Curse

kaply · Jun 09, 2007, 08:26 PM // 20:26

@ibex333:

You're missing spirit bond. That spell will keep you healed up. It will heal you based upon how much damage you would have taken before damage reduction.

Does retribution and holy wrath do damage based upon what you would have taken or just what you actually took?

ibex333 · Jun 09, 2007, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by Ataneruo

I used to think the Survivor title was cool, and was looking for tips to keep my Indomitable Survivor Dervish alive longer with more XP gain. Then I read this and discovered you can get Legendary Survivor in under 10 hours. Now I consider Survivor a pretty sucky title track.

That is BS. First try getting Legendary Survivor using this method..... THEN, tell me how fast and easy this was.

If you just talk math and numbers you should technically get Legendary Survivor in 10 hours... But unless you are lying, or you are a person with no life who plays this thing 24/7 you wont get this title in 10 hours.. You wont get it in 20 hours either.

I've been working on this thing for months.... 1st I was capping skills... ( too long, and gets risky after you get the easy ones)

Then I tried doing missions/quests that I didnt do before - too long, too annoying.

Eventually I got Indomitable Survivor and started doing this "grind".

I've been killing jades for weeks now... Spending about 2-3 hours a day.... And I'm still about 129 runs away by my calculations. DO YOU KNOW WHAT 129 runs is?! On average I can do no more than about 15-20 runs in 2 hours or so. It is really not as fast as some people say!

It might be faster with a monk, but it's NOT much faster. I've been farming with my monk pretty much since Prophecies came out, so I know what I'm talking about.

I'm getting Survivor with my Rit right now, and it is taking forever....
I could probably do this thing faster than I'm doing it, but rushing can get me killed.... Taking a risk to get a title faster at a price of loosing something I spent months on? I don't think so.

Once I get my title, I WILL be EXTREMELY proud of myself. I will gloat about it everywhere in GW. I'll brag about it so much, people will start telling me to STFU. I will curse out any person who will tell me that I didn't work for my title and it was "easy" for me to get. I will be by far more proud of this title then Protectors, Vanquishers, Skill Hunters or anything of that sort.

Again, I can see how someone would get Legendary Survivor in one day, but this person must have a brain and eyes of steel that don't get tired, plus this person must have no life. Hey, some people passed DOOM3 and FEAR in 1 day..... And it took me 2-3 weeks to pass each. My friend did it in one day too... Well, do I want to be him? Naahhh...

EDIT: I have to admit my ignorance.

Apparently 105 was NOT the way to go. I didn't read the guide carefully. Then again there was no build for rits there.
Bonded, and enchanted with symbiosis, I'm getting in excess of 2000 hp!!! That is enough to kill jades in HM.

EDIT2: Just farmed for 2 hours straight. It was faster this time because holy wrath and retrebution triggers much better on 2k hp than on 105hp... lol

Still... I'm only down by 10 runs! So if I had 129 runs to go, now I have 119 runs till r3.

An average run took around 3-4 min, and I didn't count but I'm pretty sure I did more than 10 runs... Still I cant argue against math. Took the amount of exp left till 1,337,500 and divided by 3600 which is how much I get every run. got 119 point something...

Don't no one be tellin' me this s*it is fast.

Easy? HELL YES. Fast? No.

black_mamba · Jun 09, 2007, 10:36 PM // 22:36

Solo margonites FTW

Just a basic splinter barrage build with eoe and running skills... think hit and run... the margs are from this one quest (you need other people to spawn them for you [it was a pain]), but i think anet nerfed the run because people were doing it for money, but i wasnt :P

Antithesis · Jun 10, 2007, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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Originally Posted by ibex333

Apparently 105 was NOT the way to go. I didn't read the guide carefully. Then again there was no build for rits there.
Bonded, and enchanted with symbiosis, I'm getting in excess of 2000 hp!!! That is enough to kill jades in HM.

