Curse

Artemis Bladewing · Aug 18, 2005, 12:11 AM // 00:11

One thing everyone has to know.

I HATE WARRIORS, AND I ALWAYS TRY TO NOT PLAY IT (yes, I am very ignorant about this but warriors are stupid)

But I understand that many ppl take warriors because of its easyness to play.

But you have to learn that as elementalist and Monk have to regain Energy, the Warrior has to keep fighting to keep his Adrenaline up. So try to find something in between.

And since when do you need to bring 3 heal spells in PvP if you dont get attacked or dont even have enough energy to cast more than to heal spells in a row

Howling Wind · Aug 18, 2005, 12:14 AM // 00:14

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Originally Posted by zehly

God forbid I run out of energy and can't cast endure pain

You do know I was referring to the monk and eles to rest for energy...that's one of the reasons lot of warriors get hated because they don't let those energy have people regen.

Ranger Li · Aug 18, 2005, 12:17 AM // 00:17

The only reason i dislike warriors because the large majority of warriors that exist are usually annoying idiots that run cookie-cutter builds(Kd/As) or they tank u and once the going gets tough they run with their tall between their legs or blame it on the monk(One of my favorite chars to build), the warriors is standardly the starter character based on its un-neccessary need of strategy, of course high warriors use strategy but most lower/new warriors use the basic smash and heal signet builds which tend to annoy me because they lack skill in every way and end up running and screaming when I smite them and yell "Omg you fhag stick to healing" when they got beaten fair and square

Age · Aug 18, 2005, 01:01 AM // 01:01

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Originally Posted by thekolman

nOOB X wouldn't have any skills to start off with in PVP if this is Xs 1st charactor.They are still locked.

This doesn't bother nOOB X as much as you think, as he will see the Paladin Premade class and jump all over that.

Unfortunatley we can't really do much to help out guys who think that tanks are godly all around, they have to figure that out for themselves. They don't read these forums and will probably join a spam guild with 30 other members who think like they do. As for most players brand new to PVP, only through losing over and over will they see that "Hey, I don't appear to be getting attacked until after my other three group members are dead. I don't really need my healing breeze. Maybe if I take out my healing spells and add in this attack skill, I can maybe benefit my team more and win a match!"

What do you mean by spam Guilds those go around saying join guild Y we have cool capes.forums and working on or have guild hall?Yeah they annoy me as well.I wonder what it would like if warrior weren't around in either PVE or PVP.I like my Warriors both PVE and PVP.

Morganas · Aug 18, 2005, 01:20 AM // 01:20

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Originally Posted by Artemis Bladewing

One thing everyone has to know.
But you have to learn that as elementalist and Monk have to regain Energy, the Warrior has to keep fighting to keep his Adrenaline up. So try to find something in between.

There is no in between, energy comes much more slowly than adrenaline, and adrenaline disappears so fast that if you manage to get to the next battle in time, you won't have had time to get energy back. Warriors should be starting every battle at 0 adrenaline, and casters should start at full energy.

LifeInfusion · Aug 18, 2005, 01:25 AM // 01:25

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Originally Posted by zehly

I chose Warrior/Ranger so that I could setup traps that cause certain conditions, and use skills that will amplify those conditions.

Aww. That's EXACTLY what I do -.-

I tried to make build that's unique and doesn't have the Paladin premade plastered all over it.

Little Thom's Bro · Aug 18, 2005, 01:42 AM // 01:42

Not all warriors are noobs, they just need to know their roles in pvp and pve. Like in pve their role is to tank and hold the aggro, while in pvp their role is to attack and distrupt casters and probably try to get a kill.
While most of the times i see warrior fight another warrior in the early part of the pvp battle. Now that a noob

Doomlord_Slayermann · Aug 18, 2005, 03:58 AM // 03:58

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Originally Posted by Ensign

I refuse to be given a lecture about respect by a guy with a Platemail helm in his avatar.

