PM // 17:58

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Originally Posted by jensyea

Oh and I also remember (been out too long to be sure) that theres a certain max for the amount of extra armor you can add to yourself. Not sure if Stand your Ground! is useless when SY! is on or not, so someone might want to confirm that.

"Save Yourselves!" doesn't apply to the person with the skill.

And yes, I'd swap SS out for for a stronger spike damage, your RoJ and Panic has AoE covered. Either Icy Veins or Discord would help.

Other than that, i'd take a different hero. Barbs isnt that amazing when it follows your attacks and the minions attack random things... :3

Sabres Phoenix · Mar 16, 2011, 06:18 PM // 18:18

The extra armour from "SYG" doesn't stack with that of "SY" (the only skill that does is the ebon courage ward). But I usually have both n my team too, because SY is easily stopped ( anti shout spells, and adrenaline denial too) so that way my casters are covered a little better.

Commander Kanen · Mar 16, 2011, 06:38 PM // 18:38

I agree Icy > SS.

SY or SYG is pointless just take 1

Also. Looks like you just went on gwpvx.

Tamye · Mar 16, 2011, 07:06 PM // 19:06

I'd go for Icy Veins too, as Panic pretty much makes SS useless.

Doc Zenith · Mar 16, 2011, 07:21 PM // 19:21

Seeing you play as Derv..try Avatar of Grenth..spam Pious teardown with Heart of holy flame and Aura of thorns along with heart of fury etc..supported with splinter and maybe curses..you literally make whole groups explode in few seconds..you deal shitloads of aoe and spread ton of conditions..that's just few skill's so there plenty of room to mod the rest of the bar..Command paragon buffing your damage would be nice too..skip Roj..you really dont want enemies to scatter..you are the main Dps..not the heroes.

Lord Dagon · Mar 16, 2011, 07:51 PM // 19:51

i know you said no discord.. but IMO it makes it really fast(fastest time i've gotten so far is 15mins.. trying to lower it... was gonna make a thread about it but with this one i can post/get criqued on my build(s))
well im ele using AP OgdToU26VaBymcXUuEZoIiYAXAA
i have 3 necro heros they all run the same build OAljUwGopSxMKg7Y1bifsYVBHVA
fall back here is amazingly helpful because there is ALOT of dead time where you are just running from group to group.
on top of those 3 necros i just run argos henchmen,kai henchmen, gita hench., and sister tai henchmen. works for me... but if you want fast times you need to be open to the idea of discord.. b/c AoE isnt that great there.

JSX · Mar 16, 2011, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by Commander Kanen

I agree Icy > SS.

SY or SYG is pointless just take 1

Also. Looks like you just went on gwpvx.

Actually I didn't, I just picked what I liked for the run.. and then when I came here, I saw alot of people running similar things, so it was a bit freaky.. I almost want to post in the thread "hey are you me?" xD

and yeah SYG is gonna be dropped i guess.

Maybe replace it with "Can't touch this" for the wallows?

Icy veins sounds interesting for elite, and i guess barbs can be dropped as I have MoP already? But what should I replace it with ? AoE curse like Suffering? or maybe damage ?

@Doc

I'm thinking of dropping IAU for Balth for burning, but idk, the kds are annoying as heck there xD

As for the ROJ'er, is there a better damage option?

Also I removed Ancestor's rage for blood song.

yeah lots of questiosn xD

Asia Skyly · Mar 16, 2011, 08:58 PM // 20:58

Maybe replace it with "Can't touch this" for the wallows?

Absolutely!

Doc Zenith · Mar 16, 2011, 09:08 PM // 21:08

Keep IAU

You already have burning from Heart of holy flame.

I suppose Roj is fine but personally would'nt run it with melee unless theres undeads etc

Yeah ditch ancestors rage.

You could drop Monk for Para and replace the para skills from mesmers to whatever you feel you need.

aspi · Mar 16, 2011, 09:19 PM // 21:19

Did you bring mop and barbs just for the minions to hope and hit someone? I am guessing SoH will be put on yourself so those wont trigger for your attacks :/

Kaida the Heartless · Mar 16, 2011, 09:41 PM // 21:41

SoH doesn't change your damage type, thus, it works with Barbs and MoP.

