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Mr.Kotte · Nov 09, 2008, 02:43 PM // 14:43

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Then post a video of an end to end 60 second cycle which kills 30 raptors

This makes no sense, I am saying that 60 seconds isn't realistic, what makes you think I could do it in 50?

I farm these as a ranger (with boss) so for me its over 2 minutes, eles are certainly faster, just not as fast as you are claiming.

Am willing to eat my words though when you post that video.

To make a complete farm cycle 60 seconds, raptors have to be killed with at least 10 seconds margin. Especially if you want to have time to pick up drops and rezone in 10 seconds.

I feel I do not need to prove you anything, there are people who I have given this build to (incl. Scarn) who can with ease use it to clear the raptor cave within one minute. Feel free to ask for a demonstration in game, I am not sharing the build.

beserk · Nov 09, 2008, 04:10 PM // 16:10

I have to agree with fay vert soley on leeching experience, many runners claim 60 secs but low and behold soon as they kill the 30th raptor i /age and its 2mins!

False advertisement FTW.

Note: I am not saying it is impossible, but i am just illustrating how fay's doubts hold some ground.

Fay Vert · Nov 09, 2008, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by Mr.Kotte

I feel I do not need to prove you anything, there are people who I have given this build to (incl. Scarn) who can with ease use it to clear the raptor cave within one minute. Feel free to ask for a demonstration in game, I am not sharing the build.

whatever

Just another unsubstantiated farming claim. I'll leave you to your delusions.

The important thing you stated is still basically true though, its a lot of high level kills really fast, which is why the run is popular.

Mr.Kotte · Nov 09, 2008, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

whatever

Just another unsubstantiated farming claim. I'll leave you to your delusions.

The important thing you stated is still basically true though, its a lot of high level kills really fast, which is why the run is popular.

Have fun
That run was 48 seconds.

Ajantis · Nov 09, 2008, 09:17 PM // 21:17

oshi......

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Fay Vert · Nov 09, 2008, 09:31 PM // 21:31

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Originally Posted by Mr.Kotte

Have fun
That run was 48 seconds.

Looks impressive thank you.

Of course that is still not an end-to-end, loot pickup, zoning etc. Which is why I asked for a vid. Though I admit I am impressed with the speed of the round up, with the end-to-end, that should be close to a minute.

Scarn · Nov 09, 2008, 09:46 PM // 21:46

Because it will take him another 12 seconds to pick up 4 items.

Fay Vert · Nov 09, 2008, 10:30 PM // 22:30

3 second zone X 2
1 second pickup X 4
2 second resign to kick in
2 second turn around and re-enter from Rata Sum
1 second getting blessing

That is 15 seconds, assuming you can zone in 3 seconds, which is a fairly good spec PC, ,any take over 10 seconds to zone. As I said, Video end to end was requested. But I also acknowledge that that screen shot shows a very good time.

Mr. Undisclosed · Nov 10, 2008, 12:25 AM // 00:25

Fay Kottis knows his shit, he doesn't exagerate get over it.

blackknight1337 · Nov 10, 2008, 02:51 AM // 02:51

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Originally Posted by TrippieHippie89

hell, i can run droks on my derv charging 2k a head and get close to 100k per hour, dont have to worry about farming code there :-p

not really surprised that fay missed this to go after kotte..

you run droks on a derv...ok sure. 2k a head times 7 is 14k...so you can run it in 12 min flat? and thats only 70k/hr at that...seriously...go /e-peen somewhere else

MisterB · Nov 10, 2008, 06:31 AM // 06:31

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Originally Posted by blackknight1337

not really surprised that fay missed this to go after kotte..

you run droks on a derv...ok sure. 2k a head times 7 is 14k...so you can run it in 12 min flat? and thats only 70k/hr at that...seriously...go /e-peen somewhere else

It gets worse. Party size in Beacon's Perch is six. At 2K per person, this person would need to do the Drok's run in 6 minutes to get 100K/hr. That's excluding time to form a party. Claim is complete BS.

stretchs · Nov 10, 2008, 02:14 PM // 14:14

It is quite doable to repeat ~60 second runs. I use the MistForm E/Me and consistently do ~60 second runs killing 32-34 each run depending on the stragglers. I honestly didnt think 1min runs were possible either but have consistently done them. You would be surprised if you timed yourself how little time your runs really take.

blackknight1337 · Nov 10, 2008, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by MisterB

It gets worse. Party size in Beacon's Perch is six. At 2K per person, this person would need to do the Drok's run in 6 minutes to get 100K/hr. That's excluding time to form a party. Claim is complete BS.

