Curse

mage767 · Mar 29, 2011, 09:16 AM // 09:16

I might participate in this with my Fragway. Raisu HM is easy, but GoM HM is tricky without LB. As for Hells Precipice, that won't be too bad, me guesses. I will use the same build for all 3 areas.

Finished Raisu HM: Trial # 1 gave me 13:06 with Fragway. I will update this If I improve on subsequent runs. Screenshots of inv and party at beginning and end were taken, and also before final bosses. No micro (did not use hero flags to skip certain unncessary groups), no cons, no skills were disabled at all.

Screens:
Start
Before Rit Boss
Before Final Bosses @ 11:XX min
Mission completion: 13:06 min

Tried Hells Precipice HM: Finished bonus by 13 min, reached Rurik at 18 min, then got wiped due to human error. I didn't notice the spark eles. Since micro is not allowed and heroes balled up nicely, it was a pretty cool wipe -.-, got screen when I got to Rurik. Killed every enemy on my way to Rurik. Hey, at least I got bonus!

Just after starting mission
Talked to Seer, picked bonus and continue...
No microing....
Bonus completed @ 13:XX min
Clearing all the rest of enemies...
Reached Rurik at 18:XX...again no micro (i.e. no spirit setup manually), this is where I died due to spark titans!

Kaida the Heartless · Mar 29, 2011, 09:26 AM // 09:26

He's saying we have no "control group" in our scientific method. We are still including too many variables. We need to decide on the two contending builds, then have the players run them so we can have the least number of variables active whilst collecting data.

Although right, he could stand to lose the ego. :P

EFGJack · Mar 29, 2011, 09:38 AM // 09:38

Here's times you (the contestants) can use to measure your own performance

Raisu: 9:47

Raisu Palace - start
Raisu Palace - end (1)
Raisu Palace - end (2)

Gate of Madness: 16:XX

Gate of Madness - Start(ish)
Gate of Madness - Middle (1)
Gate of Madness - Middle (2)
Gate of Madness - end

Hells Precipice: 17:XX

Hell's Precipice - bonus
Hell's Precipice - Rurik
Hell's Precipice - end

I'm sure everyone relevant has R8 LB so I took the liberty to have the title on during GoM HM.

Bright Star Shine · Mar 29, 2011, 09:57 AM // 09:57

Well, you kind of screwed over everything I had planned for today, but f*ck it, this is going down... Also, Jeydra, screw you, I ain't paying you 50e for this challenge, I will if I can't beat you in DoA, which we both know I will, with ease. Well, at least now I see what kind of person you are. Pretty sad though. First challenging me to do all kinds of stuff, stuff I was never involved in at the first place, because I never claimed anything for S/D/M. Calling me out for not being man enough, and when I do take it, challenge you for something, offering you actual money for it, you prove my point that you're not the Hero god you claim to be, but you even drag that money reward to your own challenge, lol. Sad sod that you are.

You kind of forced me to use my ele in Hell's Precipice, because she's the only one there, and since rules dictate using the same builds, I'll have to. I disgaree to rule 5 though, because I NEVER, EVER claimed S/D/M is superior to anything! Ever! So I don't see why I should run that silly bar. The only reason I got dragged into this, is because Jeydra was so kind to tell me I wouldn't do it. Well, gonna have breakfast, cause I just woke up to this, and ima be doing Raisu. Also, using 3 offensive monks is fcking stupid. This would be completely crippling myself. I will use whatever strong hero build I can come up with, and it will most likely contain 1 offensive monk. I will prove that your ele heroes will be outdone by armor ignoring damage, and that's it, I'm not gonna let you dictate every little thing I have to do. At least my challenge said: do whatever the hell you want, at least I didn't force any rules onto anyone..

Bright Star Shine · Mar 29, 2011, 12:03 PM // 12:03

this was precious time I should be spending on Calculus 2, of which I have a test on friday, so you should all be very happy you are wasting my time. I only tried once, and I am most likely not gonna try it again, because you kind of picked the worst week remotely possible to be wasting my time.

Also, I'm pretty sure I won't even come remotely close to beating your time, EFGJack, because that is pretty fast over there. I wanted to use my ssin here tbh, but since a. Jeydra is being a whiny bitch (as usual) and b. this silly contest rules dictate I can't use any different builds, I'm gonna have to do with this.

Raisu: 13:09
Start
Finish-ish
Actual time

Now, if you don't mind, I'm going to do more important stuff.

EFGJack · Mar 29, 2011, 12:09 PM // 12:09

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

this was precious time I should be spending on Calculus 2, of which I have a test on friday, so you should all be very happy you are wasting my time. I only tried once, and I am most likely not gonna try it again, because you kind of picked the worst week remotely possible to be wasting my time.

Also, I'm pretty sure I won't even come remotely close to beating your time, EFGJack, because that is pretty fast over there. I wanted to use my ssin here tbh, but since a. Jeydra is being a whiny bitch (as usual) and b. this silly contest rules dictate I can't use any different builds, I'm gonna have to do with this.

