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angmar_nite · Aug 17, 2008, 09:20 PM // 21:20

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Originally Posted by tenetke

I am glad that people are looking for new ways to use Ursan. Why is everyone so determined to make it one of those skills that never sees the light of day. I hope the same kind of whiners are not around for gw2. I can just imagine the amount of crazy posting. Asura are better at x, norn are better at x, char are better at x and we want it all changed.

Honestly it isn't the skills that are making people run from gw, it is the damn whiners. You want to know what those elitist that are all about hating Ursans look like,. Now just imagine that with some screaming about how Ursans have ruined their life.

Wait. So does being an elitist make me elite at the game? Thanks. Now I'm not sure where else in the world elitist (literally a person specializing in being elite) would imply a lack of an ability to get ass, earn money, etc. etc. Actually wouldn't an elitist also be more capable of those?

isamu kurosawa · Aug 17, 2008, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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Originally Posted by tenetke

I am glad that people are looking for new ways to use Ursan. Why is everyone so determined to make it one of those skills that never sees the light of day. I hope the same kind of whiners are not around for gw2. I can just imagine the amount of crazy posting. Asura are better at x, norn are better at x, char are better at x and we want it all changed.

Honestly it isn't the skills that are making people run from gw, it is the damn whiners. You want to know what those elitist that are all about hating Ursans look like,. Now just imagine that with some screaming about how Ursans have ruined their life.

That image looks more like somebody playing ursan than anything.

Tyla · Aug 17, 2008, 09:35 PM // 21:35

If you're against a skill and present arguments against it, no matter how stupidly powerful or against original game design three fold, that makes you elitist.

Oh, and Kuro I lol'd.

Oh, and Kate I responded to that person below me.

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Washi · Aug 17, 2008, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by tenetke

I am glad that people are looking for new ways to use Ursan. Why is everyone so determined to make it one of those skills that never sees the light of day. I hope the same kind of whiners are not around for gw2. I can just imagine the amount of crazy posting. Asura are better at x, norn are better at x, char are better at x and we want it all changed.

ROFL, what a hypocrite.

That is exactly what UB did. changed the specific roles of profesions into one stupid bear thing.

Witchblade · Aug 17, 2008, 09:48 PM // 21:48

The only thing i found amusing about this UB Crap is that i saw a whole bunch of lazyass cryers totally deleting their stuff and quitting GW because of the UB Update

Priceless

Amnel Ithtirsol · Aug 18, 2008, 06:01 AM // 06:01

It's all about cutting down on the time ppl... Anything under 4 hours might not be such a bad idea... I stood around in GoA for quite a while this weekend but didnt see any teams running this (or the OS version) though. Anyone here tried this?

[WTB] gems/braces for coming HoM update...

byteme! · Aug 18, 2008, 07:06 PM // 19:06

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

How about just let it die and move on?

Ursan got the nerf bat already. What if people still want to use it? What are you gonna do about? Why can't everyone just play the damn game and stop worrying about what other people do? Is it that hard a concept to grasp?

UnChosen · Aug 19, 2008, 02:03 AM // 02:03

Hopefully this will catch on (doubt it), so that we can have another 100 pages of QQ and drama. Doesn't seem to be happening though with 0 group forming last time I checked, and is during prime time too.

gerg-nad · Aug 19, 2008, 01:28 PM // 13:28

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Originally Posted by Amnel Ithtirsol

It's all about cutting down on the time ppl... Anything under 4 hours might not be such a bad idea... I stood around in GoA for quite a while this weekend but didnt see any teams running this (or the OS version) though. Anyone here tried this?

That is the number one reason Ursan was so popular,it significantly cut the time of doing DOA. I was against Ursan at first, but its hard to say no to a Ferrarri when you are driving a Chevy. DOA always could be done before, but it just took a long time both in forming the team, with all the specific roles, and then doing it. Typically before Ursan you only did one segement quest as each took a chunk of time. With Ursan you typically did all, Full Run, in one sitting, 2 hours or less in NM and 2.5 hours in HM.

BTW the old school ways were still available before the Ursan nerf, but no on really used them as it takes very specific builds, so team formation is slowed, and team coordination and Ventrilo or Team Speak is best utilized.

Also with the teams such as Cryway, Ritway, Eleway which all use a OF tank and bonder, SB, and HB monk, you cannot do Mallyx. You can do the 19 groups before Mallyx, but with all the Enchants and Hexes typical of these teams they will not be able to do Mallyx. I guess one could then switch to Ursan and do Mallyx, as I did this with a team after the nerf, so Ursan will work takes a little longer though, because of Mallyx's high AC.

Direct physical teams such as Imbagon and the like teams that do not rely on enchants, but more shouts, chants, echos will do better in general. These teams take good targetting to get the groups down quickly and critical targets down first. Also again there are specific classes and builds that are necessary.

What Ursan offers is the following:
1. Fast DOA
2. Classless damage roles
3. Faster Team formation
4. Simpler team dynamics (really only need to wory about aggro, but now maybe mesmer secondary class and recharge is important)

After the nerf NM Ursan will still work especially if folks use an Assassin Promise Recharge Team (it may take a bit longer because now part of the damage is not armor ignoring). Here Ursans should be secondary Mesmers and take the skills Arcane Mimicry, Arcane Echo, and Mantra of Resolve and when out of Ursan they should mimic Assassin's Promise and Arcane Echo AP and Hex a near death foe and if foe dies then there bar recharges instantly (they get two 5 second chances with Arcane Echo) and they go back int ursan.

The unfortuate thing is DOA is dead at least for now. There are few teams trying to form and fewer folks available to join these teams. What DOA needs is a predomanent team build that everyone gravitates too, so that team formation is quick. The Team Build should be effective and efficient.

Abedeus · Aug 19, 2008, 01:34 PM // 13:34

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so that team formation is quick.

Oh, I get it. You want everything fast, so fast you don't actually need to prepare or use brain for.

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4. Simpler team dynamics (really only need to wory about aggro, but now maybe mesmer secondary class and recharge is important)

Zomg because GW is so hard, only Ursan is going to succeed in DoA NM/HM ;[

gerg-nad · Aug 19, 2008, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Oh, I get it. You want everything fast, so fast you don't actually need to prepare or use brain for.

Zomg because GW is so hard, only Ursan is going to succeed in DoA NM/HM ;

Team formation is not choosing skills, as those should will be already prescribed base on the type of team or the team can easliy ping a template, but it's finding people that have the skills, know how to play the role in your team, and want to the same thing you want to do.

So you use your brain ahead of time, this is research that everyone should do, ahead of time. All the skill prep work should be done with a synergistic team build in mind with only minor tweaks at the time of team formation.

Other types of teams (than Ursan) can be successful, it just takes a lot longer. Talking longer, its the difference between completing all at once or a piece at a time. Also the probability of success factors into this as the longer it takes the more likely something will go wrong even things like DCed, folks leaving, etc.

To me a measure of a good team build is efficiency (time) and effective (accomplishing task), which I measure by how fast groups can be defeated for the particular area or task of interest.

Mickey · Aug 19, 2008, 04:53 PM // 16:53

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...p romise+monk

Amazing what search does.

I really like how you bolded the names to signify creds.

*place some stupid internet meme here*

For the last time, BEFORE you claim credit, at least search.

Savio · Aug 19, 2008, 05:08 PM // 17:08

Not sure why Ursan actually needs a thread, or why you all must continue to discuss Ursan. Closed.