Curse

Chthon · Jan 29, 2012, 07:51 AM // 07:51

Retroway is a 7-hero teambuild designed for use in the post-1/5/2012-update PvE environment.

It's named "retroway" because it isn't very creative -- almost everything here was either "meta" immediately prior to the 1/5/2012 update or "meta" in the past and returned to relevance by that update. Hence "retro."

Retroway was designed around an elementalist player character (and that's what's shown here), but that is not strictly required. It should operate just as well with any player build that contributes Ebon Battle Standard of Honor and significant damage dealing. It even operates passably well with a melee player build.

Build:

Alternate Skills Sidebar:

Player bar
- If you feel you need the aggro-control help Ebon Vanguard Assassin Assault gives you on the initial aggro, then replace Snow Storm or "Finish Him!"
- As stated above, you do not need to use an elementalist player build.
- If using a melee player build, make the following changes:
  - Reallocate E/Mo ER hero's attributes to 12+1+3 Energy Storage, 9 Protection Prayers, 9 Smiting Prayers;
  - Swap Healing Breeze for Strength of Honor;
  - Optionally, swap Aegis for Shield of Absorption (in which case go 10 Prot and 9 Smiting); and
  - If your player build relies on something that feeds off guaranteed conditions, like Reap Impurities or Yeti Smash, then shift a point from Energy Storage to Command on the E/P SF hero, swap "Never Surrender!" for "Stand Your Ground!", and swap "Stand Your Ground!" on the N/P Minion Hybrid hero to Withering Aura.
Rt/X Signet of Spirits hero
- If there are no corpses to make minions (and you are not running a physical damage player build), then swap Splinter Weapon for another Channeling Magic skill. Ancestor's Rage and Painful Bond are the strongest candidates.
E/Mo Ether Renewal hero
- You can swap this hero for the R/Mo Soul Twisting hero shown at the bottom if you need party-wide damage mitigation, or fear the E/Mo ER hero getting ER stripped, or just like ST builds better. If you do that, you will end up with 3 resurrection skills in the party, so you can:
  - Keep all 3 resurrection skills; or
  - Swap Flesh of My Flesh for something more useful on the Rt/X SoS hero. Ancestor's Rage and Painful Bond are the strongest candidates; or
  - Swap Flesh of My Flesh for something more useful on the Rt/Mo ST hero. Good candidates are Earthbind (assuming your player build has knockdowns), Spirit's Gift, and offensive spirits from the Communing line; or
  - Swap Death Pact Signet for something more useful on the E/Rt SF hero. (There aren't a lot of good options here since there's virtually no raw damage skills you'd rather have the hero cast instead of Searing Flames. Possibilities include Rodgort's Invocation, another copy of Mark of Rodgort, Earthquake/Dragon Stomp, or a ward.)
- If using a melee player build, change this build as described in the player sidebar section above.
N/P Minion Hybrid hero
- Obviously, this build needs to change for areas with no corpses at all to make minions out of. In that case:
  - Swap Bone Minions for Putrid Bile, and
  - Swap Death Nova for one of the following: (There are no really good choices, these are the least bad: )
    - Gaze of Contempt,
    - Jaundiced Gaze (and shift spare attribute points to Blood; too bad there's only 1 enchant on the bar),
    - Rip Enchantments (and shift spare attribute points to Curses; too bad things that don't leave corpses don't bleed either),
    - "Find Their Weakness!" (may need micro if hero doesn't want to use it on a party with all caster weapons),
    - Blood Ritual (and move spare attribute points to Blood),
    - Withering Aura (if using a melee player build),
    - a second copy of Weaken Armor (and move spare attribute points to Curses), or
    - "We Shall Return!" (and optionally rearrangeother heroes on account of the third resurrection skill as described in the E/Mo ER hero section above.)
Me/X Panic hero
- Panic is only necessary against monsters that pose a significant threat or can slow you down with significant healing or damage mitigation. For ~90% of the game you don't really need it. In that case, you can use Energy Surge for more damage (and think about upgrading to a superior rune).
- Using Glyph of Lesser Energy in Place of Waste Not Want not provides slightly better energy-per-second, but gives the hero a longer recharge period in which to mess things up. Pick whichever you like better.
- If you find the energy on this build too tight for your liking, swap Shatter Enchantment for Drain Enchantment.
E/P and E/Rt Searing Flames heroes
- Obviously, these guys are going to have some trouble with the handful of monsters that don't burn. For zones where you have a few fireproof monsters mixed in with mostly combustible monsters, just tough it out and rely on the other 5 damage-dealing party members to kill the fireproof ones. For zones with lots of fireproof monsters (basically meaning destroyers; Forgewight's dungeon is a borderline case), swap these guys out. Sometime I'll get around to designing some water builds for this situation.)
- If using a melee player build, the E/P hero gets changed around a little bit. See the section on the player build above.
- Optionally, the E/Rt hero can go E/P and bring "We Shall Return!" in place of Death Pact Signet. This rezzes instantly and avoids the risk of chain suicide, but brings the rezzed party member up with a lot less health and energy.
- Optionally, the E/P hero can swap Mark of Rodgort for "We Shall Return!" while the E/Rt (now E/X) hero swaps Death Pact Signet for Mark of Rodgort. This entails the same "Death Pact Signet <----> 'We Shall Return!'" tradeoff as the above option, but gets better numbers on "We Shall Return!" The extra downside is that Mark of Rodgort is now on the same bar as Earthen Shackles, which means that one of them is going to get delayed in casting.
- Introducing an extra resurrection skill somewhere else in the party allows you to optionally swap Death Pact Signet on the E/Rt hero for something more useful. See the section on the E/Mo ER hero above.

