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zelgadissan · Aug 28, 2008, 03:37 PM // 15:37

If you're using a Warrior, you should probably look into the W/Rt [[Vengeful Was Khanhei] farming.

clbembry · Aug 28, 2008, 03:46 PM // 15:46

Ok I'll look into it right now.

Jade · Aug 28, 2008, 10:47 PM // 22:47

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

I have seen NO PROOF

I have seen, and can provide plenty of proof to the contrary. Rate of kill lowers drops. The smites themselves are easy proof of this. Trap them and pull two lots, you get maybe 1 drop out of 10 kills. Touch them to kill one at a time and you get at least a drop out of every other kill.

You really haven't seen the proof? Check this thread out here. I'd say it's pretty conclusive.

Back on topic though. I've been playing the game since it came out and I bet you I could count the number of times I've gone into UW on one hand. It just never really appealed to me that much. I think I might pull out the tiny stack of uw scrolls that's been rotting in my storage though and give it a whirl. I mean, there's been a lot of help offered here and I'd be an ass not to take advantage of it. Or to not take inspiration from it. Thanks guys!

MisterB · Aug 28, 2008, 10:58 PM // 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by zelgadissan

If you're using a Warrior, you should probably look into the W/Rt [[Vengeful Was Khanhei] farming.

Warrior/Dervish scythe with [[Rending Aura] is faster, although less forgiving. W/D can also use axe, again faster than a VwK W/Rt. don't feel no pain's W/Me with an axe is faster still; it's probably the fastest warrior build to farm the smites.

Witte's VwK W/Rt can venture into the Chaos Plains and Bone Pits, however, and the others can not.

XkristoferX · Aug 29, 2008, 12:12 AM // 00:12

for me, Smites have never dropped as many ectos as of the Bladeds or Mindblades.

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t3dw4rd0 · Aug 29, 2008, 02:20 AM // 02:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fay Vert

I have seen NO PROOF

I have seen, and can provide plenty of proof to the contrary. Rate of kill lowers drops. The smites themselves are easy proof of this. Trap them and pull two lots, you get maybe 1 drop out of 10 kills. Touch them to kill one at a time and you get at least a drop out of every other kill.

This was clarified for me a while ago. Killing mobs with aoe will lessen the drops, as it decides then whether or not you get the predetermined drop. HOWEVER ectos, being crafting materials, are exempt from scaling, so this rule does not apply to them. Kill as many smites at once as you can. If they have an ecto, they'll drop it.

_Nihilist_ · Aug 29, 2008, 05:13 AM // 05:13

^^^

Precisely the point I was trying to make earlier.

Feel No Pain's W/Me build is top-notch, but I use a different build with singular attacks because while I might be able to churn out 6 9-minute runs with FNP's Triple/Whirlwind/Cyclone build, I have had countless stretches where I get 3-4 Ectos per run off the Smites, then the next 6 runs net 0 Ecto.

As a rare crafting material, Ecto isn't scaled like other drops, and if you do get Ecto drops, you can get anywhere from 0-4 with regularity. Still, I'd rather take 20-30 minutes and get 4 Ecto, plus anywhere from 1.5k - 3k in merch-food to make my runs worth it. I will ALWAYS make enough from merch drops to pay my way in and a bit of a bonus, but you are never guaranteed an Ecto, and the faster the build, the more entry fees you have to pay whether or not you are getting Ectos fast enough to accomodate your Toll into the UW.

lordheinous · Aug 29, 2008, 06:13 AM // 06:13

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Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

^^^

Precisely the point I was trying to make earlier.

Feel No Pain's W/Me build is top-notch, but I use a different build with singular attacks because while I might be able to churn out 6 9-minute runs with FNP's Triple/Whirlwind/Cyclone build, I have had countless stretches where I get 3-4 Ectos per run off the Smites, then the next 6 runs net 0 Ecto.

As a rare crafting material, Ecto isn't scaled like other drops, and if you do get Ecto drops, you can get anywhere from 0-4 with regularity. Still, I'd rather take 20-30 minutes and get 4 Ecto, plus anywhere from 1.5k - 3k in merch-food to make my runs worth it. I will ALWAYS make enough from merch drops to pay my way in and a bit of a bonus, but you are never guaranteed an Ecto, and the faster the build, the more entry fees you have to pay whether or not you are getting Ectos fast enough to accomodate your Toll into the UW.

Tbh, if you feel that way, just do chaos planes. It takes me maybe 35-40 minutes a run with the current shadow form and monster changes, always make a profit pure cash-wise, and generally get between 2-10 ectos a run (absolute worst run ever was 1 ecto, got about 4 golds and a ruby that run too though). The only reason to run smites over chaos planes is the speed of runs, so if you're intentionally gimping your speed, you're therefore also defeating the entire purpose of running that area in the first place.

Tender Care · Aug 29, 2008, 08:57 AM // 08:57

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

This isn't true. Drops from AoE kills = drops from one by one kills. It's been proven.