Low AL + Symbiosis + Spirit Bond = low risk + huge margin of error + big heals + big damage from Holy Wrath and Retribution. The smite bonder does all the damage, all you do is tank.

The base build is the same for all X/Mo classes - just take a class specific elite if you don't like SoJ. For a Rit, use the Prot skills listed and take VwK, Protective Spirit, Spirit Bond, Balthazar's Spirit, Essence Bond, Life Attunement, Vital Blessing.

You can run at any AL but low AL returns more damage. Protective Spirit is optional if you take Symbiosis and Life Barrier.

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Originally Posted by ibex333

Don't no one be tellin' me this s*it is fast.

Easy? HELL YES. Fast? No.

Repetitive? Yes. Boring? Yes. Fast? HELL YES.

From Survivor to Legendary Survivor can be done in 8 hours. There are screenies in this thread of 15 hour titles from character creation. There's even a 10 hour screenshot - i'm guessing that was done somewhere else...somewhere they're keeping to themselves

Looks like Dajkah Inlet.

Take XP scrolls, you can even use Rampager's for 2xXP. Each run should take max 90 secs including the enchants setup. 40 runs per hour including zoning, running & setup is possible. If you doubt it watch the videos. They're 90 secs max including skylarking.

If you're packing a pair of big old brassy ones, you could do the title at The Marketplace in 5 hours (from lvl20) by using Hunter's scrolls, continuing the run into Wajjun Bazaar and taking out the first 36 Jades within 5 mins. Much higher risk therefore i wouldn't do it on a survivor, but still doable for over 200K XP / hour

Less risky is the first 20 in 3 mins (10500XP with Hunter's), including the ele boss Lian, Dragon's Petal - it's the Survivor run i'll be doing from now on. Not quite so repetitive, can be done with one bonder with a chance of Elite Ele tomes and a green drop.

Antithesis · Jun 10, 2007, 01:11 AM // 01:11

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Originally Posted by black_mamba

Solo margonites FTW

36 hours...nuff said

Antithesis · Jun 10, 2007, 01:29 AM // 01:29

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Originally Posted by Ataneruo

I used to think the Survivor title was cool, and was looking for tips to keep my Indomitable Survivor Dervish alive longer with more XP gain. Then I read this and discovered you can get Legendary Survivor in under 10 hours. Now I consider Survivor a pretty sucky title track.

Boo hoo...no-one knows nor cares how we get our titles.

In my case I couldn't get Survivor on my title hunter because he's two years old and pre-dates the title. Running through the game for the umpteenth time to quest'n'cap one title is incredibly boring and a waste of time when you've done it all before. So i decided to find a way to fast-track Legendary Survivor on a new character if only for the Hall of Monuments bonus you'll get in GW2, not the e-peen you get from showing off your title.

If you'd prefer to stand on your soapbox and disparage those who achieve the title via alternate pathways that's your prerogative...but this is a FARMING forum so take your moral highground to Riverside.

My Green Storage · Jun 10, 2007, 04:00 AM // 04:00

I was thinking about making a new Rit for the hell of it to get Legendary Survivor (I won't since, well, here's no point) but get through starter island factions, get to Nightfall, run to the sunspear great hall, put it on hard mode and VwK the spiders and Hassin Softskins group.

204xp per spider kill, 600(?) for Hassin Softskin. There's about 15 enemies.

15x204 -- 3k xp for about 5 minutes work. One Hour - 36,000xp per hour

Throw in scrolls

Legendary Survivor - 1,337,500 / 36k = 37 hours

Throw in scrolls. Probably around 32 hours + however long it takes you to get to Nightfall (What, maybe 5-8 hours to play through starter factions casually?)

Just a thought instead of using a hero and splitting the XP.

