Curse

lordheinous · Nov 26, 2008, 02:25 AM // 02:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by IcyFiftyFive

Ele raptors = 32+ boss in 1:15 plus rezone of 6s gogo

Ele Vaettir = 60 in 5:00 and rezone of 3 mins every 10 runs

What..?

Your doing the wrong build obviously; thats like saying ecto farming isn't efficient because it takes forever for your ultra-bad-low-efficiency build to kill anything. By using the sin keg bomber method, runs take right about 2 minutes for me, including zoning, and I'm sure if you're really good you can probably shave even a little bit more time off. That's not including the run there of course, but that's compensated by the fact that there are two bosses on the way who you can spend less than 30 extra seconds to kill and get chances at elite tomes/greens; the scythe can even be sold in spamadan for about 10k easily.

CyclonicYoh · Nov 26, 2008, 02:45 AM // 02:45

well there was some statistics posted awhile ago and i think doing hundreds of runs has proven it. Only farming the top group of about 36 i believe in less than 2 mins yields more in the long run that farming all 60. (which seems true after hours of testing)

and just unids alone without event items tallys up to about 42k and hour at 7 for 5k and i keep the stones and tomes and others too. with event items and the new title changes it takes about an hour to get around 210 event items.

Spiritz · Nov 26, 2008, 02:48 AM // 02:48

I think ppl are getting confused - topic was for raptor or sin bombing and ele is being mentioned.
Both have pros an cons - specially as shadow bomber the run to get there first then its plain sailing but ......... with faster kills u do get less drops - get a shadow bomber to do several runs ( rezone ) and out of maybe 60 kills you will get maybe 5 - 10 drops for the mass killing ( i do 2 groups ) and ive had runs with 1 single drop.
Treat drops id say go raptors nm ( somehow u get more in nm ) but if you treat farming and want norn rep go shadow bomber and run south to olafstead area - if you have the asuran boss quest its a bonus but u can farm everything else and get treats as bonus.
I do a few runs and only return when im full of golds/runes/tomes/purples.

dilan155 · Nov 26, 2008, 03:38 AM // 03:38

what i meant by luck is if you run with an ele then there is a need to watch the enchants, specially with the boss. he did not specify it as sin raptor farming but rather just raptor farming.

cyvil · Nov 26, 2008, 02:18 PM // 14:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire The Nutter

Vaettir bombing definitely ftw

Simple Farmers build is IMO the best
[build=Shadow Bomber;OwZS45PTSf8I6M0kIQpZ3lNQ]

From the posts on here and my experience I would advise the following

1) Zone in, grab bounty (if you want)
2) Close in on top (north most) group, 36 foes total
3) Cast up SF with 1,2,3 and then 7,8 to speed up
4) Agro all foes in that area and make it back to Budger, if you cant use 5 to teleport
5) Recast SF, just 3 this time
6) Bomb them quick as you can (ive mapped drop item to the ` key top left of my keyboard so I just mash space+`)
7) Pick up drops
8) 7+8
9) Run out
10) Use 8 to run back into zone

36 foes less than 2 mins and from trying raptors for 1hr vs Vaettirs for 1hr during Halloween, I know what ill be doing

If you want you can do the other 24 but you will slow things down

Can't complain at all about the build, but I replace Heart of Shadow with Ebon Escape, as it makes getting to the kegs a little easier (i.e. shadow steps to Budger), and I replace Feigned with Dash for near constant speed boost (have not needed much healing). Minor changes due to preference only.

blackknight1337 · Nov 27, 2008, 07:28 AM // 07:28

IaU is a waste of a slot. Dash ftw. Also Shadow of Haste is pro...~2 min 15 sec for 60 foes.

And before people start arguing...I run without anti-kd and without a heal and do just fine. Return or ebon escape for teleporting to Budger also makes it faster, as you can get re-blocked using heart of shadow.

If you need IaU or heals with a 5-6 sec dash, then you are bad at timing.

