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Bright Star Shine · Feb 01, 2011, 03:14 PM // 15:14

Ok, this is gonna be a weird thread, and I actually just want some people to help me out with this..

I got this funky theory from chestrunning a while.

We all know the +10vDemons hype, because new people are starting to tank in DoA and they all want a purdy shield with +10vDemons -2wE, but these are a bitch to find, especially since Volo currently owns about 1/4 of all of those shields in game.. But it's because of Volo that this theory started to look more and more appealing to me. Volo has a bunch of shields, but he once told me that the Celestial variants are very easy to find, in fact he owned a req something before, and then he bought a q8 one, just because, well q8 is way cooler

But this implied that celestial variants of the shields drop a lot more than others.. This isn't my theory, but it has to do with it..

I've been running vermin a lot lately, and with lately, I mean, I started last friday, and I did ~500 chests so far. Out of these 500 chests I got the following:

In fact, there is a picture missing: I merched a q9 str +9vDemons singlemod celestial shield last night, so that adds up to 5 specimens.

5 examples in 500 chests? Either this is the biggest coincidence I have ever seen in GW, or these chests at the vermin have a high probability to drop +10vDemons stuff..

Why post it on here, and not in chestrunner thread? Well, don't wanna highjack it with some funky theory of mine..

Why post it at all? Well, if anyone else is working on their chestrunner title, and wants to do something different once in a while, or someone is just interested in this as well, it'd be cool if other people would do this chestrun to see if I'm completely seeing things or that it could actually be that that chest has a higher concentration of these drops.

Also Yawg, it's be appreciated if you could explain to me why my theory makes no sense at all

(Or that it does

)

The build I use is this one: OwJSg5PTTQ/a0k6M3lHQIQ4O and I use full Saboteur's armor with a +10vSlashing shield, trust me, you'll need it, with 25 vermin slashing you in HM, you'll be happy to have the armor and stuff. Also, a golden tip: never aggro the boss without having SF up, Seeping Wound will kill you, I've survived Seeping a couple times, but don't hope for it, I was lucky

God Amongst Many Mortals · Feb 01, 2011, 05:01 PM // 17:01

Hmmm it seems you havent compared your results with others but it may well be true that celestials are most likely to be modded with +10vs demons. try chest farming somwhere else. Or farm similar types of things eg. Lux assasin fac-Boreas seabed. but you may be onto somthing. Not sure what the MODs go for but they seem rare so I would keep em and see how it goes! Good Luck and I would like to see the final result!

GwamM

Also If any1 knows where I can get a signature greatly helpfull!

Bright Star Shine · Feb 01, 2011, 05:13 PM // 17:13

Actually, yes I have, I've run chests all over cantha, including: Pongmei Valley, Silent Surf, Rhea's Crater, Bukdek Byway, Melandru's Hope, Xaquang Skyway, Nahpui Quarter (Mission) and the only place I got a +10vDemons, every, at over 3000 chests, is in Xaquang.. Although I haven't run a lot in Nahpui itself, because that's an even tougher chestrun, and yields less chests than Xaquang..

Reformed · Feb 01, 2011, 05:14 PM // 17:14

It means absolutely nothing, try running a few thousand in various areas and you'll see there are a wide range of +AR vs. species that come as drops. Ask anyone who has farmed Dragon Moss for an extended period in fact.

God Amongst Many Mortals · Feb 01, 2011, 06:08 PM // 18:08

Might be true but it might not....what does a +10vs Demons go for?

Calista Blackblood · Feb 01, 2011, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by God Amongst Many Mortals

Hmmm it seems you havent compared your results with others but it may well be true that celestials are most likely to be modded with +10vs demons. try chest farming somwhere else. Or farm similar types of things eg. Lux assasin fac-Boreas seabed. but you may be onto somthing. Not sure what the MODs go for but they seem rare so I would keep em and see how it goes! Good Luck and I would like to see the final result!

GwamM

Also If any1 knows where I can get a signature greatly helpfull!

Signatures and a couple of other options are only available to paid subscription users or moderators/smods/admins. The subscription system is in limbo currently since the switch to Curse.

I'm sure there will be notices when the feature is available again.

Lithril Ashwalker · Feb 01, 2011, 07:17 PM // 19:17

hell dont know why your doing vermin famr. Mantid famring in Wajuun Bazaar is far faster. easier too. ill post link for build and vid.

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:A/R_S...on_Mantid_Farm
posted it a while ago, people seem to really like it so...try it, i myself have to post some relevance to this thread. so here goes: celestial weapons DO indeed have higher drop rates of demon vs mods
as well as it being in canthan ...canthan drops more demonslaying and armor vs species than any other campaign.

Reformed · Feb 01, 2011, 07:32 PM // 19:32

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Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

celestial weapons DO indeed have higher drop rates of demon vs mods

Where's the proof? This would be the rough equivalent of saying things in the Echovald drop pruning/plants mods more often than anywhere else without substantiating the claim.

DigitalFear · Feb 01, 2011, 07:46 PM // 19:46

Luck/coincidence. Mod generation is completely random.

Chrisworld · Feb 01, 2011, 10:08 PM // 22:08

The only thing that would make it more interesting is if you did a little more logging. What I mean by this, is, if you literally wrote down/typed in on a spread sheet, the stuff you got from each run. And then see if there is a pattern to when these items drop from the chests. Then you could get a little research going on. Otherwise, as stated above, drops and mods are totally random.

I could probably go into the game right now after a long break and get a perfect +10 demon, 16 AR q9 shield in one or two runs, then again you never know. It's random as far as we know right now.

Bright Star Shine · Feb 02, 2011, 12:17 AM // 00:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

hell dont know why your doing vermin famr. Mantid famring in Wajuun Bazaar is far faster. easier too. ill post link for build and vid.

