Curse

Jestah · Jun 16, 2006, 03:26 PM // 15:26

Eviscerate, Executioner's, Furious = 120 + Deep Wound
Sever, Gash, Final = 84 + Deep Wound (assuming you get 50% bonus)

40 less damage is bad enough plus the fact that when you're in a team of 4 there's no chance you can spike with Final Thrust, you just won't be able to get the target to 50% in a timeframe that you could actually consider a spike.

Aisius · Jun 17, 2006, 08:52 AM // 08:52

For me, I prefer axe for most pve.

Damage is really not my main reason, skill choices is.

I only have the factions game atm, but axe allows me to have triple chop or cleave which add some damage and give me that initial aggro I need to tank.

Swords are usuefull too and I have another set of sentinels gear I use for swords but compare the two : triple chop and hundred blades and axe is a better choice for me to tank pve melee stuff.

waiver · Jun 17, 2006, 05:48 PM // 17:48

For most farming: Axe > Sword

IMO cyclone axe is the ultimate farming skill. Take 6 monsters:

Axe hits from 6-28 plus mastery and strength. cyclone adds 22 (at my current mastery). That makes about 60 dmg to anything by me.

Sword hits 8-22 plus strength and mastery. I can make ONE bleed for 5 seconds. That's about it.

60 dmg to all monsters by me > Making ONE bleed for 5 seconds.

fb2000 · Jun 17, 2006, 05:55 PM // 17:55

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Originally Posted by wankey

I'm judging whether to go axe or sword.

do both. ull get what is more effective in which situation

i run all 3 weapons on the Lady, they all are fun enough

Legendary Shiz · Jun 17, 2006, 06:11 PM // 18:11

To me, it all depends on what you want to do. The only reason I'm an axe war over a sword warrior, is because I have cleave capped, and because I DON'T have hundred blades caped. And unless I can cap that, there really isn't any point in switching over. But, IMO a sword tank build is much, MUCH better than an axe tank build. Riptose and deadly riptose are very nice skills to have as a tank.

Jestah · Jun 17, 2006, 10:03 PM // 22:03

Waiver there's more to the game than farming and even so you're dead wrong. The 2 Riposte skills and Hundred Blades are just as good if not better than cyclone for that purpose. Just because every whammo around uses sever doesn't mean it's the only sword skill there is.

jummeth · Jun 18, 2006, 01:25 AM // 01:25

The Grenith's Footprint soloer is a sword build. Repostes are very powerful.

I still cannot replace Eviserate for my axe elite, its just too good.

Racthoh · Jun 18, 2006, 10:48 AM // 10:48

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Even with swords having a faster attack spped

Sword and axe have the same attack rate.

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Eviscerate, Executioner's, Furious = 120 + Deep Wound
Sever, Gash, Final = 84 + Deep Wound (assuming you get 50% bonus)

Gash = +21 damage at 16 sword, Final Thrust is +43 (86 under 50%) for 107 damage spike. You could factor in the bleeding damage over time during the adrenaline gaining process for FT but that'll just get cleaned up by Heal Parties, removed from Extinguish, etc... In a 4v4 setting, you'd be foolish to leave the bleeding on there; it's just begging to be hit by the Gash + Final.

Swords can't spike, that's probably why they have Dragon Slash to just pump out the pressure with adrenaline skills. Quivering Blade is also fun, a more reliable way to bring a target under 50% than bleeding and pressure from your normal swings. The problem is a warrior who can't inflict a deep wound isn't really much of a warrior (in a pvp setting, in PvE who cares?), and if you're carrying a sword Sever/Gash has to appear on your bar.

jummeth · Jun 18, 2006, 11:36 AM // 11:36

Sever, Gash, Final is pretty much death if the opponent is about 60% hp.

You have to factor in the crits and actual sword damage aswell.

thesecondrei · Jun 18, 2006, 05:02 PM // 17:02

I don't know why people say sword is better than axe for pve...imo cyclone axe +triple chop is an amazing combo for pve.

eternal pho · Jun 18, 2006, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by Helll is for Heroes

axe does more damage, eviscerate is also a much better elite than any sword elite imo.

Whata bout quivering blade? (+40damage/ 4adren,)

sever+gash+quivering ftw

General Typhus · Jun 18, 2006, 10:34 PM // 22:34

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Originally Posted by eternal pho

Whata bout quivering blade? (+40damage/ 4adren,)

sever+gash+quivering ftw

Guardian, Aegis, Whirling, SoD, etc. GG.

jummeth · Jun 18, 2006, 11:30 PM // 23:30

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Originally Posted by General Typhus

Guardian, Aegis, Whirling, SoD, etc. GG.

In that sense... Warriors are useless? Hardly.

Sure a shorter spike means the ninja guardian is more difficult to cast but jeez.

You can go...

Migraine, Arc Conundrum, Backfire, Diversion, Surge, Burn, Weariness, E-lord, Blackout, GG... but whats the point in that?

Jestah · Jul 16, 2006, 08:27 AM // 08:27

He's talking about the fact you get an 8 second daze and disabled if Quivering misses. Maybe ok for spiking but it sucks vs. the current GvG meta.

Btw sword still sucks, big time. The day I get spiked by sword is the day I rage quit the game.

wilebill · Jul 16, 2006, 10:33 AM // 10:33

I use both sword and axe. In PvE, Triple Chop Axe Elite followed by Cyclone Axe does amazingly good damage. I think swords are better against single opponents who bleed.

Aisius · Jul 17, 2006, 05:09 AM // 05:09

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Originally Posted by Don Zardeone

Who cares about base DPS?
The real damage comes from skills anyway

right?

Look at the skills and pick what you like best.

QFT!

Skills is why I run with axe and it all comes down to-

Distracting Blow v's Distracting chop

Look at the skills and whether your running high strength-mastery-tactics.

ogami_ito · Jul 17, 2006, 10:13 AM // 10:13

I have tactics at 15. Deadly ripost owns sins and other warriors. I would like to get eviserate, but it takes a while to get over to cap it and many don't own prophesies. I would like to know what is the PvP option for factions-only toons.

BTW, how come people don't talk about Thrill of Victory? with 15 in Tactics, it does +40. and then you get +70something for deadly riposte, plus a powerfull healing sig.

zeno · Jul 17, 2006, 01:02 PM // 13:02

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Originally Posted by thesecondrei

I don't know why people say sword is better than axe for pve...imo cyclone axe +triple chop is an amazing combo for pve.

because For Great Justice + Dragon Slash + Sun Moon Slash is very, very hax in pve

Munanko Roha · Jul 17, 2006, 02:44 PM // 14:44

Typhus, isn't Guardian/evading stances nastier against an 8 adren elite than against a 4 adren one?

I prefer an axe/hammer spike to a sword spike, but the weakness given by evading is the same for all of them, you can't count it as a factor when choosing your weapon.

@Ogami: ripostes are not going to work in pvp, at least not against any half-competent enemy.

ogami_ito · Jul 17, 2006, 04:34 PM // 16:34

Well. I play Fort Aspenwood for PvP...mainly becaue there is a reward I can turn into money and because its fun. Maybe most people there are not very good. But I have found that this one skill (Deadly Riposte) keeps me save from sins (who are silly enough to attack a hard shield warrior) and other warriors. So yeah, I guess they are not very good.

Anyway, back to the question...what do Faction warriors do for spike? Sever artery>Gash> Final thrust? It would seem that this is the only spike option for faction warriors who also want to use a shield.