Curse

zero design · Jun 01, 2011, 07:12 PM // 19:12

This build concentrates on getting enemies down very quick and getting max defence out of paragons.

Because i combine "They're on Fire!" with "There's Nothing to Fear!" and save yourself i almost take no dmg.

I will explain the ranger and the 3rd paragon build that are most important to me.

The ranger needs to apply burning all the time. Incendiary arrows take care of this + also adds poison from Poison tip sig. This ranger( and also paragons) will deal large bonus amount of dmg ( with OoP, Anthem of Envy, conjure flame, expert focus, EBSoH, barbs.)
You will have to micro this ranger his Lightning reflexes because he'll only use it when he is getting attacked.

My 3rd paragon needs alot of energy because he has to apply his chants and echos on the teammembers. So i have chosen "TPIY!" because its spammable. Because he has good energy management, he can put blazing finale on alot of teammebers. This causes burning for 5 seconds on adjenct foes whenever shout or chant ends on that person.
I got 11 ( shouts + chants) total. So you can see how much burning this will cause and how much health the teammembers will get from Finale of restoration.

I only took 2 discords because when the heroes are done with casting discord, the foe is already at 50% health so id rather take Icy veins on my 3rd necro for a spammable, hard dmg hex.
I can easily finish a Nightfall vanquish ( 270 foes) in 40 minutes. (without having to search for stupid survivors i've missed^^)

rcox100 · Jun 01, 2011, 08:10 PM // 20:10

looks nice, i plan on trying it, so you say you have used it multiple times and it works great?

Haggis of Doom · Jun 01, 2011, 08:27 PM // 20:27

Some criticism from a first eyeballing:

- If you use Orders, don't use Conjure;

- Putrid Explosion < Death Nova. If you're going to use Bone Minions, DN is a must;

- Icy Veins is useless in HM, slap some resto on a SoS and you have an equally efficient healer;

- Poison Tip Signet is useless. Burning + Discord is already a tricky if workable combo (key here is to spam burning everywhere so that the pressure isn't wasted by the spike), single target poison won't do anything except waste time. In fact, that ranger should be replaced by a third para;

- Mark of Fury is redundant when there already is Dark Fury;

- Demonic Flesh? Are you sure you want your Orders surrounded by ennemies? :s

- Orders don't really warrant ER. A N/ Orders will easily outperform this one and can bring some curses to boot.

Mike Jack · Jun 01, 2011, 08:28 PM // 20:28

The ranger is extremely redundant and/or weak. Poison Tip Signet is a joke and can't spread burning that well.

Demonic Flesh on an ER? Do you have a totem axe on him or something?

Overall, your bar has very little AoE damage. Icy Veins deals very little damage and Putrid Explosion is the only real AoE damage you have.Orders doesn't affect the ranger. Seems like just another Discord variant to me.

Xsiriss · Jun 01, 2011, 08:53 PM // 20:53

Use an SF ele or use mark of rodgort with fire nukes instead of the ranger. Orders necro is a bit useless, may aswell use something like a panic mes or SoS.

Lanier · Jun 01, 2011, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Originally Posted by Xsiriss

Orders necro is a bit useless, may aswell use something like a panic mes or SoS.

Orders is highly useful when using multple physicals, i use it in my triple-paragon hero build.

Ghost Dog · Jun 01, 2011, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by Xsiriss

Use an SF ele or use mark of rodgort with fire nukes instead of the ranger. Orders necro is a bit useless, may aswell use something like a panic mes or SoS.

An SF ele is useful?

chuckles79 · Jun 01, 2011, 10:12 PM // 22:12

First off I would swap out TPIY on your motigon for Empath Removal. You have only one hex removal skill and it's the weakest one in the game.
The ranger is not a horrible idea, but the way it's being used is. Swap out poison sig and some of the plain damage attacks with interrupts, and add in Keen Arrow if you are going to spam GftE.
I agree with most people, in that you might as well go three discords.
Swap out demonic flesh with Aura of Restoration for e and health mgmt.

Lastly as a point of style, you don't have to explain what your character paragon does, we all know what an imbagon is.
Thanks!

ian1421 · Jun 01, 2011, 10:19 PM // 22:19

id remove the res skills of healers and leave it to the paras and ranger

Xsiriss · Jun 01, 2011, 11:03 PM // 23:03

One of the points in a physway is to avoid reliance on spell oriented dps, including a reliance on buffs. Orders is fragile and doesn't work in every situation (ench removal,general caster rape), this being especially the case when you have no caster control. The reason why I suggested and SF ele is obviously to maintain burning rather than DPS. You can slap curses skills on to them pretty easil, like barbs (replacing the barbs on the 2nd necro for MoP) and enfeebling blood. Infact you may aswell replace the IV necro with an SoS,spirit rift can cause mass cracked armour just as effectively as well as provide more damage output. That and splinter wep+ancestors rage will give you decent AoE damage.

Haggis of Doom · Jun 01, 2011, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by Xsiriss

One of the points in a physway is to avoid reliance on spell oriented dps, including a reliance on buffs.

Nope. Splinter/GDW, MoP and Barbs aren't the only things that make physway ridiculously strong, SoH and Orders too. I think you're mixing up physway and manly spike teams.

When facing horrendous amounts of enchant stripping, an Orders guy is a great addition to a physical team. Low recharge party wide enchants to cover your PS/SoA and whatnot, they serve your team whether they get stripped or not. SoH is hit harder by enchant stripping, but the only buff I wouldn't bring because of the stripping is Conjure, which is already out of the window in any case.

zero design · Jun 01, 2011, 11:30 PM // 23:30

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Originally Posted by Xsiriss

One of the points in a physway is to avoid reliance on spell oriented dps, including a reliance on buffs. Orders is fragile and doesn't work in every situation (ench removal,general caster rape), this being especially the case when you have no caster control. The reason why I suggested and SF ele is obviously to maintain burning rather than DPS. You can slap curses skills on to them pretty easil, like barbs (replacing the barbs on the 2nd necro for MoP) and enfeebling blood. Infact you may aswell replace the IV necro with an SoS,spirit rift can cause mass cracked armour just as effectively as well as provide more damage output. That and splinter wep+ancestors rage will give you decent AoE damage.

Thx this is rly usefull. I think i'll replace ranger with SF ele and the IV necro for SOS

greenough · Jun 01, 2011, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by Haggis of Doom

Some criticism from a first eyeballing:

- Putrid Explosion < Death Nova. If you're going to use Bone Minions, DN is a must;

don't think putting death nova on his only hero with prots is a good idea, especially when it has a long cast with minions also, you'll have no prots going up. the 3 hero discord way is a thing of the past

jensyea · Jun 01, 2011, 11:47 PM // 23:47

Just swap one of your discords out for this:
Rt/N

spirits gift - explosive growth - animate bone minions - aotl - death nova - boon of creation and energetic was lee sa leaving an optional.
Best bomber, ever.
...
srsly

ever!

edit: omg forgot death nova

Haggis of Doom · Jun 02, 2011, 01:05 AM // 01:05

^The Rt/N is strong, but lacks utility that N/ bombers can pack. His team's caster bars are already needing more compression.

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Originally Posted by greenough

don't think putting death nova on his only hero with prots is a good idea, especially when it has a long cast with minions also, you'll have no prots going up. the 3 hero discord way is a thing of the past

Indeed, DN and prot on the same bar isn't the best thing ever. That's an argument to move prot elsewhere however, not to ditch DN. I have no love for Discord either, but DN has nothing to do with Discord. Apart from the fact that DN was a huge chunk of Discordway's DPS.