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Koning · Aug 14, 2008, 08:18 AM // 08:18

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

A decent build that will generally work, but it seems a bit "old", there are more optimal skill choices since various updates. Most glaring is Foul Feast, there's a few places where blind can get covered on the para and FF is too good not to run if you have a necro anyway. Since you have two paras, you can chain TNTF, you might say that's overkill but it has to save more monk energy than lyric of zeal- likely the build was thought up back when one para could maintain TNTF. I suppose there's plenty more minor stuff that could be argued but w/e. Basic point is get out your physicals because orders rocks.

Actually, if you have an essence of celerity your TNTF recharges in 15 seconds, with an uptime of 10 seconds. It's not really needed to give the 2nd para another TNTF, as you only risk shouting it before the other version has ended, thus missing a nice party heal.

If you run without consumables, yes than it is a good option to give the Cruel TNTF.

About the blind thing, at first I thought it could be a real killer. But after running DoA a couple of times, it's wasn't as bad as I thought. Just kill rage titans first (than they most likely don't get off an eruption), and blind from the dementia titans only lasts like 2 seconds with a rune of clarity and a -20% blind shield (it can easily be prevented anyway if you just don't stand next to them

).
Hexes are the bigger problem thats why having another hex removal on the necro is generally better than FF.

Lyynyyrd · Aug 14, 2008, 09:02 AM // 09:02

6+1 Command/leadership (get a req7 15 AL shield, otherwise don’t meet req’s)

TYPO on the SY! Paragon, that should actually be Command/Motivation.

bsoltan · Aug 14, 2008, 10:01 AM // 10:01

Exactly the kind of build I've been looking for. Is it viable with heroes, or are a lot of the PvE skills very important? The key one is obviously the SY! Paragon. I suppose it will be slower but hopefully still possible.

xDusT II · Aug 14, 2008, 10:19 AM // 10:19

Always wanted to do DoA non-ursan.

If anyone is running something similar, give me a shout if you need a monk, Paragon or Ele.

Richardt · Aug 14, 2008, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by ALF71BE

Sorry my complete ignorance, I've never done anything besides 600/smite/Famine in Foundry/City, but what about [lightbringer's gaze]?

There's pros and cons to this. First LB gaze doesn't do the full 100 damage-but it does interupt and has a nice AoE effect.

But YMLAD is armor ignoring and has a KD to boot-at rank 7 LB I'm doing 108 damage to a Margo, which is more than then I get from LB gaze on a single target. It is a higher energy, but has a faster recharge-and for the para roles, you can pretty much just spam it.

Chrono Re delle Ere · Aug 14, 2008, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by bsoltan

I suppose it will be slower but hopefully still possible.

I'ts not slower than ursan, actually it can be faster if used properly with a coordinated team.

dark_slayer · Aug 16, 2008, 06:31 AM // 06:31

Looks good!
I would love to try this but unfortunately I lack the team of dedicated people to do it, ive been looking for a new guild to do stuff like this with, but i havent had any luck.

If anyone needs an experienced player to do team builds like this, hit me up
ign, O No Not The Face

Akolo · Aug 19, 2008, 08:38 PM // 20:38

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/g...wd/gw354-1.jpg

recently made a new run, didnt focus that much to go uberly fast, 1 hour 53 minute , so thats faster than most ursan teams.

dark_slayer · Aug 19, 2008, 09:44 PM // 21:44

O snap, thats fast. that must have been fun as hell.

Nature Loves Me · Aug 20, 2008, 09:35 PM // 21:35

Posted this on wiki seeing as you want to see this widely used(I would too). Made sure all credit went to your guild. Re-worde some things to make them more concise.

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Te...Fast_Full_Runs

Koning · Aug 21, 2008, 04:19 PM // 16:19

Nice, yes we can only hope this becomes popular, I would love to see

Our last run 1.53 was very nice, and we can do it faster, maybe get down to 1.30? :P I'm linking in on front page btw.

Akolo · Aug 21, 2008, 05:48 PM // 17:48

yea the 1:53 wasnt even a record try, just for the giggles :P
and yea thanks for "pvxing" it :P

Joe Fierce · Aug 21, 2008, 06:02 PM // 18:02

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Originally Posted by Koning

Nice, yes we can only hope this becomes popular,

Not just this build but any well working build, problem is though, it probably wont because now that ursans gone, no one pugs, and the other problem is, this build requires a minor amount of thought, minor amounts of thought require a brain, rarely do I meet a pug with a brain.

gerg-nad · Aug 21, 2008, 06:16 PM // 18:16

For the warrier, if you us a sword instead of an Axe I think the following may be close:

[build prof=W/Rt Str=13 Swo=14]["You Move Like a Dwarf!"][Standing Slash][Dragon Slash][Body Blow][Whirlwind Attack]["For Great Justice!"][Drunken Master][Death Pact Signet][/build]

Or something like this as well
[build prof=W/Rt Str=13 Swo=14]["You Move Like a Dwarf!"][Silverwing Slash][Dragon Slash][Body Blow][Whirlwind Attack]["For Great Justice!"][Flail][Death Pact Signet][/build]

Richardt · Aug 21, 2008, 07:20 PM // 19:20

For a sword warrior, I'd say something like this:

[you move like a dwarf][dragon slash][brawling headbutt][steelfang slash][flail][lightbringer signet][for great justice][death pact signet]

Take advantage of [[lightbringer signet] no longer being elite and pump up your adrenaline and just spam DSlash at will. Additionally, you could drop Brawling in favor of whirlwind.

Nature Loves Me · Aug 21, 2008, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Can you clarify something for me? Do the paragon's(Besides the SY) use Drunken Master or Aggressive? ~~~~

EDIT: Feel free to edit the wiki page and change any of the skills if I screwed up on something.
And I noticed I used ~~~~ Lol. I forgot I'm not on wiki >_<

Koning · Aug 21, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nature Loves Me

Can you clarify something for me? Do the paragon's(Besides the SY) use Drunken Master or Aggressive? ~~~~

EDIT: Feel free to edit the wiki page and change any of the skills if I screwed up on something.
And I noticed I used ~~~~ Lol. I forgot I'm not on wiki >_<

The cruel spear paragon uses drunken master, as he only has 1 other pve skills that are 'needed'. The SY paragon has 3 more important PvE skills, so he brings agressive refrain. The pics are wrong and still need to be updated, but I'm lazy :P

Richardt · Aug 21, 2008, 08:51 PM // 20:51

If you're under the effects of a conset, either or will work. IAS caps out at 33%. If there is a nice PvE skill you want to take, use Aggressive.

If you're not using a conset, then use Aggressive for sure.

gerg-nad · Aug 21, 2008, 11:35 PM // 23:35

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Originally Posted by Richardt

For a sword warrior, I'd say something like this:

[you move like a dwarf][dragon slash][brawling headbutt][steelfang slash][flail][lightbringer signet][for great justice][death pact signet]

Take advantage of [[lightbringer signet] no longer being elite and pump up your adrenaline and just spam DSlash at will. Additionally, you could drop Brawling in favor of whirlwind.

I think this would work fine. I was thinking LB signet too, but have had little trouble building adrenaline with DSlash and Flail, but ti could be good. I might even consider SY on this build where you could likely keep SY up nearly all the time between W and P.

gerg-nad · Aug 21, 2008, 11:38 PM // 23:38

Has anyone used this team to beat Mallyx. I think this team build may have a problem with Mallyx, since it relies on some Hex and Enchants. Likely the 19 groups ahead ot mallyx may not be a issue.