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bhavv · Mar 07, 2011, 12:04 AM // 00:04

SV + SS should tear Dhuum and most of the enemies in the UW down really fast.

Im thinking of what I should swap my ineptitude for to get more damage but also with the same amount of enemy nullification. I dont think that anything else would be better though.

My damage when the whole group was together is fine, splitting the rits is useless because the terrorwebs just destroy the spirits.

It would work better if I have the Mesmers + SS necros in front with the Rits + SV + Monk behind, and then myselff right at the back spamming to keep my energy full, but the problem with 4H is that they come from both sides

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Originally Posted by Deatgs Corrupter

with mesmers and SV and ss instead with xinraes healer.

If you're playing as a rit, then you shouldnt need a Xinraes healer. If you play a Soul Twisting prot rit, you should be fine with a similar necro + monk to my setup.

Soul Twisting is also far easier to play than bonder is, on the harder bits you just make sure to keep shelter up all the time, and you have almost the same protection as a prot bonder without having to waste the rest of your bar on energy skills.

Oh, I can change one of the Illusion mesmer's interupts to fragility, that will help with all the AoE condition skills I have

I refined my builds a bit:

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3498/gw074v.jpg

I added more damage to the mesmers - I swapped leech signet to overload on the domination mes, and changed the Illusion mesmers domination splash skills to sig of clumsiness + fragility. I added in some more healing on the rits by swapping their resses to PWK, and I changed my Aegis to EBSOC, because I didnt have any problem at all with Aatxes + Graspings, the biggest problem is terrorwebs, and the ward would be more useful against those than Aegis is.

tamora · Mar 07, 2011, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Originally Posted by Deatgs Corrupter

there ya go guys most of builds in screenies took about 2hours cons all the way dhuum took another 30mins.

http://img199.imageshack.us/f/gw621.jpg/
http://img199.imageshack.us/f/gw621.jpg/

do u mind posting ur builds? i wanted to try them as well and the skill icons are a bit small.

bhavv · Mar 08, 2011, 07:18 AM // 07:18

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Originally Posted by tamora

do u mind posting ur builds? i wanted to try them as well and the skill icons are a bit small.

Seriously, dont take discordway into UW. The MM is completely useless because most enemies dont have corpses. Discord is useless because lots of enemies are resistant to a lot of conditions, and Dhuum is resistant to ALL conditions.

Searing Flames is useless because it wont work on Dhuum, and I just tried swapping my two rits for SF ellys and everything was actually slower.

Builds that depend on conditions or minions are bad in UW. Hexway + spirit spam is a better choice, and beating 4H, Servents of Grenth and Unwanted Guests is going be insanely difficult with any kind of hero team.

Gabriel of Ravn · Mar 08, 2011, 07:29 AM // 07:29

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Builds that depend on conditions or minions are bad in UW. Hexway + spirit spam is a better choice, and beating 4H, Servents of Grenth and Unwanted Guests is going be insanely difficult with any kind of hero team.

Unwanted guest was insanely easy for me I died once because my heroes got stuck for a few seconds too long but they got through and I was the only death there.
4 horsemen I killed 1 side off but due to bad flagging I flagged my heroes away from the reaper because I clicked X before me and the other 3 heroes could come back dumb mistake on my part.
Servants of Grenth is the only one I can see there being a real degree of difficulty besides Dhumm himself of course.

chiuna · Mar 08, 2011, 09:27 AM // 09:27

This was already possible with 6 heroes ages ago. Here's a post I made before describing a build I used last summer. Having 7 just makes it even easier!

Gabs88 · Mar 08, 2011, 09:48 AM // 09:48

Well I didnt even have a clue running around in there, did all up to 4 horsemen. Wiped there but pretty sure I would have made it with another try noprob

[Nika] · Mar 08, 2011, 10:00 AM // 10:00

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Originally Posted by Zanagi Kazuhiko

maybe with 6 heroes yes, you need perma sin and emo bonder

I lol'd hard!

As JDF sin with a roj; sos-hybrid; soultwist-rit; panic; inep emo-healer (not bonder); and some variables you can complete in nm in ~1:50 with 1 conset at dhuum.

Carboplatin · Mar 08, 2011, 02:00 PM // 14:00

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Originally Posted by [Nika]

I lol'd hard!

As JDF sin with a roj; sos-hybrid; soultwist-rit; panic; inep emo-healer (not bonder); and some variables you can complete in nm in ~1:50 with 1 conset at dhuum.

Whats a JDF sin?

I've am working on doing NM with my warrior w/o cons. Its pretty easy to do with the E/Mo and SoS Rts.

It would be fun to see some other professions being able to do it.

[Nika] · Mar 09, 2011, 03:06 PM // 15:06

Sorry: JFD -sin -> Jagged strike ; fox fangs; death blossom spammer.

