Curse

Coney · Apr 11, 2009, 04:49 AM // 04:49

HM. So I was thinking about what might be faster for an assn. Maybe there's already a post about this, but I overheard someone saying they ran an A/D build.

So, I came up with the following using the para hero runner, and it kills off all 33 (not boss), but I die too LOL!!! Heh, anyways, I was just messing around, didn't even bother using a scythe ([sand shards] looks real promising) - just the std 20% ench staff.
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Hero runs 33% to cave entrance, casts [quickening zephyr], then flagged to death.

I run into range, [shadow form], then aggro, 23456, then when [shadow form] up again, 781. LOL, good for a laugh, they all die just after me.Very fast run tho (way better than perma sliver), and certainly could be modded with self heal enchants (and [sand shards]) to provide something better. I'm just burnt out now...

Covah · Apr 11, 2009, 06:21 AM // 06:21

too much work. I'd rather just use the normal perma sliver and kill everything + boss in 2:15.

Coney · Apr 12, 2009, 01:15 AM // 01:15

New build, ~100% effective (all but boss - my asura rank is 8, not sure how high it needs to be):
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Last 3 skills are not really that necessary, but for healing and running away from boss at the end.

Same as before, para hero runs you 33% to cave entrance (3,4), casts qz (8), speed buffs you (1,2), then flagged to die.

Enter cave, cast [shadow form], gather all raptors to the boss. When boss group aggro'd, pull them out of alcove to northwest wall of entrance (not absolutely necessary, but somewhat prevents scatter)recast [shadow form], then [radiation field], slight pause, [aura of thorns], [pious fury], [viper's defense]. Now just run eastward until they're all dead, and boss has settled back into far west alcove.

So, can someone come up something to use for last 3 skill slots to kill boss? I think it's possible, but no success yet (tried dagger mastery and asuran scan with no luck) I suspect if your asura rank is too low, something like [eternal aura] or [dust cloak] could be inserted for that slight pause...

EDIT: updated build to A/Ra (trap cripple/bleed for dervish ones). Used 7 H/H to buff my run speed, stall those roaming raptors (park H/H just south of res shrine) so I could drop nature rituals, and used following build:
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Just outside cave 7,8,1, target boss - aggro all, pull close enough to nature rituals, then 1,2,3,4,5,6 - wait (auto-attack boss, 6 again) - all dead but boss at 20% - 1 again...
Kills em all, but boss still standing with about 20% life... GRRRRRRRRR!!!

enabler · Apr 16, 2009, 11:51 AM // 11:51

What about dropping qz and putting it back on the hero (as in your original post) and trying some other pve skill for boss. You would be able to have a 12-11-6 attribute split to make EoE more powerful. I'm thinking of Asura Scan (if that can boost the damage of EoE) or You move like a dwarf or Finish Him. Ideally if it is a spike skill, it would be one you can use twice.

If that doesn't work, then what about your runner hero being a ranger with EoE and the running shouts? Attribute distribution something like 12 command - 11 (15) Beast mastery - 6 (9) expertise. It definately would not be as fast, but if you are missing 20% then going from 40 EoE damage a pop to 50 EoE damage may be the difference.

Coney · Jun 06, 2009, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by enabler

What about dropping qz and putting it back on the hero (as in your original post) and trying some other pve skill for boss. You would be able to have a 12-11-6 attribute split to make EoE more powerful. I'm thinking of Asura Scan (if that can boost the damage of EoE) or You move like a dwarf or Finish Him. Ideally if it is a spike skill, it would be one you can use twice.

If that doesn't work, then what about your runner hero being a ranger with EoE and the running shouts? Attribute distribution something like 12 command - 11 (15) Beast mastery - 6 (9) expertise. It definately would not be as fast, but if you are missing 20% then going from 40 EoE damage a pop to 50 EoE damage may be the difference.

I finally got it to work with a ranger instead of paragon (beast mastery 16 EoE), but it was painful flagging the H/H and hoping they'd hold off the roaming raptors long enough from EoE, while simultaneously being out of range...

Another A/E fire build beats this A/D build, but suffers the same non-boss kill problem. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10378715

So, I spent some time, and came up with a hybrid A/E build using the vanilla paragon runner with QZ. So far it works pretty well, giving me 1:40 resign-to-resign raptor farm times on my assn, and kills all 34 raptors+boss. The hybrid part is it starts by slivering boss, then converts to the degen/AOE aspect. You basically have to wait an extra 5 seconds for QZ, and 20 seconds for the degen, which is a lot better than the painful 2:20+ sliver times my assn used to get (on 28-30 max raptors)

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Same as before, use para to run you to cave entrance, drop a QZ, then buff 33% run speed and send to die. Enter cave, put on [shadow form], round up all to boss, then [shadow form] (thx QZ!), [ebon battle standard of honor], [sliver armor], [air of superiority]. Try to slip in a free [aftershock] if possible. Once boss dies, then (EBSoH?) [radiation field], [meteor], [aftershock], and [viper's defense] (SF/AoS?). They scatter so [sliver armor] is pointless, but put it up if mana...

Would be nice to get another AOE degen on them, to max it at -10 (currently -7 from disease and poison).

EDIT: [black powder mine] works well substituted for EBSoH - shaves about 5-10 seconds. Just don't do more than 1 AOE attack every 2-3+ seconds (scatter)...

Spiritz · Jun 07, 2009, 02:24 AM // 02:24

A/E shud be able to do raptors in hm on avg between 1.30 and 2 mins if all goes well - also having high asuran helps alot.
i use a normal a/e perma sliver build with gole , eboh , sliver , rad field and aos .
works fine for me and others i know who uses same build