Thats right,, I'd forgotten that. Been kinda a long time since I got a droks run. Rather funny that someone will contest a run saying that it takes 3 seconds over the stated min, while ignoring someone who can't do even a third of what he is saying....

Fay Vert · Nov 10, 2008, 06:40 PM // 18:40

Like I said, people exagerate their claims. But yeah, I missed that one, I actually didn't read it. I have challenged running claims before. Time is generally the basis of where people exagerate, they conveniently forget all the bits you can't ignore, zoning times, pickup times, skill activation times etc. With runners, you can't even run an empty zone in those times. When challenged you always get the same reply, they are good and you are noob. Yet you will never see a full video showing the claims, just screen shots and part vids.

Not to take anything away from Kotte's screenshot, 48 seconds for that part run is faster that I would have credited, but it still doesn't equal a 60 second full run. And Mr. Undisclosed, I think Kotte is quite capable of speaking ,without guildies chipping in to weaken his argument.

joshuarodger · Nov 10, 2008, 07:45 PM // 19:45

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Like I said, people exagerate their claims. But yeah, I missed that one, I actually didn't read it. I have challenged running claims before. Time is generally the basis of where people exagerate, they conveniently forget all the bits you can't ignore, zoning times, pickup times, skill activation times etc. With runners, you can't even run an empty zone in those times. When challenged you always get the same reply, they are good and you are noob. Yet you will never see a full video showing the claims, just screen shots and part vids.

Not to take anything away from Kotte's screenshot, 48 seconds for that part run is faster that I would have credited, but it still doesn't equal a 60 second full run. And Mr. Undisclosed, I think Kotte is quite capable of speaking ,without guildies chipping in to weaken his argument.

there are also macros you can use which are not against EULA that can make it even faster than that. c'mon man, get over it. he was off by 3 seconds, by your accounting, for this particular run. i'm sure he has some that are faster and some that are slower. personally i do the boss group, including boss also and consistently get 1:40 full runs, including zoning and everything. don't need shrine blessing anymore since it's maxed, though, and i'm sure kottis' is also.

@OP, raptor runs are so popular because it is a farming run with a high concentration of easily killable enemies in a tight space that can be repeated very quickly. there isn't a particular skill any of the raptors use that can severly hurt you and during special drop weekends, they can easily net you 50k per hour plus asuran rep points and gold items to ID or sell.

nkuvu · Nov 10, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by Mr.Kotte

Have fun
That run was 48 seconds.

Is that a typical quantity for drops for you?

Mr. Undisclosed · Nov 10, 2008, 09:31 PM // 21:31

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Not to take anything away from Kotte's screenshot, 48 seconds for that part run is faster that I would have credited, but it still doesn't equal a 60 second full run. And Mr. Undisclosed, I think Kotte is quite capable of speaking ,without guildies chipping in to weaken his argument.

Tbh I don't see how it weakens his argument at all. You seem to be the one with a weakend argument.

Fay Vert · Nov 10, 2008, 10:27 PM // 22:27

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Originally Posted by joshuarodger

c'mon man, get over it. he was off by 3 seconds, by your accounting, for this particular run. i'm sure he has some that are faster and some that are slower.

I have achnowleded twice already that I am impressed with Kotte's time. He is the only one I have seen so far that has come close to the claim, and I have challenged many on it, nobody has offered any proof. The reason I get a bit pissy with this is that these threads start off with someone asking for information and advise, what then invariably happens is the epeen "I'm so l33t" merchants turn up with their claims and undermines the whole concept of the information, and they're all full of BS . Maybe Kotte can get near to 1 min (I'll take his word on the 48 seconds claim, but all the screen shot shows is no worse than 59), but basically for 99% of all people out there, you do well to hit them in 1:30 on a complete cycle.

The other thing that pisses me off is this whole "I'm not showing yo my build" farce. I mean really, 3 1/2 years into a largely dead game and people are still saying that!!! FFS how sad is that? Probably has "Secret farming spots" too.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Undisclosed

Tbh I don't see how it weakens his argument at all. You seem to be the one with a weakend argument.

Actually, sorry for that, I happened to notice your guild before I read your post so it sort of set the tone for me.

blackknight1337 · Nov 10, 2008, 10:28 PM // 22:28

ok...i think we have all had enough of kotte's guildies joining the thread. Let it die?

and build-wise, its pathetically easy to guess what he is running...

Mr.Kotte · Nov 11, 2008, 01:32 PM // 13:32

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Originally Posted by blackknight1337

ok...i think we have all had enough of kotte's guildies joining the thread. Let it die?

and build-wise, its pathetically easy to guess what he is running...

Lol TAM is all over Guru.
And yes, the build is, maybe not patheticy easy, but still rather easy to figure out.