Curse

GW Karasu · Jun 05, 2009, 02:52 PM // 14:52

A lot of repeatable quests award XP. A lot of repeatable quests only require an item. An example of these is the Temple of The Damned quest from CoF.

A simple and cheap thing for survivors, since other toons do not need that experience. I suggest making a new trade - give the item to the survivor for (gold reward) + (xp reward * gold / xp value) gold.

Example: Exquisite Surmia Carving from CoF rewards 1.5k + 7.500 xp. A survivor pays 2.250k and spends 750g for 7.500 xp. The rate I used is 10 xp per gold, which is double of what you get from SoC.

What do you think of the idea? It will help out both survivors and CoF runners for a reasonable price.

The following items are possible ( i think ):
* CoF: Exquisite Surmia Carving : 7500xp+1.5k
* Kathandrax: Kathandrax's Crusher: 7500xp+1.5k
* Ooze Pit: Prismatic Gelatinous Material: 5000xp+1.25k
* Bloodstone Caves: Spectral Crystal: 2500xp+500g
* ... ?

Tom Swift · Jun 05, 2009, 03:43 PM // 15:43

CoF won't work. You have to have the quest, completed the quest and turned in the item to get the reward. Once you turn in one, the quest disappears and you cant turn in another without going through the whole quest again. So there would be no reason for the one char to give the item to a char of lesser xp who was in the party. Nor could one char finish the quest and then give the item to another char who has not since you have to have actually completed the quest to turn the item in. that's why you don't see people selling the items - because they are useless without actually doing the quest, in which case you are going to get one anyway.

I suspect Kathandrax would have the same problem. I don't know about the others.

Ooze pit might be different since you can actually pick up the quest and turn in the prismatic material after the quest is done.

FengShuiDove · Jun 05, 2009, 03:50 PM // 15:50

Yeah but having a guildie/alliance member that you trust do the run for you with minimal other party members nets you the full benefit of the kills during the dungeon/quest plus merchant goodies plus end rewards. It's overall more beneficial in pretty much every way.

Finding someone who can run you with just one hero, the runner, and shouldn't be hard if you perhaps pay that person some of your bounty from farming the dungeon several times. I was wondering myself how much experience you get from a CoF run a few days ago during the Murakai Z-Bounty. It's probably nowhere near as fast as boxing with scrolls, but it's safer and can make you some money/multiple rep points in the process.

Little Girl Monk · Jun 05, 2009, 04:01 PM // 16:01

Keg farming is the way to go. Recall the kegger jump in jump out done. like 21k exp or something with 250% scroll each run. I don't remember exact math but yea

Unknown Duli · Jun 05, 2009, 05:03 PM // 17:03

actually it does work with Kath, u turn the hammer in for reward-zone into dungeon then zone back out retake quest then turn in another hammer. Should be the same with cof but never tried it.

Overall hiring/running a keg sin for survivor is the fastest and cheapest.

GW Karasu · Jun 05, 2009, 05:18 PM // 17:18

Nono.. Lord Diviner is correct. And I got the idea from him too. If you have the quest and someone else gives you the hammer (from their completion), you will be able to finish the quest without having to beat the dungeon.

Say - a survivor buys 10 hammers for a small increase in price - he will get 75 000 experience without having to risk or do ANYTHING. This is guaranteed faster then any other method. If the price is right one can max the title for 20k or so.

FYI: Vaettir is 9000 xp * scroll (considering you are with two)

Spiritz · Jun 05, 2009, 05:41 PM // 17:41

im very confused as 2 places are mentioned - you get a carving not hammer from cof - just so ppl dont get confused as post states cof.
I would suggest someone actually tests and verifies the other places otherwise theres gonna be a lot of angry replies and flaming which is worth avoiding.
Also if this is workable then you face a new problem - once common knollege do you think ppl are gonna charge low prices for the carvings - i dont.
price for run say 2k then whats to stop ppl charging 5k for carvings as they will have a use that can be exploited for high prices.
If you think that wont happen - take gloom seeds from other week - usually dirt cheap till nick wanted them and suddenly they were worth a few k each - also if an item costs 2k and u need 2 how comes ppl want on avg 7k a present - 2x2 = 4 so they make 3k profit on top.
As soon as you have a use for an item its value increases hugely as ppl will want them.
So this can either end up helpin survivors or putting them off due to the money needed but thats just my opinion.

Covah · Jun 05, 2009, 08:05 PM // 20:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by GW Karasu

Say - a survivor buys 10 hammers for a small increase in price - he will get 75 000 experience without having to risk or do ANYTHING. This is guaranteed faster then any other method. If the price is right one can max the title for 20k or so.

