Curse

Metatail · Aug 29, 2008, 01:34 PM // 13:34

[Warrior Variant;OQojEpV4KT5FmXdbrXAW7gGFdFA]

Well, following the OP guide I just filled some empty holes in my warrior's build. Came up with something like this. You may try getting the Mystic Sandstorm in there instead of Protector's Strike. However I find this build not "too" cool just because it includes some luck factor. Anyway thanks for something new. Cheers !

Defbuster · Aug 29, 2008, 02:00 PM // 14:00

Very Cool! Always good to see something outside of the box. A Video would be a nice addition.

Mr. Undisclosed · Aug 29, 2008, 02:59 PM // 14:59

Tried the build, seems like (for me at least) everything lives but just with a low amount of health. Dunno what I'm doing wrong I have everything set the way you said, just not seeing the instant skill effect at all =/

Nechtan Thaumaturge · Aug 29, 2008, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Looks awesome, but I can't get over it being so prone to failure if a raptor can just get in one D-Stab.

You shouldn't have too many issues with Disrupting Stab (in fact you're kind of counting on it to charge your adrenaline via Wary Stance). Avatar of Balthazar, Sand Shards, and Veil of Thorns are pre-cast so there's no problem there. Armor of Sanctity is vulnerable, but since it's a 1/4 second spell, the window is pretty small. If you always cast it on the run while you are a few steps ahead of the Raptors, you should never get it disrupted. You won't have to worry about "By Ural's Hammer!" because it's a shout, and Whirlwind Attack is going to be protected by Wary Stance. Make sure you hit "By Ural's Hammer!" *before* Wary Stance and don't do anything but maybe attack while Wary Stance is up, because it will only cover one skill.

Mystic Sandstorm does get disrupted, although you can delay it for about half a second, or the amount of time it takes for the last Disrupting Stabs fall and the Raptors to decide to scatter. You'll lose some kills that way, but you're usually scrambling at that point anyway.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Undisclosed

Tried the build, seems like (for me at least) everything lives but just with a low amount of health. Dunno what I'm doing wrong I have everything set the way you said, just not seeing the instant skill effect at all =/

Three things I might recommend: First, delay just a bit longer before going for the kill. Count off three or four seconds between activating Armor of Sanctity and hitting "By Ural's Hammer!", then another two to three seconds between hitting Wary Stance and hitting Whirlwind Attack. The extra delay is often needed to give all the Raptors enough time to put up their Critical Defenses. Second, attack while Wary Stance is up (but before you hit Whirlwind Attack) and try to get one trigger of Sand Shards from your normal attacks. Third, make sure you're pulling as many Raptors as possible; I'd say 18 is the bare minimum, even with good luck, and you can grab as many as 24.

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Originally Posted by kicks66

Is there any replacement for By Urals Hammer?

I used Mirage Cloak for awhile, but it's not as good. You cast it after Armor of Sanctity (ideally just after the first of the Raptors attacks you, but before the entire mob surrounds you). The insta-kills are harder to achieve without "By Ural's Hammer!", although you'll get an extra kick out of Mystic Sandstorm (plus the 50% blocking from Mirage Cloak helps to make sure that doesn't get disrupted).

zwei2stein · Aug 29, 2008, 05:04 PM // 17:04

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Originally Posted by Metatail

[Warrior Variant;OQojEpV4KT5FmXdbrXAW7gGFdFA]

Well, following the OP guide I just filled some empty holes in my warrior's build. Came up with something like this. You may try getting the Mystic Sandstorm in there instead of Protector's Strike. However I find this build not "too" cool just because it includes some luck factor. Anyway thanks for something new. Cheers !

As warrior primary you might want to experiment with new [Defy Pain]

joshuarodger · Aug 29, 2008, 05:22 PM // 17:22

i don't know that a warrior would be able to run it properly due to the energy issues. [[wary stance] may solve that once you have the room aggroed but i just think it's a little too energy intensive for a warrior. and a warrior couldn't use [[avatar of balth], which actually serves as both extra armor and speed boost. a warrior's natural armor should make up for most of the armor lost from balth but maybe not all and you would need a speed boost still.

it could work but i don't think it would very well. nice job on working this out for a derv though.

