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Tirzan · Mar 25, 2011, 07:50 PM // 19:50

Hi, just tried to do Urgoz with my 7 heroes...died in the 10 degen pips room.

Is the run doable and is any skill required to end it?

powerslave · Mar 25, 2011, 07:58 PM // 19:58

I was just doing 7-hero Urgoz last night. Made it OK to the end, but just couldn't kill Urgoz.

The 10 pips degen room, you're talking about the second room? Make sure you draw the aggro back outside of the area where the degen is, towards the door of the previous section. Once the dredge patrols and the vampire spawns are cleared, just rush the Twisted Bark (it causes the degen).

Edit: A few other comments that may come in useful for others:
Bring Necrotic Traversal on your char (alternatively, if you can't go secondary Necro, have a UA monk carry NT, get the monk up there, then sacrifice yourself using a vampiric weapon, use UA to get yourself up there). NT is needed in order to tele on top of the bridge where the gate locks are located. Otherwise you won't be able to get past that room.
I found the Thorn Wolves hit pretty hard, so I brought Shelter on one of the Ritualists and manually activated it when necessary.
Lastly, bring EoE for Urgoz himself.

hrusha · Mar 25, 2011, 08:05 PM // 20:05

See the last post here for specifics on Urgoz himself: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/7...t10474224.html

I didn't actually beat Urgoz, but everything up to Urgoz was pretty straightforward for me, using a generic Spiritway + Mesway + Necros (of course, it'll be much faster if you decide to use a more specialized build). Read the wiki and pull when it suggests, generally avoiding fighting in the environmental effects and being careful with the popups.

Fate Crusher · Mar 25, 2011, 09:51 PM // 21:51

Urgoz himself is the easiest thing in the world.

EoE and some degen, kite all over the place and pop all the spawns. Urgoz takes damage every time the spawns blow up.
You don't even need to be in attack range, just ping heroes for EoE to reach him and pop the spawns all over the room.

So much fun ^^

AngelWJedi · Mar 26, 2011, 04:16 AM // 04:16

can also try to do it with a friend and their heros. i heard this was doable.

SmokingHotImolation · Mar 26, 2011, 09:24 AM // 09:24

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Originally Posted by Fate Crusher

Urgoz himself is the easiest thing in the world.

EoE and some degen, kite all over the place and pop all the spawns. Urgoz takes damage every time the spawns blow up.
You don't even need to be in attack range, just ping heroes for EoE to reach him and pop the spawns all over the room.

So much fun ^^

Have you actually done this? Because im not sure how you would do that with heroes. They don't kite away from the spawns so it would take an insane amount of flagging.

Not sure why you would recommend degen. For urgoz skills like spoil victor and VoR are better since he spams the hell out of forrest binding.

Ranger Jaap · Mar 26, 2011, 11:11 AM // 11:11

for urgoz heros flag your heros on a safe spot. kite the exploding plants with players. keep healer heros just enough in range for you to heal

ShaneOfMach · Mar 27, 2011, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Bring a UA monk and just park him out of Urgoz's range.

Run around like chickens with your heads cut off, whenever someone dies let your monks res them.

Fate Crusher · Mar 28, 2011, 07:25 AM // 07:25

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Originally Posted by SmokingHotImolation

Have you actually done this? Because im not sure how you would do that with heroes. They don't kite away from the spawns so it would take an insane amount of flagging.

Not sure why you would recommend degen. For urgoz skills like spoil victor and VoR are better since he spams the hell out of forrest binding.

Of course I've done this. You haven't understood the concept from the get go. Flag your heroes in a safe spot, usually just inside one of the entrance doors (EoE reaches Urgoz from there) and spawn the exploding plants by yourself. Urgoz is a plant and so will take damage every time the plants blow up. One person is capable of spawning loads of these things, just be careful of getting trapped in them.

I recommended degen because you shouldn't be attacking Urgoz. He's a stationary boss and so you can fire away any form of degen and run away before you get ruined by his bow attacks. I thought this was fairly explanatory. EoE is the main damage, but any sort of degen to help bring his health down slightly without having to directly attack him, is welcome. And for the punchline: EoE won't work until he's below 90% hp, so you need to do at least something.

Hope I explained it enough this time. >.>

mage767 · Mar 28, 2011, 07:48 AM // 07:48

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Originally Posted by Fate Crusher

Of course I've done this. You haven't understood the concept from the get go. Flag your heroes in a safe spot, usually just inside one of the entrance doors (EoE reaches Urgoz from there) and spawn the exploding plants by yourself. Urgoz is a plant and so will take damage every time the plants blow up. One person is capable of spawning loads of these things, just be careful of getting trapped in them.

I recommended degen because you shouldn't be attacking Urgoz. He's a stationary boss and so you can fire away from degen and run away before you get ruined by his bow attacks. I thought this was fairly explanatory. EoE is the main damage, but any sort of degen to help bring his health down slightly without having to directly attack him, is welcome. And for the punchline: EoE won't work until he's below 90% hp, so you need to do at least something.