Peace,
-CxE

And I refuse to be given a lecture about giving a lecture about respect by a guy who signs he posts "Peace". Peace is for n00bs.

White Designs · Aug 18, 2005, 04:08 AM // 04:08

I hope you're joking about the peace bit...or else you're pretty much saying you have a 'see and smash' attitude...which is counterproductive to your original post.

Anyways, I honestly don't see the big deal in warriors being 'disrespected.' In Arena I generally will ignore them, since like many have mentioned there will be lots of idiots running stuff like Mending (of late it seems even more popular than healing breeze). In tombs you *could* get an idiot paladin, but as a team you should be able to screen him to prevent that, (don't be dumb enough to blindly trust stuff like rank.) And in GvG...just...yeah.

They're like any other class out there. Lots of people misplay them. Among decent players they are definitely not underestimated or disrespected, so why care about what people who don't understand them think?

Yukito Kunisaki · Aug 18, 2005, 05:01 AM // 05:01

Just go with the flow, if you're truely a powerful warrior who knows a battle system and how to play, and nobody believes you, hey, whose loss is it? Yours or theirs?

Who said you HAVE to be respected? Best way to earn it in my opinion is in PvE study... Best way to learn how your teammates work is in PvE where chances are many and penalties aren't so severe. People don't care and bash your face about rank and the like. It's all about how well you do.

"And you are the BEST at what you do!!" - Wolverine's fellow bus occupants...
"Thanks, couldn't have said it better myself..." - Wolverine...

I just play what's available to me, feeling that if a team doesn't want me, hey, it's one less benefit for them... ^_^

coldslammer · Aug 18, 2005, 01:14 PM // 13:14

i gotta feel sorry for warriors, they do get such a bad rep from 90% of the warriors who are pretty much clueless, (i just made up that % as that what it seems like)

in random arenas its a very high chance you will get grouped with one, same old tactic, runs in by himself, and within 2 seconds dies, if its a really stupid one, he'll blame group wheres his support.

but heres a classic example of the worst kind of warriors.

the ones where they will goto the random arena and leave the match if hes not grouped with a monk, and will probably do this forever till he gets one, and as someone else pointed out when hes not "healed" he will probably abuse the monk and leave.

attacks like eviscerate are soo deadly in the right hands, but its not likely you'll find a n00b with it, as that person would of have to put some effort into getting it at hells principle, indicating he/she has some type of intelligence.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Aug 18, 2005, 02:34 PM // 14:34

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Originally Posted by White Designs

I hope you're joking about the peace bit...

Yeah. I keep forgetting how poory sarcasm translates online.

Oh, here's another thing that annoys me: idiots that won't stop ranting about how much swords suck and axes rule. Both are equally good weapons if used properly, but again, with all the stupid n00bs on the Paladin build, the sword guys get no respect.

Dreamcatcher X · Aug 18, 2005, 03:09 PM // 15:09

Warriors useless? Hmmm.

I agree that most warriors are not the most experinced due to the lack of skill variety and the ease of skill combo's (slash, gash & final strike anyone!). For example, sit in pre-searing and see how many un-guilded players spawn, starting there first game with a warrior.

But for the few, like me, who have 4 lv 20 characters and know the full spectrum of skills in Guild Wars, Warriors can be immensly powerful.

Ever tried to fight a W/N full gladiator armoured, max runed (sup absorb, sup vigor, sup hammer, sup strength) armed with 4 hammers that swap depending on skill and current conditions. My main hammer is a rather impressive +19% while hexed 5-1 vampiric mursaat Hammer +30hp mod customised. A normal hit for me is around 50-75. Yes, i hear you say, i have fought them and 'owned' them. Well im rofl.

If im alone with any class, there dead. period. Of course any good PvP player will stay in his group. Thats where a good warrior strengths should lie, In the midst of the enemy group, striking randomly at casters, intrupting, calling good targets and genuienly making the biggest noise and nusiance of themselves.

