Curse

Anori Sakaii · Apr 16, 2009, 08:09 PM // 20:09

I have a question about the build, is it possible to do the build without the eotn skillz. I would rather not have to beat the game again....... If you can, can u plz post a build, i really wanna do some UWSC but I personally think perma is lame (dont hate me for this.)
So plz help me

TheodenKing · Apr 16, 2009, 09:30 PM // 21:30

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Originally Posted by Anori Sakaii

I really wanna do some UWSC but I personally think perma is lame (dont hate me for this.)

Well, UWSC is UnderWorld Speed Clear. They call it this because the permas can get through the areas the fastest and with the least fighting. So, you are entitled to think perma is lame, but you'll have to live with it if you truly want to do speed clears.

(The fastest I've seen so far is just over 14 minutes to the end chest in HM).

Zidane Ortef · Apr 16, 2009, 09:52 PM // 21:52

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Originally Posted by TheodenKing

Well, UWSC is UnderWorld Speed Clear. They call it this because the permas can get through the areas the fastest and with the least fighting. So, you are entitled to think perma is lame, but you'll have to live with it if you truly want to do speed clears.

(The fastest I've seen so far is just over 14 minutes to the end chest in HM).

What does this have to do with the OP. He's asking a Monk or Mesmer RoJ build for Vale that doesn't use PvE skills so he doesn't have to Perma tank.

@OP

As for builds with out PvE skills yes you could make one using other skills, but the likely hood of you getting into a pug is slim to none. PuGs are set to exact builds and if they are different then normal they freak out and shut down the build with out even analyzing it. So Guild runs I'm sure you could get by with different skills, but as for the PuGing aspect of the game your not going to be accepted.

DarkGanni · Apr 16, 2009, 11:00 PM // 23:00

Hi,

[Auspicious Incantation][Arcane Echo][Ray Of Judgment][Castigation Signet][Strength of Honor][Smite Condition][Patient Spirit] and [Resurrection Chant]/[Rebirth]

Attributes:

12 + 1 + 3 Smiting Prayers
10 Healing
8 Inspiration
Leftovers I usually put in Divine Favor

Equipment:

40/40 Smiting Set

Chocobo1 · Apr 17, 2009, 12:07 AM // 00:07

Just be aware that if your build isn't "correct" they might kick you if you ping it. Try avoid pinging and if they request it, copy the template code of the right one and send that to chat.

The run is do able, but you will take probably an extra RoJ per group which is 20 seconds extra each time you fight.

byteme! · Apr 17, 2009, 12:53 AM // 00:53

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Originally Posted by Chocobo1

Just be aware that if your build isn't "correct" they might kick you if you ping it. Try avoid pinging and if they request it, copy the template code of the right one and send that to chat.

I'm sorry but this is absolutely positively unacceptable anytime anywhere. You can not/should not promote bad behavior like this ever and especially to people "who are trying to learn". Lead by example and make it a good one. Needless to say, you're blacklisted. I don't ever want to team with you. Just wait til more people see your post.

You're dishonest. What goes around comes around.

Chocobo1 · Apr 17, 2009, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by byteme!

I'm sorry but this is absolutely positively unacceptable anytime anywhere. You can not/should not promote bad behavior like this ever and especially to people "who are trying to learn". Lead by example and make it a good one. Needless to say, you're blacklisted. I don't ever want to team with you. Just wait til more people see your post.

You're dishonest. What goes around comes around.

I'm trying to help a dude get into UWSC groups when he doesnt have PvE skills. His build would work perfectly without them, but PUG's will never accept anything that isn't straight from wiki.

If he goes with friends he will never have to worry about it, but since we don't live in some fairy tale he is going to have to accept that without PvE skills his chances of getting into a group are not high.

If my own opinion gets me blacklisted, and not my own actions then needless to say, I hope you enjoy your terrible outlook on others. Because punishing someone with only good intentions is terrible. You might accept him in a group but we very well know that the majority of players won't.

Edit: Just saw your location thing: "Don't tell me how to play my game and I won't tell you how to play yours. Get it?". Nice work buddy.

byteme! · Apr 17, 2009, 01:10 AM // 01:10

If you honestly think you are doing the right thing then by all means keep doing it. Really though, you're suggesting he lie his way into a group. The end result is he may wind up causing grief for everyone else except himself. There are 7 other players on a team. Doesn't that sound selfish? Sure his build will work, sure he'll do fine etc... But is it something to encourage and promote? I understand your intentions are meant to be good but lying is never good regardless of your intentions.

Nice work buddy.

Chocobo1 · Apr 17, 2009, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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Originally Posted by byteme!

If you honestly think you are doing the right thing then by all means keep doing it.

Nice work buddy.

Heh, if judgemental people like you didn't exist there would be no need to even consider this. There will be no grief, he can fufill his roll EASILY without the skills. I was recently forced to capture these PvE skills because I couldn't get into groups without them. They added 12 damage to my RoJ and thats about it. Air of Superiority is an unreliable skill, Great Dwarf Hammer is pretty useless except for killing some tortured souls in vale and Urai's Shout, while helpful, is not essential to the build.

I would never condone this if it actually hindered the team signifigantly, but it doesn't.

:3 Your welcome to trial pinging his build and see how others accept you?

byteme! · Apr 17, 2009, 01:20 AM // 01:20

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Originally Posted by Chocobo1

:3 Your welcome to trial pinging his build and see how others accept you?