Keep Ancestor's Rage.

Drop Weapon of Warding for Vengeful Weapon. Aegis has your blocking covered and you are less likely to overlap Splinter Weapon. Besides, it'll up group DPS.

I would drop the RoJ or SS for Searing Flames. MQ's highest armor rating against fire is 114 (Naga ranger), followed by 101 (Naga warrior), followed by an average of 80. It also synergizes with Fragility and you can easily add Weaken Armor somewhere to increase damage further.

If you don't drop the SS, switch it to Pain of Disenchantment. This will help against everything but the Naga, at which point Mark of Pain and Weaken Armor will shine. Drop Rip Enchantment in favor of Weaken Armor if you choose this. Another choice is Icy Veins since armor levels are low enough for Elemental Damage to work. In this case, drop Rip Enchantment in favor of Weaken Armor, and switch Blood Bond to Jaundiced Gaze or Strip Enchantment.

Doc Zenith · Mar 16, 2011, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by aspi

Did you bring mop and barbs just for the minions to hope and hit someone? I am guessing SoH will be put on yourself so those wont trigger for your attacks :/

Yeah good point..keep barbs for minions? drop Mop.

Edit: Lol..had to check skill description for Soh..yeah it just adds +dmg to melee

Id still go with Aog Build..Aoe+Conds..the damage output is wonderous even vs single enemy.

JSX · Mar 16, 2011, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Veng weap seems like an interesting idea, though it wont be too hard on the energy will it?

If I bring an SS ele, i'm thinking E/mo with the monk skill on that bar being remove hex, i have no real hex removal.

I'll give PoD a try and let you know how it works. You guys have been really helpful xD

Though is barbs+mop overkill? I think MoP is enough and drop barbs.

Kaida the Heartless · Mar 16, 2011, 11:47 PM // 23:47

Energy will be fine with Vengeful Weapon. See: Sabway.

Hex Removal is really only crucial on Physical Based teams. I didn't see any badguys @MQ that would really be a large threat with Hexes. If you were really concerned, you could put Shatter Hex on the Dom Mes w/ Glyph of Lesser Energy (I run this w/ Leech Sig and Ether Sig instead of WNWN and PD) to keep their energy topped, but you lose one copy of "Fall Back!". I'm not sure how far apart the mobs @ MQ are, but it's an option. "SYG!" can be moved to the Illusion Mesmer.

If not this, then I would /Me your Searing Ele (you said SS Ele, but I'm guessing you meant SF?) and run a hex removal in inspiration instead. My SF Ele runs Channeling Magic with Spirit Siphon for energy upkeep (I run spirit spam). This way, you can have your hex removal and some energy management at the same time.

I prefere MoP over Barbs. Heroes often spam Barbs on the wrong and/or half dead targets, and with a 2s cast time, it feels like a waste. If anything, you can micro MoP and drop some serious AoE on mobs. It's worth it.

Why? · Mar 17, 2011, 12:28 AM // 00:28

you don't need hex removal or condition removal in pve. I think my fastest time in MQ is 18 minutes, and that was with only 1 UA monk, no other healing skills at all. Although I wouldn't recommend that route because I have wiped a time or two.

keep MoP, they love bunching up. Weaken armor is great, i would also add a command para instead of the ss.

Then add MoP/barbs/weaken armor to the MM, and dump the prot prayers and putrid bile.

I'd also suggest PI or Keystone Signet instead of Panic.

I would also consider adding spirit rift in, and adding a SOGM communing spirit rit as well.

Kaida the Heartless · Mar 17, 2011, 12:50 AM // 00:50

SoGM for a speed clear?

JSX · Mar 17, 2011, 03:05 AM // 03:05

i'm liking the build changes so far. Though im not sure if the Para would be better over the SF ele im using:

SF, Liquid flame, Glowing gaze, Meteor, Glyph of lesser energy, Fire attunement, power drain, leech signet

cause i could drop one FB and cant touch this from the mes, add more damage, and put more on the para?