Raisu: 13:09
Start
Finish-ish
Actual time

Now, if you don't mind, I'm going to do more important stuff.

I'm not participating fyi, just advertising my own build & setting the ground times for the lot of you ;>

Jeydra · Mar 29, 2011, 12:17 PM // 12:17

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Originally Posted by Gabs88

I took screenshots before and after showing inventory and all but it turns out none of them showed any inventory icons or anything at all like that so I just took the last one I had, posted it in paint saved it and went on with it. Cause frankly since this has turned in to the paralymics anyhow I dont really give a shit and there's no doubt that a few secounds can be shaved off that one using a perfect Raiasu palace build.

First try, and only try I'm gonna do at it.

The remaining two missions will be done ASAP and i'll be trying to get screenshots as I move thru em of the bonus and stuff but if it doesnt work im not gonna care, i'll post final times regardless and you people can be damned and think what you want

I think you are slower than me despite competing in the Olympics and I in the Paralympics.

http://img88.imageshack.us/i/gw065j.jpg/
http://img34.imageshack.us/i/gw066f.jpg/
http://img703.imageshack.us/f/gw067.jpg/

Raisu HM, 9:24. I can probably get it faster on repeating it a few times. Screenshots not complete (like I said, I concentrate very hard when I'm on a speed run ...), but I can go get those if really necessary easily.

@Bright Star Shine: 4 minutes. Four full minutes, out of a mission complete time that's about 11 minutes at worst. Yeah ...

Bright Star Shine · Mar 29, 2011, 12:47 PM // 12:47

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Originally Posted by Jeydra

I think you are slower than me despite competing in the Olympics and I in the Paralympics.

http://img88.imageshack.us/i/gw065j.jpg/
http://img34.imageshack.us/i/gw066f.jpg/
http://img703.imageshack.us/f/gw067.jpg/

Raisu HM, 9:24. I can probably get it faster on repeating it a few times. Screenshots not complete (like I said, I concentrate very hard when I'm on a speed run ...), but I can go get those if really necessary easily.

@Bright Star Shine: 4 minutes. Four full minutes, out of a mission complete time that's about 11 minutes at worst. Yeah ...

Hey you there, let's do a DoA hero race, let's see by how many minutes I'll beat you there, wanna bet it's a lot more than 4? Oh right, you're too much of a wimp to even try.

EDIT: tried again, using 3 offesive-ish monk heroes. Got 30secs off it, but that's about it.

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Finish

Not gonna use this for the other missions though. I wonder howmany groups you guys skipped though, because I already skipped quite a few, yet still wasn't so fast. I didn't micro a single skill though, because I don't like micro'ing.

aga · Mar 29, 2011, 01:31 PM // 13:31

If this was going to be a fair challenge, then the rules could do with some changing. Since Bright does have to use his ele, when he already stated that he thinks ele do aweful damage in HM, which is true when you consider they are supposed to be a nuking class. So to make it fairer allow him to use his sin, or whatever class he wishes, or this challenege will be just like his DoA challange aimed at Jeydra.

Bright Star Shine · Mar 29, 2011, 01:46 PM // 13:46

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Originally Posted by aga

If this was going to be a fair challenge, then the rules could do with some changing. Since Bright does have to use his ele, when he already stated that he thinks ele do aweful damage in HM, which is true when you consider they are supposed to be a nuking class. So to make it fairer allow him to use his sin, or whatever class he wishes, or this challenege will be just like his DoA challange aimed at Jeydra.

Nah, I'm fine dude, I'm just doing this to prove I'm not all words, and that I will participate.. Although, indeed, I would be better off on my ssin.. And Jeydra will most likely beat me, something I knew from the start. Let him stroke his own ego, I don't mind, he showed me what kind of little bitch he is, that's all I needed.

Anyway: GoM 18 minutes. Almost wiped at the 4th portal, was being a little too brave. Also, the lich almost died when capping shrines lol, weak bastard..

Start
Finish (this time without redengine in there xD)

Lich died after that very Lightning orb I was in the middle of casting.

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Originally Posted by Gabs88

http://tinyurl.com/64632y6

Youre link just got Red Engine Gored xP

Ha, lol, I'll remember that for next time xD Didn't think about that^^

Gabs88 · Mar 29, 2011, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

Start
Finish

http://tinyurl.com/64632y6

Youre link just got Red Engine Gored xP

Squishy ftw · Mar 29, 2011, 01:53 PM // 13:53

I don't think I'm quite getting this. So in order to 'decide' which is the best/fastest killing 7H setup you're doing a few HM missions ... where tactics are a major deciding factor in time... ?

IMO this should be a few vanquishes with a straight-forward fastest route and no silly patrols. So the only difference in time can, and will, be how fast you kill. No?