Hope I explained it enough this time. >.>

Have you played GW before?

The EOE trick requires one to go /R, but the problem is that the plant bomb will appear as you place the spirit. You can escape it, but your EOE spirit will explode. So, EOE is hard to place in Urgoz's room for EOE to be in range and not get destoryed without teleport. The way to get around this is to play Rt/R, and teleport EOE spirit with the rit PvE skill to a safe place, right after using it.

However, this poses a serious problem! You should either be Rt/R or R/Rt. And you cannot teleport EOE made by heroes, so GG there. Any other profession is at a loss. So....

Let's see what you should do. First of all, you must be /N because you need to tele up and open the door one of the earlier rooms. That means you can be Any/N or N/any. Thus, you cannot be Rt+R for using EOE effectively at the same time at Urgoz. In other words, you cannot achieve high-speed Urgoz killing once you reach him with your N/any or any/N bar.

Killing Urgoz using EOE is NOT mandatory, but tele-ing to open the door IS. So, you must go any/N or N/any. You must figure out how to kill Urgoz by some other means....think damage/conditions. Obviously, there are PLENTY of options to kill Urgoz, but these are slow, and Urgoz will go down in 5 minutes instead of 30 seconds (as in EOE). Still, you will get the job done. Some of your skill options for killing Urgoz are:

Mo/N: RoJ + signets

Me/N: Fevered dreams + fragility + pve skills (YMLD, Fire Djinn) [ personal favorite]

Ele/N: Bring any fire degen or Shockwave/Savannah (URgoz doesn't move). Might wanna blind Urgoz and then dance off as you continue the lightning strikes.

A/N, D/N, W/N: Bring spoil victor (SV) andshow your awesome dance skills near Urgoz

P/N: Stunning strike + fast attack skills

R/N: Plain degen...poison, fire etc

The whole run in NM takes no more than 40min (if you pop 1 BU only, and nothing else). Good for those who want to get it done for HOM. I used to run this for people, but I'm done running. Do it yourself now...you have 7 heroes. Bring a friend with extra 3 heroes, and do it even faster. Go HM if you are a seasoned Urgoz player w/ heroes, but you might need a full conset. It can get nasty in some places.

Fate Crusher · Mar 28, 2011, 11:42 AM // 11:42

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Originally Posted by mage767

The EOE trick requires one to go /R, but the problem is that the plant bomb will appear as you place the spirit.

Everything you said was agreeable apart from this.

Obviously micro a hero to go /R for the spirit. Obviously a Rit who is spamming spirits all day will be at home having EoE on the bar, so there really is no stretch on required skills to take (I'd say EoE is one of the most useful because of the constant mobs you face in the rooms). Obviously you shouldn't put EoE in the area of the exploding plants.

As I've said twice, you can place the spirit just by one of the entrances (just on the incline). Plants do not spawn up there.

I've done this countless of times, triggering EoE like this and popping degen on him is the safest way to down him before he 2-shots your entire team (this was a boss with 12 people in mind, remember). But none of your suggestions will work because you're carrying 7 heroes that need to kite the exploding plants, they will be ruined in seconds. Unless you're suggesting to attack Urgoz solo?

PS, I didn't know SV worked, don't you have to tank his damage as well?

mage767 · Mar 28, 2011, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by Fate Crusher

Everything you said was agreeable apart from this.

Obviously micro a hero to go /R for the spirit. Obviously a Rit who is spamming spirits all day will be at home having EoE on the bar, so there really is no stretch on required skills to take (I'd say EoE is one of the most useful because of the constant mobs you face in the rooms). Obviously you shouldn't put EoE in the area of the exploding plants.

As I've said twice, you can place the spirit just by one of the entrances (just on the incline). Plants do not spawn up there.

I've done this countless of times, triggering EoE like this and popping degen on him is the safest way to down him before he 2-shots your entire team (this was a boss with 12 people in mind, remember). But none of your suggestions will work because you're carrying 7 heroes that need to kite the exploding plants, they will be ruined in seconds. Unless you're suggesting to attack Urgoz solo?

PS, I didn't know SV worked, don't you have to tank his damage as well?

As I have said, hero EOE will not work because exploding plants will wipe it. I have verified placing spirits with hero outside exploding plants range, while I was near Urgoz. The "safe" EOE does not reach Urgoz...which is why I said it is useless in hero teams.

The player can solo kill Urgoz with degen and other tricks, it just takes ....like 5 minutes. Big deal? The 2 sidekick guardians don't heal Urgoz.

Urgoz dealing damage to player is not a big issue unless the player is 1) dumb enough to stand and attack, 2) lags bad. Run front to Urgoz, spam skills in 2 seconds, run back for heals/prots, and redo until he is dead.