Jade · Nov 27, 2008, 09:18 AM // 09:18

Obviously there are pros and cons to each run. I have never done any Vaettir bombing myself, so don't take my word for it. But as I understand it, you have to leave from Sifhalla, talk to Budger, run south through Drakkar Lake, zone into Norrhart Domains, then north into Bjora marches, then back west into Jaga Moraine. Can this be right? Or does Budger spawn in Jaga Moraine east of Sifhalla? Because if you have to run all that way just to farm vaettirs with Budger, then I vote for raptors just for convenience sake.

Fire The Nutter · Nov 27, 2008, 10:39 AM // 10:39

Oh yer, convenience = raptors definitely but imo if you've got 1 hr to spend do the bombing. Budger does only spawn outside Sifhalla so you have to run through the zones listed. That said, you can get the run time down without major problems (build i posted is safest, tips above quicker) and once you're there its zone, loot, zone, loot.

Other advantage of bombing is the options. Got bored? pop out and kill Taameh the Frigid, insectoid skin scythe, elite derv tome options. Bored of the run there? Pop by Fenrir's cave, Elite Para tome, green shield and chance of the new hammer skin (cant rem name its one of the design ones).
Still bored? zone through to Ice Cliff chasms try for Ele, Ranger tomes + greens.
Still bored? Zone through to outside Olafstead, kill ice imps for ele tomes, clear the lake, elite ele tome, to the west another Derv boss (easy repeat farm by going to portal and back in).

So yer, I prefer bombing and thats after getting r8 asuran on my ele from just that, and r8-9 Norn on assasin but absolutely each to their own. Tried W/D raptors last night for a change, didnt like it even though its quick enough, D/W looks like too shame my derv is a new char. Oh and dont even consider Vaettir with Ele, its SOOO slow (yes farmed enough stones for 2 sets of gloves so i feel qualified to comment), same goes for Touch Resilient Ranger, yup it works but its not quick and most people are here for the greatest time vs profit margin (or possibly title grind time)

Best of luck to you all though this thanksgiving!

Amnel Ithtirsol · Nov 27, 2008, 12:10 PM // 12:10

r8 Asura, r7 Norn on my sin just from these two farms

During event weekends I've also found veattirs to be the better option.
All other times Raptors are better.

arturfel · Nov 27, 2008, 06:50 PM // 18:50

Hey guys, anyone can give an Sin build to farm raptors?

ive been trying somes but they are to slow

the_pillo · Nov 27, 2008, 07:06 PM // 19:06

not entirely sure how to put the pictures in but the build i use i can run there without dying. and it works for voltaic spear farming as well... now as for the question of which it would be. i would say that the raptor farming is not as good as the vattir for the simple fact of more drops and a better rate of gold drops.. not to mention with chatting with guild and alliance members i have come to find that the ration is a 4:1 for pies and a 4.3:1 for cider in vattir. so 4:1 is you get 4 pies per run approximately. there will be times when you get more or less.. while raptors generate a 2-3:1 ration on both. not to mention sin tomes are VERY cheap whereas mesmer tomes still sell for a decent price (200-500). all in all the vattir is better imo. while run is longer you can continuously farm and there is always taameh and his friends that drop greens,necro tomes, derv tomes. now the build goes as follows

Glyph of swiftness
Deadly Paradox
Shadow Form
Dash
I am unstoppable
Dark escape
Shadow step( i use deaths charge because i havent put in an ally 1cuz im lazy)
and a heal. i use the starter 1.. (+10 reegn for like 4-5 seconds)..

basically you want to use only your run skills and use shadow step whenever you get body blocked by the vattirs.

also as ive noticed MY PERSONAL drop rate is 5golds in vattir to every 1 in raptors. so.. decision is your own.