FYI: Vaettir is 9000 xp * scroll (considering you are with two)

You can't trade those items. The ones that don't say Quest Item disappear when you leave the dungeon and the others you can't trade since you have to do the dungeon and get the item. You're not getting it. And Vaettir HM (cuz 60 spawn in HM) is 750exp per (with two people its 375exp) X60 =45kexp or 22.5k exp with 2 people EVERY 2 MINUTES. Will take you about 50 runs from lvl20 to get survivor.

Helix Dreadlock · Jun 05, 2009, 08:11 PM // 20:11

Imo, I wouldn't suggest it. Survivor was a good and highly prestigious title in Prof. Now that sins are out, and the games are expanding, more exploits, ect. The title has been worn out. Once and a while you would see someone in LA with tier 1! Now it's EXTREMELY common to see tier3 survivor. It just isn't the same. It's kind've worn out it's use and it doesn't say "I've worked hard" it says "I grind a lot".

Don Ico · Jun 05, 2009, 08:15 PM // 20:15

CoF doesn't work...I've tried it. To finish the quest you can't just turn in an Equisite Carving, you also have to kill Murakai. So you can't just farm the carvings on one character then give them to another and have him just continuously turn carvings in.

GW Karasu · Jun 05, 2009, 08:33 PM // 20:33

@ Covah : my stats were without scrolls - and ofc vaettir is fast and easy, but it involves a lot more then just rezoning and talking to a guy
@ Don Ico : owkay.. theory fails. Try Kathandrax? That one should definitly work.

Unknown Duli · Jun 05, 2009, 11:00 PM // 23:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Covah

You can't trade those items. The ones that don't say Quest Item disappear when you leave the dungeon and the others you can't trade since you have to do the dungeon and get the item. You're not getting it. And Vaettir HM (cuz 60 spawn in HM) is 750exp per (with two people its 375exp) X60 =45kexp or 22.5k exp with 2 people EVERY 2 MINUTES. Will take you about 50 runs from lvl20 to get survivor.

Actually the hammers of Kath you can trade, I know Ive done it and have about 20 in storage....

Though back to my origional post above, I still believe that kegging is the fastest and easiest way to go.

Puebert · Jun 06, 2009, 03:56 AM // 03:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helix Dreadlock

Imo, I wouldn't suggest it. Survivor was a good and highly prestigious title in Prof. Now that sins are out, and the games are expanding, more exploits, ect. The title has been worn out. Once and a while you would see someone in LA with tier 1! Now it's EXTREMELY common to see tier3 survivor. It just isn't the same. It's kind've worn out it's use and it doesn't say "I've worked hard" it says "I grind a lot".

...Titles were added after Faction's release.

Teysar kitait · Jun 07, 2009, 03:55 PM // 15:55

rather than buying the carvings from CoF, why not just spend 2k on a hm run? chance for golds from the end chest and it doesn't take too long, and you still get the exp.

GW Karasu · Jun 07, 2009, 05:57 PM // 17:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teysar kitait

rather than buying the carvings from CoF, why not just spend 2k on a hm run? chance for golds from the end chest and it doesn't take too long, and you still get the exp.

As I am currently tired of saying: This method is just an "extra" method. Safe and instant. Consider your normal character doing one of those dungeons mentioned. Instead of just getting the reward - give it to a survivor for equal value (the same reward as the quest - maybe a bit extra). That survivor will happily cash in a nearly free and safe 7500 xp.

DarkGanni · Jun 09, 2009, 02:08 AM // 02:08

* CoF: Exquisite Surmia Carving : 7500xp+1.5k - Not Possible
* Kathandrax: Kathandrax's Crusher: 7500xp+1.5k - Possible
* Ooze Pit: Prismatic Gelatinous Material: 5000xp+1.25k - Possible
* Bloodstone Caves: Spectral Crystal: 2500xp+500g - Not sure

Bloodstone quest details (from wiki):

Summary

1. Defeat the Eldritch Ettin.
2. Retrieve the spectral crystal.
3. Return the spectral crystal to Saerin for a reward.

From the quest summary my best guess is you have to kill the ettin in order to hand in each crystal (like CoF).

Teysar kitait · Jun 11, 2009, 10:48 AM // 10:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by GW Karasu

As I am currently tired of saying: This method is just an "extra" method. Safe and instant. Consider your normal character doing one of those dungeons mentioned. Instead of just getting the reward - give it to a survivor for equal value (the same reward as the quest - maybe a bit extra). That survivor will happily cash in a nearly free and safe 7500 xp.

my apologies for the misunderstanding

guess i had better get my monk out for 600ing ooze pit i think

and get my derv to doomlore >.<