Bright Star Shine · Mar 29, 2011, 02:08 PM // 14:08

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Originally Posted by Squishy ftw

I don't think I'm quite getting this. So in order to 'decide' which is the best/fastest killing 7H setup you're doing a few HM missions ... where tactics are a major deciding factor in time... ?

IMO this should be a few vanquishes with a straight-forward fastest route and no silly patrols. So the only difference in time can, and will, be how fast you kill. No?

I was thinking the same, because when I have time i will try raisu again, but with more skips.. Might prune a min or two off.

Dzjudz · Mar 29, 2011, 02:40 PM // 14:40

Just stick to ToPK, no straggling VQ patrols, no skipping groups. Just take a screenshot when the countdown timer on each level starts (or ends).

Bright Star Shine · Mar 29, 2011, 02:49 PM // 14:49

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Originally Posted by Dzjudz

Just stick to ToPK, no straggling VQ patrols, no skipping groups. Just take a screenshot when the countdown timer on each level starts (or ends).

How many times do I have to point this out? If we're going ToPK, I know what I'll be doing.. Hello there, core professions, how you doin'?. Major advantage to Assassin, mesmer, ritualist, paragon and derv, since almost every mob in there uses this skill..

Life Bringing · Mar 29, 2011, 03:27 PM // 15:27

Zzz, you always manage to beat me jeydra. The fact that jeydra has 2 ele heroes and is an ele himself and still managed to wreck everyone elses time should be testament to the fact that ele can actually do damage

Daesu · Mar 29, 2011, 03:29 PM // 15:29

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Originally Posted by mage767

I might participate in this with my Fragway. Raisu HM is easy, but GoM HM is tricky without LB. As for Hells Precipice, that won't be too bad, me guesses. I will use the same build for all 3 areas.

Finished Raisu HM: Trial # 1 gave me 13:06 with Fragway. I will update this If I improve on subsequent runs. Screenshots of inv and party at beginning and end were taken, and also before final bosses. No micro (did not use hero flags to skip certain unncessary groups), no cons, no skills were disabled at all.

Tried Hells Precipice HM: Finished bonus by 13 min, reached Rurik at 18 min, then got wiped due to human error. I didn't notice the spark eles. Since micro is not allowed and heroes balled up nicely, it was a pretty cool wipe -.-, got screen when I got to Rurik. Killed every enemy on my way to Rurik. Hey, at least I got bonus!

You need to supply screenshots if you wish to participate.

I messed up my ending screenshot (it showed the clip before I could show my inventory) and it was too late in the night for me to retry, so I decided not to participate.

Oh wait, I noticed people are showing the ending inventory screenshot AFTER they have returned to town? Hmmm didn't expect that to be allowed.

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Originally Posted by upier

I've been chuckling at this thread for days, but now it finally took a turn into Retardedville, USA. I might delete this reply based on how much I care about it in 15 minutes, but for now I am posting it - if for no other reason to reassure certain forum visitors that they aren't bat-shit crazy, but rather that most of the people posting here are instead.

Look at this as finding out what are the best possible times with 7 heroes. I don't care if people are stroking their egos, I am sure some will but that doesn't matter to me.

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3. Generic build.
This build allows players to complete content. While speed matters, offering the certainty of not failing matters more. Hero builds/positions must require no microing, player builds must be very flexible - best if the player bar is completely empty. Players provide these builds and the public tests them - providing info on their speed and how fool-proof they are.
(Just a hint - one PwK, MB&S, SL with one PS/SoA isn't going to cut it for this.)

I agree the contest would have been more interesting this way, even though it would be hard to proof the lack of micro.

One PwK, MB&S, SL with one PS/SoA? Sounds like the generic build I used, bah whatever, wasn't seriously thinking of participating anyway.

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EDIT:
No idea why I thought that people would get it this time considering it was already pointed out and people didn't get it back then.
Disco isn't build for speed. Disco is built for being fool-proof. Sure, it's also supposed to be fast, but only as far as speed doesn't influence it's insane survivability.
And now people are comparing Disco with builds that are build for speed. And they are comparing them on the basis of speed.

Put one of these speed-builds into the hands of a guy that runs Disco and then we'll see how fast he'll be. I am pretty sure the only speed you'll see will be in his DP going up.

Agree on Disco, but I am not sure if all the disco supporters would agree with you.

AndrewSX · Mar 29, 2011, 04:41 PM // 16:41

So, now this thread derailed from "Discord+Mes+Spirit vs. Everything else" to "Official regular PvE record"?

EFGJack · Mar 29, 2011, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by AndrewSX

So, now this thread derailed from "Discord+Mes+Spirit vs. Everything else" to "Official regular PvE record"?

Yes, because SDM can't match the builds tailored by the more experienced H/H players.

Daesu · Mar 29, 2011, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by EFGJack

Yes, because SDM can't match the builds tailored by the more experienced H/H players.

This should have been a build contest rather than a hero micro-ing skill contest.