Usage Tips
These tips assume you're using the elementalist player build shown above. Adjust accordingly if you're using a different player build.

For almost all Normal Mode mobs:
Run face-first into the mob, arms akimbo, screaming "Kilroy Stoneskiiiiiiiin!!!!" Then nuke them to death.
For non-threatening Hard Mod mobs:
Run face-first into the mob, arms akimbo, screaming "Kilroy Stoneskiiiiiiiin!!!!" Then nuke them to death.
For moderately threatening Hard Mode mobs:
- If it is a caster mob, then stop at the edge of spell range (outside of aggro range), precast EBSoH, then drop everything on them starting with Churning Earth. (The reason Churning Earth is the opener is to prevent AoE-flee. Normally caster monsters will try to nuke you back rather than fleeing, get stymied by Panic, and then die before they figure out they should flee. But sometimes they do flee -- in which case Churning Earth knocks them down thanks to the HM monster speed buff, and they will be Earthen Shackled by the time they get up.)
- If it's a melee mob, then stop just outside of aggro range, precast EBSoH, wand them (or body aggro them), wait while they close the distance, (your minions should start to advance simultaneously), start to cast Eruption when the monsters are about 1 second away from hitting the monster wall, followed by Churning Earth, followed by Snow Storm (if needed). The goal here is to hit the monsters with blind just after they get their first hit in on (hopefully) a minion, so that the monster AI is more likely to stand its ground rather than flee. Churning Earth is second to prevent fleeing.
- If it's a mixed mob, and you want to nuke the casters first, but you fear the melee, then treat it like a caster mob, but open with Eruption. The melee will get blinded by the first pulse, and you can use AP on the dying casters to recharge Eruption before the blind wears off. (Churning Earth second to prevent the casters from fleeing.)
- If it's a mixed mob, and you want to nuke the casters first, and you don't fear the melee, then treat it like a caster mob. (Duh.)
- If it's a mixed mob, and you want to nuke the melee first, then open with Snow Storm to pepper the casters and maybe disrupt them by inducing AoE-flee, and treat it like a melee mob as soon as the melee arrive.
For seriously threatening Hard Mode mobs:
Find a good corner or other bit of terrain to use as a bottleneck (remember that the best places for blocking have a wall on the monsters' left side (your right side when facing them)); Have the SoS hero poop SoS and Bloodsong (poop them a little spread out if the monsters have any meaningful AoE damage); Flag the heroes a safe distance behind the spirits; Micro Protective Spirit and Spirit Bond on yourself (cover with Healing Breeze if the monsters have enchantment strips); Tag the nearest monster with a longbow or a flatbow; Run like hell back past the spirits to the rest of your party; Depending on the distances, you may have to wait for the monsters to ball up against the spirits; Nuke them to death before they kill the spirits.