EDIT: i didn't bother looking at the second page, so i wasn't aware that a warrior variant had already been posted i guess... interested to see how well it works though.

Bibblenorn · Aug 29, 2008, 05:33 PM // 17:33

I honestly can't get this to work... I'll be eagerly awaiting the video.

Khasar · Aug 29, 2008, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

As warrior primary you might want to experiment with new [Defy Pain]

Agreed. that will make up for the armor lost from balths and I'm pretty sure that most of your damage comes from spamming [Whirlwind Attack] right? I would think you would want to avoid making that a 5 sec recharge.

Ariena Najea · Aug 29, 2008, 05:58 PM // 17:58

I haven't had time to try this out for myself yet, but this looks solid.

What if you change the elite to [ebon dust aura] to cause miss chance AND synergy with [armor of sanctity], with whirlwind attack this should blind nearly everything. I'm not too familiar with raptor farming, but if you still need a speed-boost, would simply using [pious haste] work?

Picuso · Aug 29, 2008, 06:09 PM // 18:09

The problem with EDA is that if you blind them, they can't crit you, so they don't refresh Critical Defenses, and you will be able to hit them with the scythe, making Sand Shards useless :S

Tender Care · Aug 29, 2008, 06:42 PM // 18:42

Tried out the build....works great, but.....a simple question: wht should raptor nestlings drop? except bones and not even max white/azure weapons??

Senrath · Aug 29, 2008, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by Tender Care

Tried out the build....works great, but.....a simple question: wht should raptor nestlings drop? except bones and not even max white/azure weapons??

Make sure you're in HM. Then they drop things like golds, lockpicks, and dyes.

Lyynyyrd · Aug 29, 2008, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by Khasar

Agreed. that will make up for the armor lost from balths and I'm pretty sure that most of your damage comes from spamming [Whirlwind Attack] right? I would think you would want to avoid making that a 5 sec recharge.

You only use Whirlwind Attack once, and it triggers about 20 x 29 damage. (580)

Absinth187 · Aug 29, 2008, 07:21 PM // 19:21

Just wow.

Looking forward to your video, OP.

Mr. Undisclosed · Aug 29, 2008, 08:16 PM // 20:16

So I got the hang of it

Its fun to make them go boom!

Sir Pandra Pierva · Aug 29, 2008, 08:26 PM // 20:26

hmmm i like this build......may have to try the warrior one

TechnoSword · Aug 29, 2008, 08:44 PM // 20:44

im modifying the warrior build trying to take them out, but at about 25-30% health they scatter and i get maybe one or two kills am I doing something wrong?

Metatail · Aug 29, 2008, 09:41 PM // 21:41

[Rage of the Ntouka] actually lets you unleash your [Whirlwind Attack] right away without waiting for them to hit you and you are already taking 0 damage with these dervish skills on and Knight Insignias. The main issue with this is the fact that if they survive the damage spike they scatter right away which kind of messes up the purpose of this fast farming.

Bibblenorn · Aug 29, 2008, 10:41 PM // 22:41

I am having a problem with the scatter as well. I am only successful in killing some in 1 of 5 runs, and even then, I only kill a few and most scatter with 10% or so life left. I am running the dervish version. Any advice?

Nechtan Thaumaturge · Aug 29, 2008, 10:59 PM // 22:59

Video up, check the original post. Hope you like it!

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Originally Posted by Bibblenorn

I am having a problem with the scatter as well. I am only successful in killing some in 1 of 5 runs, and even then, I only kill a few and most scatter with 10% or so life left. I am running the dervish version. Any advice?

Assuming you're running 16 Earth Prayers and are getting Whirlwind Attack off before "By Ural's Hammer!" ends, I'd recommend checking the skill timings in the video; I'm guessing you're hitting Whirlwind Attack too early (that's what usually is the problem for me). Also, there's some more advice in post #24 that might be helpful.

Sometimes it doesn't work as planned, but assuming you aren't making any mistakes, you should be getting more like 4 out of 5 successes. Also, you can usually kill about half the Raptors with Mystic Sandstorm if the spike leaves you short.

EDIT: reworded