Curse

petrorabbit · Jun 12, 2008, 05:26 PM // 17:26

OP, nice guide, but basically, it is a modified version of the A/Me sin guide pre-SF buff. IMO, i'm not to thrilled about using consumables for the UW runs. It really does take away from your investment/reward ratio. Even though you may gain some speed from having an extra damage skill shaving off around 5-10 minutes a run, I don't think it is worth it. I understand it adds up in the long run, but so does the cost of investing in consumables each run.

Now with that said, A/E is not that slow, and HM is not a must. If you are doing plains for pure ecto, then NM will suffice, but if you like the challenge of HM and more merchant food to sell, then by all means, nobody is stopping you. But if you want to be efficient, HM is not required unless you're doing smites with A/E sliver. Yes A/E sliver can do the chamber and smites, and HM is required for the increased attack speed of monsters.

Now other posters, just because others critique a build does not mean it is flaming. Insulting a build outright or the poster would be flaming, so please don't label honest opinions and criticisms as flaming because EVERYONE should be open to critiques if they post any build or guide.

And to OP, not insulting you or anything, but I recommend you to post coherently and with clarity. Since we're on a forum here, your words are your way of communication, and keeping it clear and concise will not only help others understand you better, but also clear up any confusions or misinformations.

AOD_EaSyKiLL · Jun 12, 2008, 07:12 PM // 19:12

Critiquing a build properly, would require offering suggestions to the OP to make it better, that is not happening here, everyone is just saying that consumables suck or the A/E build is better.

Its simple, if you dont like to use consumables, dont use this build. If you dont like HM, dont use this build.

Its widely known that the A/E fire build will take a lot longer to clear the chamber of Aatxe and Grasps in HM than in NM. They flee AoE and even using the lower HP trick, they still will flee AoE. While I agree that using a Celerity in NM is not worth the differences in the speed compared to the A/E, that isnt what is being compared, it is HM.

BuRdTuRd · Jun 12, 2008, 09:22 PM // 21:22

I just finished getting all the skills/titles needed for this build, but the only things I can seem to kill are the Graspings. I simply don't do enough damage to the aatxes... Any suggestions?

Ultima2 · Jun 12, 2008, 10:17 PM // 22:17

Tbh I dont see why you people don't like this guide. In HM you can make enough money from drops to cover the cons and more. More golds and tomes. You can go A/E if you want but I would rather use this than A/E to farm in HM in uw. I've began to use this and already liked it. Oh and A/E is much slower in HM, I've tried it and takes forever.

petrorabbit · Jun 12, 2008, 10:44 PM // 22:44

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Originally Posted by Ultima2

Tbh I dont see why you people don't like this guide.

I don't really have a problem with the guide. I just read Teotufs guide first.

WorryOWastrel · Jun 13, 2008, 02:02 AM // 02:02

Can this be accomplished using a Mesmer/Assassin? Or is it just Assassin/Mesmer?

petrorabbit · Jun 13, 2008, 04:24 AM // 04:24

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Originally Posted by WorryOWastrel

Can this be accomplished using a Mesmer/Assassin? Or is it just Assassin/Mesmer?

short answer: Yes.

Mr. Undisclosed · Jun 13, 2008, 06:32 AM // 06:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by petrorabbit

OP, nice guide, but basically, it is a modified version of the A/Me sin guide pre-SF buff. IMO, i'm not to thrilled about using consumables for the UW runs. It really does take away from your investment/reward ratio. Even though you may gain some speed from having an extra damage skill shaving off around 5-10 minutes a run, I don't think it is worth it. I understand it adds up in the long run, but so does the cost of investing in consumables each run.

Now with that said, A/E is not that slow, and HM is not a must. If you are doing plains for pure ecto, then NM will suffice, but if you like the challenge of HM and more merchant food to sell, then by all means, nobody is stopping you. But if you want to be efficient, HM is not required unless you're doing smites with A/E sliver. Yes A/E sliver can do the chamber and smites, and HM is required for the increased attack speed of monsters.

Now other posters, just because others critique a build does not mean it is flaming. Insulting a build outright or the poster would be flaming, so please don't label honest opinions and criticisms as flaming because EVERYONE should be open to critiques if they post any build or guide.

And to OP, not insulting you or anything, but I recommend you to post coherently and with clarity. Since we're on a forum here, your words are your way of communication, and keeping it clear and concise will not only help others understand you better, but also clear up any confusions or misinformations.

You just put together everything I wanted to say in one post, gg.

Also is the Earth A/E build you spoke of the one ReZ posted?

petrorabbit · Jun 13, 2008, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by Mr. Undisclosed

You just put together everything I wanted to say in one post, gg.

Also is the Earth A/E build you spoke of the one ReZ posted?

For smites, its slightly modfied to include both Shadow Refuge and Feign Neutrality. Saw it on the discussion on QQ for the build.

Dante the Warlord · Jun 13, 2008, 11:18 PM // 23:18

Hmm how long did the run take?

AOD_EaSyKiLL · Jun 14, 2008, 03:47 PM // 15:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by petrorabbit

For smites, its slightly modfied to include both Shadow Refuge and Feign Neutrality. Saw it on the discussion on QQ for the build.

Smites can be done with Shadow Refuge alone, just dont pull many at once.

zmano11 · Feb 14, 2009, 10:15 PM // 22:15

Does this still work?

concrete pete · Feb 15, 2009, 01:35 PM // 13:35

gg for rezing an old post.....

on topic : i dont think it will work as fast as it should do anymore
mindblades more health
ranged now
idk need someone to test
i think the a/e build is better
i dunno if the silver build is better than the MoR + LF build or not
need some one who has tested both to post their input

p.s if ANYONE knows the best build for NM then please post it
if possible able to do smites and other places than chaos plains
basically best ecto farm for a sin other than UWSC
i know a/e will probably pop up but which is the best build?
silver or MoR+LF?????