Khazad Guard · Nov 28, 2008, 03:38 AM // 03:38

For the Vaettirs I use:
[Glyph of Swiftness][Deadly Paradox][Shadow Form][Death's Charge][Death's Retreat][Shadow Refuge][Dark Escape][Dash]

-Death's Charge+Dash is for skipping the group of Modnirs on the way to Bjora's.
-Dark Escape is for gathering Vaettirs
-Shadow Refuge is for when I decide to run into a trap or get too close to an Avalanche
-Death's Retreat is for easy access to Keg Man and if you are lazy quickly teleporting to the Shrine Norn

My sin was created just to get Legendary Survivor (I am lazy...) by Shadowbombing so he doesnt have any PvE Skills at the moment. A note though for those going for R3 Survivor, two guildies were Shadowbombing and when they zoned into Bjora's a group of Mandragor quickly took them out before they could cast SF or run. I have done countless runs but I have never met this group, but both guildies said it was true so I'll believe them. So beware (take some h/h protection and just flag at the portal when farming)

The worse thing about Vaettirs is definately inventory. Without a direct 'staging area' like Raptors (Rata Sum) you need to decide what you want to keep. This of course isn't a problem if you just keep all the golds, tomes, glacials, and special drops but if you pick up every single white then err...

masta_yoda · Nov 28, 2008, 04:36 AM // 04:36

too above, its true fact that mandragors spawn on you at start of bjora, and also bring salvage kits / id kits while bombing loads of iron / steel / dust / tons of wood thats if ur not selling unids

blackknight1337 · Nov 28, 2008, 05:28 AM // 05:28

pretty rare is the spawn at start of bjora, but yes it does happen.

today had 2 elite sin tomes in like 5 runs of raptors on e/me...golds dried up a bit on vaetirr, but still making 50k+ an hour there, raptors have dropped horribly when i've done them on ele though.

Tom Swift · Nov 28, 2008, 03:52 PM // 15:52

Just slightly over 2 mins for both groups of vaetirr. I do both because I seem to get most of my golds from the 2nd group. It would usually be just under 2 mins but it takes me about 20 seconds to pick up the holiday items because the dwarf keeps standing between me and the good stuff.

Yes the mandragors can have a a bad spawn in Bjora but since you will be killing lots of things the dp is minor (just be careful if you are going survivor)

I add in dwarven stability. With DS i am under dash almost all the way to the vaetirr and can extend dark escape long enough to gather the vaettirr more quickly (i found that using dash to gather the vaettir sometimes causes them to lose agro)

lordheinous · Nov 28, 2008, 06:23 PM // 18:23

Tip for the mandragors at the beginning of bjora:

Only had it happen to me a couple of times, but what i did was just try to throw up sf (won't always work) and dash for the portal, then rezone back in.

stef247 · Nov 28, 2008, 06:35 PM // 18:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fire The Nutter

Vaettir bombing definitely ftw

If you like Vaettirs bombing, stop drawing attention to it!

Imho Raptors are a bit better because you have a high chance to get black/white dye, Elite Tomes, Scrolls...

CE Devilman · Nov 29, 2008, 05:24 AM // 05:24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyo2f7ZVCnk&fmt=18

speed up keg farming:
assign keys to skills (drop-do it-ally nearest)

key 1 = ally nearest
key 2 = drop
key 3 = do it

.. use 2 fingers to press 2+3...at the same time (Woody Woodpecker on speed)

2:20 before rezone.

Metatail · Nov 29, 2008, 11:38 AM // 11:38

@^ Speed it up further, take "By Ural's Hammer" and hit them for 42dmg!

Icy The Mage · Nov 30, 2008, 12:46 AM // 00:46

Or just be elite and run as E/A with a 12 Shadow Arts, almost - coverable SF.

Go for the left group, and by the time you aggro the most northern part of them, wait 5s, then shadow step back to Budgar, spam Space/F1, they'll start exploding about 1/2 second before SF drops, boom 50 dmg. they're all KD-ed = no dmg to you. (and if you believe in the superstition that low health = good drops, then you're in luck.) Same goes for the other group, go into the little crevice and death's charge to the closest vaettir after SF-ing up, then gather em all with Dark Escape, shadow step to Budgar and spam you kegs again; my runs take a little over 2:10 including zoning / rezoning time.