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:A/R_S...on_Mantid_Farm
posted it a while ago, people seem to really like it so...try it, i myself have to post some relevance to this thread. so here goes: celestial weapons DO indeed have higher drop rates of demon vs mods
as well as it being in canthan ...canthan drops more demonslaying and armor vs species than any other campaign.

Ain't farming, I am chestrunning^^ Btw, if you're still looking for unid celestials for the event (which I think you said stopped doing) give me a pm, I think you could have all my bows and high req stuff, those won't yield any money anyway^^

And, recording every drop wouldn't be worth the effort, but I am keeping track of howmany I get, and I got 5 so far on (by now) ~650 chests. Whilst on ~1500-2000 chests over the other parts of cantha: 0. Not even singlemods, or +9's. This does not prove anything indeed, nor did I ever say this thread proves anything. It's just my theory, and my findings, and apparently Lithril found the same..

The Mountain · Feb 02, 2011, 01:04 AM // 01:04

I found the same, too, from chest-running for celestial items (although I do it in the Temple). The only +10 vs species celestials I found were demons, dragons, and ogres (maybe a plant or two, I don't recall).

Not only do I support the theory that these +10 vs mods apply more to items in some areas, but I had accepted as fact after being overwhelmed by pruning items in the Kurz forest back in the day (and, yes, I know other mods drop there...just stating my observation on the majorities).

I know this does not come close to proof, but I've run 16000+ chests, and have no reason to lie...just sharing my experiences.

Gutemuh · Feb 02, 2011, 10:58 AM // 10:58

Why are there so much celestial shields with +10 vs demons?

Celestial-Items are heavily farmed.
Just watch the droppool while you are at it. In the celestial-pool there are no armour pieces (like f.ex. with the luxon-assasins). So if you farm 100 goldies you sometimes get up to 10 celestial-shields + some normal cantha global-shields.

More options=more hits, just a matter of probability.

It is the same with the other drops (focus etc.). In most farm- and chestrun-areas there are armour pieces in the droppool, which makes +10 vs anything more rare. I once heard that for a "+10 vs anything" to drop, the spiecies needs to be in the area, not sure about that one.

Muh

Volo · Feb 02, 2011, 11:24 AM // 11:24

i have had a ceremonial cauldrom +10vs demon once from melandru hope...merched it beside that...dont think i got any other if not i merched them too

Bright Star Shine · Feb 02, 2011, 11:44 AM // 11:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gutemuh

Why are there so much celestial shields with +10 vs demons?

Celestial-Items are heavily farmed.
Just watch the droppool while you are at it. In the celestial-pool there are no armour pieces (like f.ex. with the luxon-assasins). So if you farm 100 goldies you sometimes get up to 10 celestial-shields + some normal cantha global-shields.

More options=more hits, just a matter of probability.

It is the same with the other drops (focus etc.). In most farm- and chestrun-areas there are armour pieces in the droppool, which makes +10 vs anything more rare. I once heard that for a "+10 vs anything" to drop, the spiecies needs to be in the area, not sure about that one.

Muh

Nop, unless vermin are demons.. And that would mean there would be shittons of Eternal shields with +10vDemons, because, well, UW is kind of swarmed with them..

Also, none of us ever claimed this as being the truth, just reporting findings..

And it is indeed true, and I like it very, very much, that these chests don't drop armors, because that indeed raises the chances of other weapons.

salvatore888 · Feb 02, 2011, 02:05 PM // 14:05

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

UW is kind of swarmed with them..

Uhm , nothing is a demon in UW , really.
Only Phantoms/Nightmares/Abominations/Dryders/Ghosts/Behemoths as species. Oh , and 1 undead , Slayer in mntns quest.

Bright Star Shine · Feb 02, 2011, 02:29 PM // 14:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by salvatore888

Uhm , nothing is a demon in UW , really.
Only Phantoms/Nightmares/Abominations/Dryders/Ghosts/Behemoths as species. Oh , and 1 undead , Slayer in mntns quest.

Oh, really? Kind of unfair that there aren't any +10vNightmare shields then or +10vAbominations etc..

Also, Skele's count as undead, they just deal armor ignoring stuff^^ But they are effected by the +20%vUndead weapons

gw_poster · Feb 02, 2011, 05:24 PM // 17:24

just for sh*ts and giggles, I ran about 20 times through Xanquai (sp?) Skyway last night to test (an infintesimally small sample) this...of course I didnt' get one, but what I did notice was that for the first 5 runs a chest always appeared in sight as soon as I got to the first ramp (the chest is near the stairs in the corner), and a second chest past the bridge in the tight alleyway, then one more near the brotherhood across the other way (where they pretty much work me over pretty quickly, lol)...point is, the more runs I did the less times more than one chest would spawn, and it got to the point that by the last (20th) run, the only chest to spawn would be in a really crappy spot in the corner where you have to run over the bridge and around the tight alley and into a huge mob to get to it (including razortongue), easy enough to survive, just more time consuming for a 1 chest run

just horrible luck with spawns, or is there some kind of anti-chest running code in the more commonly ran areas?

Reformed · Feb 02, 2011, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by gw_poster

just horrible luck with spawns, or is there some kind of anti-chest running code in the more commonly ran areas?

Chest location is randomly spawned when you enter the zone just like the contents. There are at least 3 spawn locations on the Senji side, 3 inside the Razortongue patrol loop and another 2 on the opposite end towards Wajjun. It's possible to have 3 chests in the span between Senji's and Wajjun or none at all.

LordScro · Feb 02, 2011, 07:05 PM // 19:05

had a +10vs demons offhand drop from a chest in Morostav Trail today