Xslash · Mar 09, 2011, 10:23 PM // 22:23

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Originally Posted by tamora

do u mind posting ur builds? i wanted to try them as well and the skill icons are a bit small.

cant believe i know all those spells by icon, but here u go:

player: vampirism, bloodsong, signet of spirits, armor of unfeeling, summon spirits (luxon), painful bond, spirit siphon, ebon battle standard of wisdom

boon of creation, soul twisting, union, shelter, displacement, armor of unfeeling, signet of creation, flesh of my flesh.

discord, signet of lost souls, putrid biles, animate bone minions, protective spirit, shield of absorption, aegis, convert hexes

discord, animate shambling horror, enfeebling blood, spirit light, protective was kaolai, mend body and soul, recovery, flesh of my flesh

discord, signet of lost souls, weapon of warding, spirit light, mend body and soul, protective was kaolai, life, flesh of my flesh

signet of ghostly might, dissonace, disenchantment, anguish, shadowsong, armor of unfeeling, signet of creation, boon of creation

unyielding aura, cure hex, spotless mind, dwaynas kiss, patient spirit, signet of rejuvenation, waste not want not, leech signet

panic, cry of frustration, leech signet, power drain, drain enchantment, mind wrack, shatter delusions, resurrection chant

though i agree with the other dood, i wouldnt run discord in uw either.

Dzjudz · Mar 10, 2011, 01:37 AM // 01:37

Tried UW NM today with 7 heroes. No cons. Note: I have only done the Dhuum UW (with new Terrorwebs spawns etc) once before with a full human guild party with two ER bonders.

Me: SoS rit
- ER Prot
- Resto necro with Ravenous Gaze as elite
- AotL bone fiend MM
- Panic mes
- Ineptitude mes
- Command para
- ST communing/channeling hybrid

Pretty much this build, the first 6 mini skill bar heroes, the first player bar myself and then an ST communing/channeling rit (not in my Sandbox). I figured Enfeebling Blood and Shadow of Fear weren't really necessary in NM.

Chamber and Vale were a piece of pie of course. No danger to fail there.

Escort and Unwanted Guests were pretty easy as well. Spirits caught up with me a bit during Escort, but no problems.

Mountains on the way to Planes, no trouble either.

4 Horsemen. I just stayed near the Reaper, flagged my heroes slightly to one side of him and spirit pooped the other side. Must say, I thought it would be harder, it was over pretty fast. I remember there being more spawns from back when I used to do UWSC (before 2010 SF nerf).

Pools is similar to Mountains in difficulty, just pull 1 or 2 groups at a time and there's no danger.

Pits is where I failed. I wasn't familiar with the Dhuum version of it and a couple of Skeletons honed in on a spirit. Tried to manually ER Prot him, but it was too late. I should've prepared better. All I did now was flag my heroes to the spirit spawn and get the quest myself. I should have set up my own spirits, the ST's spirits and maybe flagged my heroes apart a little to cover more aggro ground.

The fail occurred at 1:34 /age.

Anyway, I didn't get to try Wastes, but I'll do this again definitely. My party was never in trouble of wiping. 0 deaths. ER Prot and a resto is enough to keep the party alive in NM.

Xslash · Mar 10, 2011, 08:36 AM // 08:36

steps/tips to do UW with 7 heroes:

1. bars arent even that important. cept for panic. rest big damage and some prots. i didnt bother runing or weaponing up heroes, cuz its all sold out and i used merch heroes because razah requires NF beat.

But here are my bars anyway:
I was ER Prot: ER Aura of restoration, burning speed, prot bond, infuse, heal party, breath of great dwarf. (8th skill is BYOPVE Skill)

These 3 heroes in slot 1-3
UA monk ( to rez me)
SoS Rit (the smaller group of heroes needs the more OP bars aka spirit spam)
SoGM Rit

The other heroes (These are not optimal builds, some heroes ran with 7 skills because of new account and not that many unlocked skills. I highly recommend ignoring this part, but I included it anyway if u need somewhere to start.

Panic Hero

A necro with just points in command, fallback, brace yourself, stand your ground, anthem of envy ( for spirit damage).

UG Ele Hero - Identical to the HA UG bar.

a hero ER Prot (this can be replaced in NM, but in HM, since im dead when the heroes are away, they like dying)

2. clear the chamber, take restore monuments. then flag ur heroes away from u; run towards vale and suicide.

3. now that are dead, u can flag your heroes around. walk towards wastes, there will be an bladed aaxte group and a grasping group + a skeleton. kill that, and then the rest of the path to wastes should be clear. Its like speedbooking, the enemies just don't spawn that far away from you. Walk up to wastes monument, kill the 3 dyrders, pop that reaper.

4. go towards mountain with your heroes. In NM you may have to kill the behemoths, because for some reason in NM they cast traps for fun. In HM, they dont start traps until u get there so u can just walk past.

5. After those behemoths, no more enemies will spawn. now you can freely walk up to mountain reaper, pits, plains, pools reaper and only vs 3 terrorweb dyrders. If you want to go fast, u probably want texmod (yes texmod now provides an ingame advantage) with the cartographer mod. This way the UW Map shows up instead of a black undiscovered area.

6. Now split heroes 1,2,3 to mountain - > pits..4,5,6 to plains then pools. After u clear pits, just flag the #1 hero along a corner with 2 walls that both face towards chamber. unflag him and he'll glitch out and teleport back to your dead body. (make sure u put rez on that hero). It is because the AI believes it is stuck and has no way to get back to u, so it just teleports to u.