Thanks

faraaz · Feb 15, 2009, 02:06 PM // 14:06

The best build for NM would go something like this:

[deadly paradox][arcane echo][shadow form][auspicious incantation][radiation field][ether nightmare][channeling] [death's charge]or[dark escape]or[cry of pain]

Mr.Kotte · Feb 15, 2009, 04:11 PM // 16:11

I'm currently thinking of a build (using essence) which would be similar to the original build. Here goes nothing:

A/Me: [Channeling][Deadly Paradox][Shadow Form][Auspicious Incantation][Radiation Field][Mind Wrack][Cry of Pain][Arcane Echo]
The main idea is to somewhat exploit [[Hex Breaker] using [[Mind Wrack] to make one of the targeted enemies be hex-able. Basicly wait until the target uses [[Hex Breaker] again then apply [[Mind Wrack] - Let it recharge and apply it again. Now you can Cry em for 30 seconds. Use [[Arcane Echo] for [[Cry of Pain] to deal additional damage.

Like I said, nothing of this is tested - Just an idea I had.
If anyone acctualy tries this please let me know time and such

Insaneguy75 · Feb 21, 2009, 03:29 AM // 03:29

Which A/E build is better?

-Sliver
-Burning Speed+Lava Font
-Mark of Rodgort+Lava Font (how is energy management for this one?)

Elite Bushido · Feb 21, 2009, 08:32 PM // 20:32

mark of rodgort doesnt work anymore, hasnt for like 6 months

Spiritz · Feb 22, 2009, 05:11 PM // 17:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Kotte

I'm currently thinking of a build (using essence) which would be similar to the original build. Here goes nothing:

A/Me: [Channeling][Deadly Paradox][Shadow Form][Auspicious Incantation][Radiation Field][Mind Wrack][Cry of Pain][Arcane Echo]
The main idea is to somewhat exploit [[Hex Breaker] using [[Mind Wrack] to make one of the targeted enemies be hex-able. Basicly wait until the target uses [[Hex Breaker] again then apply [[Mind Wrack] - Let it recharge and apply it again. Now you can Cry em for 30 seconds. Use [[Arcane Echo] for [[Cry of Pain] to deal additional damage.

Like I said, nothing of this is tested - Just an idea I had.
If anyone acctualy tries this please let me know time and such

mindblades will use hexbreaker on each other sadly - so if u do manage to hex 1 it`ll be gone in seconds .. this is assumed from similar mes foes doing it.
Also they cant be diseased and rf will only cause 5 secs of degen - rf was mentioned somewhere else for a/e uw farming.
Dunno about ether nightmare but if it does work that may be better use than rf

@concrete pete - you seem a bit misguided over uwsc and ectos.
If someone can back me up who does uwsc -
Uwsc means getting uw done asap so mass killin rules and only certain foes drop ectos.
If you were in a team doing uw non sc then you would normally get more ectos - slower kills usually gives more drops - this is per run not runs per hr.
To expect uwsc to give plenty of ectos is wrong - check ectos price which shows a steady amount of ectos being farmed.When anet did original sf buff ( no dmg reduction ) ectos plummited due to amount bein available.
Ectos now from trader flux between 4.5 and 5.5k on avg - they went below 4k on the sf incident.
Given amount of uwsc that takes place then easy ectos would crash ectos price, this means either -
a. Uwsc doesnt give great ecto amounts
b. Uwsc teams are hoarding stacks of ectos and will hold us all to randsom or they will crash the economy ( highly unlikely lol ).

I never understand why ppl assume uw = loads of ectos and mega $$ , when u see posts sayin "uw is nerfed as i didnt get any ectos" you just have to laugh - i never see toa/cos with say 20 dists and all other gw outposts empty apart from non ascended players coz everyone is ecto farming.

Remember ecto drops are luck and we all have lucky and unlucky days - some of us more unlucky than lucky .

blackknight1337 · Feb 22, 2009, 11:03 PM // 23:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiritz

mindblades will use hexbreaker on each other sadly - so if u do manage to hex 1 it`ll be gone in seconds .. this is assumed from similar mes foes doing it.
Also they cant be diseased and rf will only cause 5 secs of degen - rf was mentioned somewhere else for a/e uw farming.
Dunno about ether nightmare but if it does work that may be better use than rf

Couple of things.....

Hexbreaker is a stance and as such is not usable by one mindblade on another. Also activating hex breaker while hexed does nothing.

On Radiation Field...if you want degen that is non fire based this is pretty much your only choice. Ether nightmare is an AoE hex...you'll kill yourself on hex breaker.

Mr.Kotte · Feb 23, 2009, 10:31 AM // 10:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiritz

mindblades will use hexbreaker on each other sadly - so if u do manage to hex 1 it`ll be gone in seconds .. this is assumed from similar mes foes doing it.
Also they cant be diseased and rf will only cause 5 secs of degen - rf was mentioned somewhere else for a/e uw farming.
Dunno about ether nightmare but if it does work that may be better use than rf

Mindblades will use Hexbreaker on themselves, and if you cast Mind Wrack just as they refreshed Hexbreaker, they have to wait 15 seconds before they can cast it again - now they're hexable.
Radiation Field is for speeding up the killing of Aatxes, Ausp. Inc. should be used for Arcane Echo at Plains.

I tried it in HM where it was superslow. Havnt tried NM yet.

One thing I did notice was that the Mindblades do run out of energy, so I assume a Mark of Rodgord based build should be able to work.