Antithesis · Jun 10, 2007, 12:01 PM // 12:01

You don't split the XP - heroes are always outside your agro circle

I've just updated the guide too. Please review the OP. Template codes and more Youtube videos to come

kaply · Jun 10, 2007, 12:41 PM // 12:41

After having dealt with a lot of spikes along the way for a cantha character, I think the best suggestion is for your character to sacrifice damage and get points into protection and buy the spell, protective spirit, as soon as possible. Put points into protection depending on how often you want to cast the spell. Consequently you can also purchase superior runes to get you a few extra points, just don't bring yourself too low in case you have to deal with degen and life steal.

For Nightfall characters, it's even easier to get to the marketplace. Get a run to the docks ~500g and then see if you can find a run to LA (you can get the quest to Kaineng Center from LA but you can't get the quest to LA from Kaineng Center. Also be aware that you do want to at least have your secondary if you aren't a monk. Just be aware that all your characters have very few skill points if you go there early so your spells aren't going to be that strong. Take along extra healing and make sure to have symbiosis (note that Koss can cast this spell with a ranger sub which allows you to allocate a decent amount of points into beast mastery).

Also for the builds, it would be better to swap balthazar's aura onto the smite bonder and have your main with life attunement instead since your main will have max Prot. Depending on how important life barrier is, you could potentially have more points into beast mastery for even more hp. Shielding hands is also a good spell to have depending on whether or not you use symbiosis. It will give you an extra second or so if you mess up your spells if your hps are in the normal range.

One more note is that your smite bonder's stats aren't at level 15.

Antithesis · Jun 10, 2007, 01:39 PM // 13:39

Thanks Kaply - stats corrected, Life Attunement moved back to main char and Balthazar's Aura moved back to the bonder.

I've been mucking around with a longer run and lvl20 heroes -Prot was higher than Smite, hence the skill swap

Antithesis · Jun 10, 2007, 01:44 PM // 13:44

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Originally Posted by kaply

For Nightfall characters, it's even easier to get to the marketplace. Get a run to the docks ~500g and then see if you can find a run to LA (you can get the quest to Kaineng Center from LA but you can't get the quest to LA from Kaineng Center. Also be aware that you do want to at least have your secondary if you aren't a monk.

By not completing the Istan quests you only end up with one monk bonder, and a weak one at that. Better to get both Tahlkora and Dunkoro - they should be about lvl 15 by the time you get to The Marketplace.

ibex333 · Jun 10, 2007, 02:43 PM // 14:43

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

Less risky is the first 20 in 3 mins (10500XP with Hunter's), including the ele boss Lian, Dragon's Petal - it's the Survivor run i'll be doing from now on. Not quite so repetitive, can be done with one bonder with a chance of Elite Ele tomes and a green drop.

First 20?! I only do first 6! Isnt it too risky to do first 20? And the ele boss? Whoa... Well maybe if I did first 20, I'd get r3 a lot faster....

EDIT: Thanx for updating the guide. The grind is going faster now... "Only" 89 runs to go

lol

kaply · Jun 10, 2007, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

By not completing the Istan quests you only end up with one monk bonder, and a weak one at that. Better to get both Tahlkora and Dunkoro - they should be about lvl 15 by the time you get to The Marketplace.

Well, you can do the quests up until you get Dunkoro which is rather short. Thus you'll have two heroes to help you out, Koss and Dunkoro. Dunkoro would have the smite bonder build using superior smite rune. Koss would have symbiosis and whatever else you want to toss on him. The key spells can all be covered. Also leveling Dunkoro to level 15 is a lot easier once you yourself are higher level. All I use Dunkoro for is damage. Just because he does a bit less damage doesn't really destroy the build, just slows it down a bit.

If you really want a second four pip hero you can get Meloni and have her sub monk which is almost the same as Tahlkora, just without the ability to use monk runes. It also saves you the trip to Jokanur Diggings and also to the keys. I find the necro mobs there with their death swarm to be quite deadly if you don't have high level armor and/or protective spirit.

Antithesis · Jun 10, 2007, 11:09 PM // 23:09

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Originally Posted by ibex333

First 20?! I only do first 6! Isnt it too risky to do first 20? And the ele boss? Whoa... Well maybe if I did first 20, I'd get r3 a lot faster....