1)Form your own group
2)Keep trying
3)Conform to the masses (use what the leader asks of you)

If you don't want to or can't do option 2 or 3 then option 1 is always available.

Sure I'll run his build and form my own group with it. Easy way around that problem. Anyways this is a discussion about morals now. I've said what I need to say.

Chocobo1 · Apr 17, 2009, 01:26 AM // 01:26

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Originally Posted by byteme!

1)Form your own group
2)Keep trying
3)Conform to the masses (use what the leader asks of you)

If you don't want to or can't do option 2 or 3 then option 1 is always available.

How does forming your own team stop them? If you ping the build, they will call you a noob and leave. If you don't ping, isnt that just as dishonest as lying about it? I know what your getting at dude, I do hate the people that don't bring the right stuff / ruin everyone else's work but this is not what I'm trying to do here. His problem is he cant do option 3, and option 2 is probably never going to work.

Maybe I should have made it more clear that is a unique situation, and that I don't feel that he should do this at any other point. But if we face reality, UWSC groups are incredibly harsh, going a little slow can get you into trouble with everyone. Taking a build that isn't the standard is seriously not going to get you anywhere, even if it works perfectly.

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Anyways this is a discussion about morals now. I've said what I need to say.

When was it not? You are getting high and mighty on people trying to help others.

byteme! · Apr 17, 2009, 01:30 AM // 01:30

Well I guess we can both agree that people can be asshats.

Perhaps the OP should just avoid PuGs and find some guildies or friends to play with instead.

Chocobo1 · Apr 17, 2009, 01:32 AM // 01:32

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Originally Posted by byteme!

Well I guess we can both agree that people can be asshats.

Perhaps the OP should just avoid PuGs and find some guildies or friends to play with instead.

I'll agree with that :P

Still, I dislike how Guild Wars has turned out that there is no room for anything different. I was just trying to get around this. I would hightly recommend him to do as you said, play with Guildies or Friends whenever possible. At least until he can get eotn

wire dawg · Apr 17, 2009, 03:15 AM // 03:15

i agree with byteme telling somoene to ping the wrong build just to get into a group will get u blacklisted from a lot of groups...and the build the guy put it works fine have had pug roj's use it and had no problems. also if u don't want to beat eotn may want to get your ss rank up and put in mind wrack and cop cause we have let pugs use that, and had no problem. i highly suggest u don't ping wrong build and go in with dfferent as the vale sin will know it right off the bat on how fast things are killed if u ping the build with eotn skills in it and u will get nothing but grief over it

Fleeting · Apr 17, 2009, 06:03 AM // 06:03

Trolls, quit derailing the thread. What DarkGanni posted will work fine, but many pugs will still kick you for not having the required eotn skills because you'll be slowing down the group. Just be willing to spend a lot of time searching for groups.

Chocobo1 · Apr 17, 2009, 11:09 AM // 11:09

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Originally Posted by Fleeting

Trolls, quit derailing the thread. What DarkGanni posted will work fine, but many pugs will still kick you for not having the required eotn skills because you'll be slowing down the group. Just be willing to spend a lot of time searching for groups.

Aside for having no idea what a Troll is this guy is right.

Yes I am very aware that pinging the wrong build is dishonourable etc, but you have a very slim chance of getting in without the skills. Face the facts please.

SimplyAmazing · Apr 17, 2009, 06:51 PM // 18:51

first, the deception is a bad idea

second, yes you should beat the game and get the correct skills, because otherwise, you will not make it into many sc's and, if you do, you will probably be failing and having to pay for cons and then destroy your reputation which will result in joining in on even less runs.

they're not needed, but make it much much more fail proof, as [skill]Great Dwarf Weapon[/skill] is a great way to keep the sin alive while he's getting slapped by souls specially if you're title is decent, giving a great chance of causing knockdown on every hit, not too mention, by buffing the ally souls with this, you greatly increase your chances of keeping them alive, and if they die, you fail. and without [skill]By Ural's Hammer[/skill] your RoJ will nearly not be as effective and result in you having to cast RoJ 5-6 times, just to kill two aatxe when it can easily be done with 3 casts. Well having to waste time like that, will result in 20-25-30 minute vale clears, which, will definitely not land you a spot in the next run, and definitely make you have to pay for BU. So i would recommend, playing through eye, one more time, it's really not that hard, AND you don't even have to beat the whole game to get those skills, although beating the game and then turning in a book so your dwarf rank is high, would absolutely positively be a MUCH MUCH better idea, and you will absolutely earn a spot in speed clears without having to pay extra cash, or hear lots of grief or be the victim of kicks and personal attacks because you keep failing or take an extra extra long time to do your job in a SPEED clear.

if you're just stubborn and intent on not beating the game, i would suggest either smiter's boon, or mind bender, [skill]Mindbender[/skill] is the better option, as it halves your casting time and will definitely let you cast another RoJ off of echo before it runs out, and you're definitely going to need an extra heal, or else your vale sin, is toast. good luck.

Chocobo1 · Apr 18, 2009, 01:22 AM // 01:22

Huh? How do you manage to kill the Attaxes in 3 RoJs?

Zodiak · Apr 20, 2009, 06:43 PM // 18:43

I think the start of this video shows how to roj nuke the aatxe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQP2EHGVM1U