Totally agree

Proved many times in many farming areas....Chaos Planes most of all....Some groups of 9/10 mindblades drop 100gold and a stupid pile of glimmering dust.
The group after: 2 ectos, 1 gold, 300/400 gold and normal residues....

@My Lipgloss is Cool: Yeah....must be my luck...but since many other ppl said this i believe it's not only a problem of mine. Smites Crawlers are not so profitable, which is meant: 5/10 runs they drop valuables things and you recover entrance fee.

Tombs of Primeval Kings are much more profitables then Smites Crawlers....Maybe not so many ectos but much more gold coins and gold items.

EDIT: Chaos Planes with w/rit VwK??? must be a joke...get interrupted and u are done..

Squishy ftw · Aug 29, 2008, 09:22 AM // 09:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tender Care

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

This isn't true. Drops from AoE kills = drops from one by one kills. It's been proven.

Totally agree

Proved many times in many farming areas....Chaos Planes most of all....Some groups of 9/10 mindblades drop 100gold and a stupid pile of glimmering dust.
The group after: 2 ectos, 1 gold, 300/400 gold and normal residues....

What? Kill 27 mindblades at once and you will end up with like 5 drops. Kill them 1 by 1 and you'll have close to 27 drops.

MisterB · Aug 29, 2008, 09:25 AM // 09:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tender Care

EDIT: Chaos Planes with w/rit VwK??? must be a joke...get interrupted and u are done..

No joke, but it's an old build. Unsure how various updates have affected it.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10102712

uzumaki · Aug 29, 2008, 09:30 AM // 09:30

In short, yes very profitable. Some of you people have horrible luck! no ecto in 10-15 runs JESUS.. i usually get 1-2 a run from smites and i have overfarmed the crap out of them ;O occasionally youl get 0 for a few consecutive runs.

Oh and as far as my own experience is concerned aoe killing definetly does decrease your common drops but ecto droprate is unaffected it works the same way as loot scaling in effect. If you want ecto, aoe is the way to go tbh youl do faster runs get the same amount of ecto.

Zorgy · Aug 29, 2008, 02:50 PM // 14:50

"...If you're using a Warrior, you should probably look into the W/Rt Vengeful Was Khanhei..."

As far as my own experience is concerned, I have been using the W/Rt build for months, the drop rate of ecto has been changed since the Assassin build nerf.

I repeat again, I have been using the W/Rt for months and I was ALWAYS getting 1 or 2 & sometimes 3 ectos per run.

After the nerf I get ZERO ecto folks....note that I do 1 or 2 runs per day only.

I would like feedbacks from players using W/Rt, do you encounter the same reality = ZERO ecto ???????????

english storm · Aug 29, 2008, 03:58 PM // 15:58

I gave up on W/Rt as i never used to get any ecto's, it was so bad at the point i quit i would be lucky to get 1 ecto out of 10 runs. This was maybe 3-4 months ago and i haven't been back since. Used to do NM runs.

clbembry · Aug 29, 2008, 07:41 PM // 19:41

Got my first ecto, run 13.

Fay Vert · Aug 30, 2008, 12:00 AM // 00:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jade

You really haven't seen the proof? Check this thread out here. I'd say it's pretty conclusive.

No, that thread proves that zone generation, including mob and loot tables, are seeded based on server time, it says nothing about rate of kill.

Trap 12 smites, get 1-2 drops
Kill 12 smites 1 at a time, get 6-9 drops.

And yes, ectos are excempt from this, but rate of kill affects merch fodder drops, it has also been proven to happen in full party kills too. eg, clear Urgoz in 2-3 hours and everyone in the party is stuffed so full of drops that unless you have at least two salvage kits then you are leaving stuff on the floor. But clear Urgoz in 45 mins and you barely fill 20 slots in your back pack.

Relating that to the topic, if you are after ectos, kill as fast as you can, if you want merch fodder too, you have to play a tricky trade off between rate of kill and speed of the run, ANet has made sure that you can't profit too much this way so best off just going for the ectos fast.

Daft Shifty · Sep 07, 2008, 01:26 AM // 01:26

/agree with fay, do uw in 2-3 hours, lots and lots of drops. however do a sc in 30 and hardly filled inventory.

My Lipgloss is Cool · Sep 07, 2008, 03:06 PM // 15:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

This isn't true. Drops from AoE kills = drops from one by one kills. It's been proven.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tender Care

Totally agree

Proved many times in many farming areas....Chaos Planes most of all....Some groups of 9/10 mindblades drop 100gold and a stupid pile of glimmering dust.
The group after: 2 ectos, 1 gold, 300/400 gold and normal residues....

Could someone explain this to me then?
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...2&postcount=20

Destro Maniak · Sep 07, 2008, 04:55 PM // 16:55

nope nothing is EXCEPT running missions for people

its the only way to earn money

because they make nearly everything to stop farming

Age · Sep 07, 2008, 09:03 PM // 21:03

You are like me I don't get any ecto when going to the UW as others do.I have only gotten one ecto in the entire history of the game and that was in The TomPs.It is either bad luck or the game hates you.