Try to condition me? try to Hex me? With, knockdown, enchament breakers, conditon transfers etc, i think not, you actually make me stronger! I cause so much grief when in the middle of a group that my inclusion in GvG and HoH is almost a must for our guild. Again more than 2 warriors is useless in a group, as with any class except monks.

However, a Warrior who can disrupt, knockdown, cause lots of damage, take damage & CALL is a worthy opponent to any class. Except of course those pesky mesmers! So give them a break, and yes i will fight any challengers in the arenas. You got my name & Bhaal wants your Scalp on his mantle piece

Arri · Aug 18, 2005, 04:22 PM // 16:22

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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher X

Warriors useless? Hmmm.

I agree that most warriors are not the most experinced due to the lack of skill variety and the ease of skill combo's (slash, gash & final strike anyone!). For example, sit in pre-searing and see how many un-guilded players spawn, starting there first game with a warrior.

But for the few, like me, who have 4 lv 20 characters and know the full spectrum of skills in Guild Wars, Warriors can be immensly powerful.

Ever tried to fight a W/N full gladiator armoured, max runed (sup absorb, sup vigor, sup hammer, sup strength) armed with 4 hammers that swap depending on skill and current conditions. My main hammer is a rather impressive +19% while hexed 5-1 vampiric mursaat Hammer +30hp mod customised. A normal hit for me is around 50-75. Yes, i hear you say, i have fought them and 'owned' them. Well im rofl.

If im alone with any class, there dead. period. Of course any good PvP player will stay in his group. Thats where a good warrior strengths should lie, In the midst of the enemy group, striking randomly at casters, intrupting, calling good targets and genuienly making the biggest noise and nusiance of themselves.

Try to condition me? try to Hex me? With, knockdown, enchament breakers, conditon transfers etc, i think not, you actually make me stronger! I cause so much grief when in the middle of a group that my inclusion in GvG and HoH is almost a must for our guild. Again more than 2 warriors is useless in a group, as with any class except monks.

However, a Warrior who can disrupt, knockdown, cause lots of damage, take damage & CALL is a worthy opponent to any class. Except of course those pesky mesmers! So give them a break, and yes i will fight any challengers in the arenas. You got my name & Bhaal wants your Scalp on his mantle piece

Yet not all experianced warriors are hammer knockdown builds, remember that and you will get far

Reiden Argrock · Aug 18, 2005, 04:40 PM // 16:40

If as a warrior you tried multiple skills, some that don't require adrenaline, you would not have to worry about being useless for the first few seconds of a fight, also being part necro, or any other secondary, allows you the possibility to help your team in ways other than being a meat shield or a direct dmg warrior, skills such as Blood Rit, or Well of Power will help the downtime on the heavy casters, and if you use these skills during the fight, you might not have any downtime...

from my experience as being a warrior, I understand that the majority of us are quite retarded and either don't care about the rest of the group, or are just plain dumb. My suggestion is for the warriors, that feel like they are stereotyped, go out and prove them wrong, do something besides complaining. And for those people that just hate warriors because they think that no matter what they do, it will be useless, well, you need to play more.. I've seen w/mo keep team monks alive because who casts energy drain's or backfire on a warrior? and w/n can keep the monks eng up when a primary necro can't be found, w/e can pick up wards so that the ele primarys can focus on doing damage, w/r is great for inflicting conditions, blind, cripple, bleed... w/me, is a great anti caster, with blackout/backfire...

All in all, warriors can be very effective, and can be the difference between life and death for a group. I've experienced this from both ends, being a warrior and from being a healer, warriors have their place, but it is up to us warriors, to find it.

Santanus_Perro · Aug 18, 2005, 04:41 PM // 16:41

My main is a w/mo, and if I am going in to Tombs, or Droknars I don't take one healing or protection skill. That is what the monk is for. I have been playing alot KD w/mo with bane signet for knock down, and bringing a smite buff to get adrenaline and energy faster, then I can go crazy with the hammer attacks to maximize knock downs and damage. Yet, everyone sees W/Mo and immediately dismisses them. It has been frustrating trying to find a decent group to PvP with.