Credits

Nearly 7 years of Guild Wars PvE players seeking to make good builds, and sometime succeeding. In alphabetical order, (and with no attention to the age of their contributions,) special recognition for advancing the state of knowledge of GW PvE goes to Avarre, Burst Cancel, Carinae Dragonblood, EFGJack, Elnore Varda, Ensign, Higher Minion, Jeydra, Kunder, Moloch Vein, Racthoh, Sab, Son of Ra, Terraban, Xenomortis, Zodiac Meteor, and a large number of unsung heroes whose names I've forgotten or never knew in the first place. (Not that I expect all, or even any, of the foregoing people to like retroway, and fully expect all of them to find it quite unoriginal.)
Chthon, for duct taping a bunch of old "meta" builds together.
Higher Minion for help with testing.

mortenya · Jan 29, 2012, 08:26 AM // 08:26

this is an interesting smattering of heroes that seem to work well, and earth is my favorite element. going to try it. I'm pretty bad though, so not sure if it will work.

HigherMinion · Jan 29, 2012, 10:35 AM // 10:35

Decided against Chomein, eh

I tested this with the ST bar in Slaver's and I wiped on the first mob; I was being half-hearted about it, but when I went back with the ER it was more cspace.

Thing about the ER bar; there are so many prots to take and so little space... I like SoA, Aegis and I sometimes take Life Attunement and maintain it on the hero, because they suck at enchanting themselves...

Xsiriss · Jan 29, 2012, 10:56 AM // 10:56

I personally like using Mind Burn over SF these days, more reliable in damage and longer burn. Also doesn't really need another ele to be the most effective, so you can use something a bit different.

HigherMinion · Jan 29, 2012, 11:08 AM // 11:08

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Originally Posted by Xsiriss

I personally like using Mind Burn over SF these days, more reliable in damage and longer burn. Also doesn't really need another ele to be the most effective, so you can use something a bit different.

It's definitely not more reliable... Your heroes have to have more energy than Hard Mode enemies... The odds on that being consistent are low.

ultimak719 · Jan 29, 2012, 04:05 PM // 16:05

You should switch out healing breeze on the prot bar for SoA, if you try to pull a melee heavy mob, it is your absolute best friend.

Chthon · Jan 29, 2012, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by Xsiriss

I personally like using Mind Burn over SF these days, more reliable in damage and longer burn. Also doesn't really need another ele to be the most effective, so you can use something a bit different.

1. Nearby range AoE versus adjacent range AoE.

2. Assuming 16 Fire, factoring in EBSoH, and assuming the bonus damage always triggers, the DPS for the direct-damage component of Mind Burn is ((63+15)*2)/6 = 26. The DPS for the direct damage component of Searing Flames is (106 + 15)/3 = 40.33... Assuming MoR, the burning is continuous in either case. Your Mind Burn build is going to have to dedicate a lot of bar space to catching up the DPS difference with redundant direct damage skills.

3. I don't think you're going to reliably get the bonus damage on Mind Burn. Monster casters have huge energy pools and bonus regen. Many of them are going to be simply impossible to have more energy than. (I remember needing a dual +15/-1 swap for my player build back when Mind Blast was all the rage, and that didn't even work all the time.) And it certainly doesn't help that the hero AI has poor target selection (I don't think it's smart enough to hit the ranger next to the monk you want to kill) and poor exhaustion management. Additionally, speccing Command or Earth means draining points out of ES, which makes it that much harder to get Mind Burn to work.

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Originally Posted by ultimak719

You should switch out healing breeze on the prot bar for SoA, if you try to pull a melee heavy mob, it is your absolute best friend.

SoA is sidebarred for a melee player build. If you're running a casterball with correct tactics, no one should be taking the sort of repeated hits that make SoA worthwhile. This is particularly so with the elementalist player build shown, because it blinds everything.

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Originally Posted by HigherMinion

Decided against Chomein, eh

I did. But if you can generate a public outcry demanding Chomein, I'll change the name.

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I tested this with the ST bar in Slaver's and I wiped on the first mob; I was being half-hearted about it, but when I went back with the ER it was more cspace.