7. Now you basically have restore monuments done. Only one left is Vale, and that is a joke. just rickroll that one later.

8. Have that hero rez you. and now u can teleport to each area. be ready to heal the reaper. I bring infuse for his ass. Kill the enemies in the area, make sure none of ur heroes are flagged in some faraway land because they will just run into a wall.

9. For pools, u probably want to clear a path to terrorweb queen before taking the quest, because quest spawns more enemies.

10. The most difficult quest is probably 4H. For 4H, all you have to do is Flag the Heroes where Ghozer Spawns. You sit alive at the Plains Reaper. Take the quest, they will kill Ghozer's group, and then you teleport to anywhere, and back to plains. This essentially takes out 1/4 of the enemies that you will have to fight at the monument, making it alot easier.

11. For wastes, I was playing ER prot bond, I'm not sure how else to do it, but I just stood by the reaper, took quest, and had my heroes flaged in the center. then just spammed burning speed and some party heal stuff, like breath of great dwarf or heal party or something.

12. For pits, the main group of enemies come from the way u normally enter pits. However, since heroes 4-7 ball up like no other, I sent them to the back, and had heroes 1-3 spread out in the front. That makes shit easier, 4-7 will kill the back few enemies quickly and can help front.

13. For Unwanted, have the heroes stand at the entrance to chamber when you take quest, they can kill that keeper, then walk towards chamber and kill that keeper too. You can teleport anywhere and find a good angle to hit the keeper alone, or just protbond up and rolfstomp the keepers.

14. Wraithful spirits: U cannot possibly die here with 8 ppl on your team.

15. Escort Souls: If you dont have enough killing power to beat the souls moving, dont go in yourself. Just flag your heroes into the mindblades, then ping the enemy (ie. "I'm targeting blah blah blah"). This makes the souls stick on you like glue. Luckily heroes will never ping so they will never steal the souls from u.

16. Demon Assassin: Flag your heroes at the bottom, where those couple behemoths would be. Those ones that are sometimes in range of the reaper.
They can kill the Demon assassin long before the dyrders arrive, then u just talk to the reaper and gtfo of there.

17. Dhuum: mesmers interrupt like champions, dhuum won't get off a judgement, if he does, start infusing bitches.

This may be confusing with just words, I'll probably post pictures after finals.

The basic concept is: UW works just like Against the Charr Hero Speedbook or if anyone remembers, HFFF.
Only quest enemies spawn aka. only 3 dydrers spawn. This makes UW easier because you now get to counter less enemies, giving you flexibility in the bars.

tamora · Mar 10, 2011, 07:48 PM // 19:48

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Originally Posted by Xslash

cant believe i know all those spells by icon, but here u go:

*snip*

cool, thx a lot.

so far i always wiped at the wastes...

Ewa Kirch · Mar 11, 2011, 06:41 AM // 06:41

Well I did it with the following:
Ss necro with rt heals
Sv necro with rt heals
Smite monk with party heals/hex removal
UA monk
Panic mes
Keystone mes
Earth ele with wards – ele/melee/stability & fall back
Me as sos with pi

SV necro was for Dhumm – but he turned to ghost first – so was a waste of time, all heros ended up as ghosts, but with spirits and PI I was able to take dhumm down!

For 4H I delayed one side while heros took out the other, when my side got close to reaper I unflagged heros and they ran and helped me.

Ranger Jaap · Mar 11, 2011, 05:24 PM // 17:24

Meh i keep failing at the four horsemen. can someone give me advice.

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Originally Posted by Xslash

steps/tips to do UW with 7 heroes:

How long did this take did you do NM or HM cons/no cons.

Why? · Mar 11, 2011, 08:21 PM // 20:21

i did quite a bit until one of the foolish npc's died during the unwanted guests quest.

I only had a UA monk for healing, no other heals at all.
I think this will be rather easy to finish once i actually learn UW, I am pretty sure this was my first trip ever to UW.

My New Name · Mar 13, 2011, 01:13 PM // 13:13

well did whole chamber and vale np,mnts were np as well then wanted to try 4h and failed big time
was running a war tho so i microed the rits SS and i pretty much failed in it :P
i think 4h can be done with a player SoS but a little harder with microing heroes :P

[Nika] · Mar 13, 2011, 01:33 PM // 13:33

What should be so hard at 4H? Ok it isnt easy but, if you stay at the reaper and first kill all Dryders then skeles and after the skeles the white dryders and after them the 4 bosses then its not a big deal.
When the Riders arrive a Panic mes can completly take out 1 of both sides so you as (prefered) Sin can kill the other dryders using splinterweapon and mop.
Then you take the other side and so on..

Dzjudz · Mar 13, 2011, 04:49 PM // 16:49

I killed the Skeles first though. Against Dryders you can prot.

powerslave · Mar 14, 2011, 01:18 PM // 13:18

I might try UW with 7 heroes. Something along the lines of 2 necros (SS / SV), 2 mesmers (panic / ineptitude), 2 ritualists and still deciding on the last char.

What is the best order of doing the quests in UW?