When I play sword, it is gash, galraths slash, savage slash for interrupt, hundred blades, flurry, hamstring, and maybe a stance and shout--strength will always be high for maximum armor penetration

Not saying these builds are perfect, but they are not w/mo cookie cutter builds.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Aug 18, 2005, 04:50 PM // 16:50

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Originally Posted by Santanus_Perro

Not saying these builds are perfect, but they are not w/mo cookie cutter builds.

Actually, I like the knockdown build you mentioned. Use that with Shield of Judgement and you would be able to knockdown anyone and everyone.

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Originally Posted by Reiden Argrock

My suggestion is for the warriors, that feel like they are stereotyped, go out and prove them wrong, do something besides complaining.

Oh I do. Look for me owning n00bs in the Arenas sometime (when I'm bored) or send me an unrated GvG challenge and we'll have some fun. Although, right now I'm rebuilding my Warrior, so it could be a little while...

Syuveil · Aug 18, 2005, 07:16 PM // 19:16

I for one, like the warrior... but not for the aesthetics and stuff, but for flurry and the disciplined/bonetti's... etc skills. Those are nice, I use them on my Me/W and will be using bonneti's on my Mo/W...

I also have a W/Mo, who was fun for like... a day. He's lvl 15 right now, and I'm thinking about just deleting him... :S

(I think Ws are better as a secondary, imho)

White Designs · Aug 18, 2005, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher X

Warriors useless? Hmmm.

I agree that most warriors are not the most experinced due to the lack of skill variety and the ease of skill combo's (slash, gash & final strike anyone!). For example, sit in pre-searing and see how many un-guilded players spawn, starting there first game with a warrior.

But for the few, like me, who have 4 lv 20 characters and know the full spectrum of skills in Guild Wars, Warriors can be immensly powerful.

Ever tried to fight a W/N full gladiator armoured, max runed (sup absorb, sup vigor, sup hammer, sup strength) armed with 4 hammers that swap depending on skill and current conditions. My main hammer is a rather impressive +19% while hexed 5-1 vampiric mursaat Hammer +30hp mod customised. A normal hit for me is around 50-75. Yes, i hear you say, i have fought them and 'owned' them. Well im rofl.

If im alone with any class, there dead. period. Of course any good PvP player will stay in his group. Thats where a good warrior strengths should lie, In the midst of the enemy group, striking randomly at casters, intrupting, calling good targets and genuienly making the biggest noise and nusiance of themselves.

Try to condition me? try to Hex me? With, knockdown, enchament breakers, conditon transfers etc, i think not, you actually make me stronger! I cause so much grief when in the middle of a group that my inclusion in GvG and HoH is almost a must for our guild. Again more than 2 warriors is useless in a group, as with any class except monks.

However, a Warrior who can disrupt, knockdown, cause lots of damage, take damage & CALL is a worthy opponent to any class. Except of course those pesky mesmers! So give them a break, and yes i will fight any challengers in the arenas. You got my name & Bhaal wants your Scalp on his mantle piece

Sure....Superior Strength...Fortitude....I will indeed say I've 'fought and owned warriors just like yours.' I wonder who'd die first if you were alone against a self smiting monk

A lot of the reason the 'average' warrior doesn't get respect is that they think they are overly good, and uncounterable. Sure warriors are great, but they must be used properly and not assumed to be some unstoppable force.

....Ward Against Melee.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Aug 18, 2005, 08:21 PM // 20:21

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Originally Posted by White Designs

A lot of the reason the 'average' warrior doesn't get respect is that they think they are overly good, and uncounterable. Sure warriors are great, but they must be used properly and not assumed to be some unstoppable force.

My thoughts exactly. Just like a good healer Monk can keep people healthy, but not if those people play like retards (Everyone stick together for the Chain Lightning!) or a good Mesmer can screw over casters assuming they have a bit of protection from the rest of the team.

I've said it once and I'll say it again: There is no best or worst class, just good and bad ways of playing a class.