I'm thinking Slavers is one of those places where the ER bar is just better. Heck, I beat Rand/Thom HM without any wipes using my (half-a-)joke hammer build (ENDURING RENEWING YETI!!

), and that was certainly non-optimal...

paranon · Jan 29, 2012, 07:59 PM // 19:59

Yeah this is really just a combination of a few of the good/great hero builds off pvx with absolutely no synergy between them - you have a load of AoE stuff, which suggests you are going to try and ball stuff up, but then you have a discord and SoS rit, which suggests you just wanna spike stuff down? You have blind and an e/mo protter, but you still take minions and weakness, most of the skill choices just don't make sense and don't synergise with the rest of it.

Life Bringing · Jan 29, 2012, 08:02 PM // 20:02

3 Healers seems largely redundant to me, and it also looks like those ele bars could use a bit of optimization.

HigherMinion · Jan 29, 2012, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by paranon

Yeah this is really just a combination of a few of the good/great hero builds off pvx with absolutely no synergy between them - you have a load of AoE stuff, which suggests you are going to try and ball stuff up, but then you have a discord and SoS rit, which suggests you just wanna spike stuff down? You have blind and an e/mo protter, but you still take minions and weakness, most of the skill choices just don't make sense and don't synergise with the rest of it.

To trigger AP fast and push important kills quick, Discord is the best single-target spike skill. Minion damage is stronger now and you're a full mob of casters, so why not have extra bodies? Your comment makes no sense and seems misinformed.

paranon · Jan 29, 2012, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by HigherMinion

To trigger AP fast and push important kills quick, Discord is the best single-target spike skill. Minion damage is stronger now and you're a full mob of casters, so why not have extra bodies? Your comment makes no sense and seems misinformed.

1 copy of discord isn't enough to take a target down when the rest of your team is full of aoe dmg, my point about the minions was that if you have minions to soak dmg, why have prots, shouts, spirits and panic? You need one or the other. I dont really care to argue about this, it just seems to me like this wasn't thought out or tested very much.

HigherMinion · Jan 29, 2012, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by paranon

1 copy of discord isn't enough to take a target down when the rest of your team is full of aoe dmg, my point about the minions was that if you have minions to soak dmg, why have prots, shouts, spirits and panic? You need one or the other. I dont really care to argue about this, it just seems to me like this wasn't thought out or tested very much.

You realise that AoE damage also targets the target foe? Discord is just a little extra push. You don't need Panic for most areas; I used esurge in Slaver's. Minions are a nice way to ball enemies without taking damage yourself, and Death Nova is hawt for AoE damage.

Chthon · Jan 29, 2012, 10:01 PM // 22:01

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Originally Posted by paranon

you have a load of AoE stuff, which suggests you are going to try and ball stuff up, but then you have a discord and SoS rit,
which suggests you just wanna spike stuff down?

There's nothing inconsistent about being able to do both. AoE is the primary driver, but good AoE builds still need the ability to force kills on demand in spite of two healers (especially when AP is present) or pick off stragglers that escaped the AoE.

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You have blind and an e/mo protter, but you still take minions and weakness,

1. Different types of mitigation for different damage sources. Having minions or blind does not mean you don't want PS/Shelter to stop big spell damage. The only two sources of mitigation that are truly redundant are Blind and Weakness, which I opted to include because the blind is on the player build that is subject to change.

2. The concept is called "defense in depth" -- independent layers of mitigation so that when something doesn't work you still don't get killed.

3. Also, I did say that Panic can be sidebarred for E-Surge in easy areas, didn't I?

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most of the skill choices just don't make sense

Ask specific questions and I'll explain individual skill choices.

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and don't synergise with the rest of it.

1. Synergy is often overrated. Sure, the whole may be greater than the sum of the parts, but it's still an inferior choice if the sum of two totally different, non-synergizing parts is greater yet. GW is in a state right now where the "good skills" often simply outperform the cleverest synergies you can tease out of the mediocre skills.
Example: A paragon with "They're on Fire!" and other burning-themed skills would certainly synergize more with Searing Flames than the Panic mesmer, but it would be an inferior choice. Panic prevents more damage and the overall build deals a lot more damage than you'll ever get out of a paragon.
Example: A HBoon monk with DKiss would synergize more with all these eles wearing 2 enchantments each than the ER ele, but it would be an inferior choice. Infuse still heals for more, faster, with no recharge, for no energy; and the ER also does a far better job of protting.