I"ll post a run so you can judge the risk for yourself. It's surprising how little damage you take even from the Jade Mages.

The only dodgy part is placing Symbiosis in the correct spot and flagging heroes away an appropriate distance.

Antithesis · Jun 10, 2007, 11:12 PM // 23:12

What level do you and the heroes have when you arrive at Kaineng? If it's still viable i'll update the guide.

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Originally Posted by kaply

It also saves you the trip to Jokanur Diggings and also to the keys. I find the necro mobs there with their death swarm to be quite deadly if you don't have high level armor and/or protective spirit.

QFT. I forgot i was running around in max armour.

kaply · Jun 11, 2007, 12:23 AM // 00:23

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

What level do you and the heroes have when you arrive at Kaineng? If it's still viable i'll update the guide.

You have to have at least level 5 to get Dunkoro, the main quest requires you to reach level 5 to do the secondary before you can continue. I would use Koss as a bonder in the early levels with mending and watchful spirit and basically solo everything I had the bounty for.

I think you also have to have one of the sunspear ranks to get Dunkoro as well. I believe I usually get Dunkoro around level 7. Definitely dangerous at that level even with Koss as a symbiosis hero. As a Derv main at that level this is the build I would run at that level. I would also try to stick as close to 600 hps as possible but that was based upon a false assumption and I haven't had a chance to try it again. It's doable and once you get started you'll just steadily get stronger. Around level 14 or so I would start leveling Dunkoro up a bit to get him more points into smite. Around level 20 I would get Dunkoro up to level 14 or 15 so that he can max out smite.

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Is the derv build I found that works the best, however the healing might not be as necessary if you have a bonder with life barrier.

bored-.-bored · Jun 11, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15

Could some1 show me this so i dont do wrong and no were groups are

kaply · Jun 11, 2007, 02:43 PM // 14:43

Well, I finally sat down and forced myself to stick to this area for the full duration and finally got a Rt with the title. The reason my other characters failed with the title was because I kept going to the Ice Caves area to kill minotaurs on hard mode. This way I could use the 10 minute scrolls to save some plats. This resulted in various types of deaths.

1 - Messing around with symbiosis on a large area that requires traveling to multiple groups. Resulted in me getting agro without symbiosis up. Not a pretty sight.
2 - learning the patrols for the minotaurs. My bonder got smushed from behind. Then they killed the symbiosis and of course my hp dropped to 1 when that died.
3 - running out of symbiosis range to pull and then getting rubber banded back to the pack of minotaurs that I just pulled.
4 - being overrun by 8 minotaurs at once. Healing that much damage is hard.
5 - deciding to go after a chest while trying to keep all the necessary spells up... yeah I'm not that great at multi tasking.

I think this area is viable, just not with symbiosis. The drops can be good if you get some gold weapon drops, but mostly it's a lot of collector junk, minotaur hides never have any runes in them. There's a chance of a minotaur boss although he's never dropped anything good. There's also some treasure chests that can spawn along the way. I think in terms of time it's slightly slower since they give less xp but not having to zone and cast all the bonds puts it pretty even.

bryann380 · Jun 11, 2007, 03:04 PM // 15:04

<skips most of posts>

My spear assassin got her LS title by actually playing the game, doing missions/quests with occasional scrolls. Before the last Double Exp Skill Capture weekend we had, my experience was already around 670,000 or so. The skill captures got me the remaining exp for the title.

But that's just me.

Antithesis · Jun 11, 2007, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by bored-.-bored

Could some1 show me this so i dont do wrong and no were groups are

If you're unsure about the run, try it first with a non-survivor character.
There are videos in the OP for Mo/N, N/Mo, E/Mo and W/Mo...the principles are the same for all X/Mo classes. I've uploaded them all here. I'll post moderate and hard runs later in the week.