2. Even if you don't see it, this build does utilize synergies in places where those synergies are the optimal thing to do (rather than just synergy for the sake of synergy). Most notably, the central theme of the build is constantly maintained EBSoH + maximum packet spam (+ cracked armor + snare).

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Originally Posted by paranon

1 copy of discord isn't enough to take a target down when the rest of your team is full of aoe dmg,

I find that 1 copy of Discord, plus reasonable player damage, plus 2 copies of SF, plus 1 copy of Icy Veins, plus 1 copy of Deathly Swarm, plus "Finish Him!" (all assisted by Weaken Armor and EBSoH) is enough to take down just about anything, even if it's got support from 2 of those Slavers summit monks. And, yes, I have tested that claim.

Also, your reasoning is flawed: AoE damage skills generally do just fine at double duty as single-target damage skills. Except for the ones with awful recharge (none of which are in this build except subject to AP). [edit: Ninja'ed. Minion beat me to it.]

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Originally Posted by Life Bringing

3 Healers seems largely redundant to me,

3 healers (or, rather 1 prot and two hybrid healers) is redundant everywhere except where it matters.
You could probably remove the ER prot (and not replace it with the ST) and remove all the healing except for "Fall Back!" and still c-space 80% of GW. If you developed Jeydra- or Jack-like aggro and micro skills, you could probably do the other 20% with a single hybrid healer and a hybrid prot. Or you can bring a team that's more resilient and not have to worry so much about getting a perfect aggro, ball, and nuke every time.
Example: In the course of testing, using the elementalist player build shown, I (deliberately) took on all the summit groups in the final room of Vloxen 1 simultaneously without any pulling, balling, or other sensible tactics, and won with zero deaths. Sure, that's a stupid thing to do, but I do stupid things sometimes and I want a build that's not going to collapse when I do.
So, in sum, I think this strikes the right balance between killing power and survivability. If you never make mistakes, or are willing to live with a wipe when you do, feel free to trade off some defense or healing for more offense.

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and it also looks like those ele bars could use a bit of optimization

I really do think that they're optimized, but I'm open to specific suggestions on what you think will improve them.

HigherMinion · Jan 29, 2012, 10:44 PM // 22:44

Realisation just in; Shield Guardian>Aegis on the ER. Remove the optional ST bar and you could probably optional Deathly Swarm for either Putrid Bile or Putrid Explosion, if you have enough up-front power... Also, esurge option for majority of areas. Why do you like convert hexes so much? Recharge is Zzz.

Chthon · Jan 29, 2012, 11:06 PM // 23:06

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Originally Posted by HigherMinion

Realisation just in; Shield Guardian>Aegis on the ER.

Don't think I agree with that. Even "buffed" SG is still a very long recharge for a skill that's either going to end after one block or expire without doing anything.

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Remove the optional ST bar

Well, it's optional...

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and you could probably optional Deathly Swarm for either Putrid Bile or Putrid Explosion, if you have enough up-front power...

I want the up-front power from DS. If I didn't want the upfront power, I'd agree that those are probably the top two choices for the slot.

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Also, esurge option for majority of areas.

OK, agreed.

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Why do you like convert hexes so much? Recharge is Zzz.

1. It clears all hexes off the target.

2. Recharge is 12. The only non-elite, non-self-only hex removals faster than that are Remove Hex (1 hex, 8 recharge), Reverse Hex (1 hex, side effect, 10 recharge), and Shatter Hex (1 hex, 10- recharge, NOT a monk skill, already on the mesmer bar). IMO, clearing the whole hex stack justifies an extra 4 sec over Remove Hex, and definitely justifies an extra 2 sec over Reverse Hex.

3.142 · Jan 29, 2012, 11:11 PM // 23:11

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Originally Posted by Chthon

Don't think I agree with that. Even "buffed" SG is still a very long recharge for a skill that's either going to end after one block or expire without doing anything.

It ends after one block per person. If your entire team is being attacked you prevent 8 attacks and heal for 240 health to everyone in ear shot. It also casts faster and recharges faster than Aegis. EDIT: It also costs less, as if that matters anyway on an ER bar.

MisterB · Jan 29, 2012, 11:12 PM // 23:12

Can you elaborate on Bloodsong on the SoS and Healing Breeze on the E/Mo ER? Specifically, why they are there, and what purpose HB on the ER serves. I saw its mention as a cover of course. Is that all? The passive regen seems underwhelming.

My SoS when playing W/ is identical, but I've been thinking that should be ARage. I've tried it some, but nothing in late game, unless Beyond content counts.

Oh, and I love Convert Hexes so much. Hexes annoy me to no end, especially playing physicals.

Chthon · Jan 29, 2012, 11:15 PM // 23:15

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Originally Posted by 3.142

It ends after one block per person. If your entire team is being attacked you prevent 8 attacks and heal for 240 health to everyone in ear shot. It also casts faster and recharges faster than Aegis. EDIT: It also costs less, as if that matters anyway on an ER bar.

My very strong suspicion is that it's usually going to prevent only one or two attacks and heal for 30 or 60. Pressure just isn't that evenly divided most of the time.

Still, since you seem so adamant about it, I'll test it out before completely dismissing it.

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Can you elaborate on Bloodsong on the SoS and Healing Breeze on the E/Mo ER? Specifically, why they are there, and what purpose HB on the ER serves.

My SoS when playing W/ is identical, but I've been thinking that should be ARage. I've tried it some, but nothing in late game, unless Beyond content counts.

Oh, and I love Convert Hexes so much. Hexes annoy me to no end, especially playing physicals.

Bloodsong's strongest reason for being is to help with pulling hard mobs. It gives an extra body to set up the roadblock, and it can be spaced away from SoS so that the mob stays paused (and balled) for a moment longer even if it blows up SoS with AoE.

Other than that, reasons for bringing it are fairly minor: It does damage without consuming cast time. It brings a small amount of armor-ignoring damage that can be useful for the occasional monster that resists the mass of armor-respecting damage the rest of the team does. It's a decoy to cover your retreat. It's one more spirit for the SoS to Siphon for energy.

I prefer Bloodsong over ARage, but not so strongly that I'm going to argue that changing it is always a bad idea. Particularly for a melee player build, ARage may be as good, or even better.

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Healing Breeze serves a handful of purposes:
1. It fills the biggest gap in the ER's repertoire -- anti-pressure. It's already got the best spike prevention and spike catching skills available, but nothing to really deal with pressure directly.
2. It's a fairly big heal -- 252hp.
3. The traditional reasons it's an awful skill don't apply in the ER context. (The traditional reasons being (a) that it's energy inefficient, and (b) it delivers its healing too slow to stop a spike. Well, ER eles don't care about energy costs, and they already have Infuse to stop a spike. A second spot heal would only give the hero the opportunity to cast something worse than Infuse.)
4. The hero AI will often cast it on itself once it's Infused something. This (a) covers ER so it's less likely to get stripped, (b) feeds ER by being another enchantment, and (c) slightly improves performance on chain Infusing by recovering extra health between Infuses.

3.142 · Jan 29, 2012, 11:23 PM // 23:23

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Originally Posted by Chthon

My very strong suspicion is that it's usually going to prevent only one or two attacks and heal for 30 or 60. Pressure just isn't that evenly divided most of the time.

Still, since you seem so adamant about it, I'll test it out before completely dismissing it.

One could argue that if only one or two people are being hit Guardian would prevent more attacks than Aegis.

You will always have times where rather than giving strong party relief it just sputters away shamefully. Aegis has its pro's and con's though and SG isn't going to be better in every way in every area.

I just like it :P

HigherMinion · Jan 30, 2012, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by 3.142

One could argue that if only one or two people are being hit Guardian would prevent more attacks than Aegis.

You will always have times where rather than giving strong party relief it just sputters away shamefully. Aegis has its pro's and con's though and SG isn't going to be better in every way in every area.

I just like it :P

To elaborate on this:

Aegis lasts 9 seconds~ All it does is block party-wide. 50% chance. After a few blocks the majority of the melee/mob will be dead or, at the very least, weakened enough for the damage not to matter if they hit you. SG's one-block per member and pressure heal is cool.