Curse

XxUberMonkeyxX · Feb 28, 2007, 05:56 AM // 05:56

recently i got tired of having to play as either a stance tank or a wildblow warrior that does nothing but stand in the frontline take the brunt of the damage and get blinded and never get it removed all the while people getting anoyed that im not wildblowing off shiro's stances... anyways! the spear warrior!!

Spear mastery - 12
Tactics - 10
strength - 9

Barbed Spear
Wild Throw
Blazing Spear
Soldier's Stance
"Watch Yourself"
Healing Signet
Signet of Remedy
Sunspear Rebirth Signet(Resurrection Signet)

anyways this build delivers alot of DPS due to the spear being shot at 33% faster than normal and the fact that blazing spear causes burning for 3 seconds, and wildthrow is there for those pesky stances such as Whirling Defence and Flashing Blades or whatever stances the oponent is using

sometimes when i feel like being versatile, i would drop strength all together and spread my attributes between swordsmanship and spear mastery. its pretty fun going from midline to frontline w.o switching your builds i know its pointless but its just cool to make people wonder how you can use a spear and a sword but still do decent damage with both

anyways for the sword/spear warrior i just trade out endure pain with pure strike

Katari · Feb 28, 2007, 06:13 AM // 06:13

You can look at your damage compared to a caster wanding, or you can look at it compared to a paragon. As it is, you really don't have anything there that will out-damage a primary paragon. The concept is on par with those warriors using Warrior's Endurance to power dagger or scythe attacks.

Edit: To clarify, you say you do "lots of damage" well, lots of damage compared to what? You might actually do more than a caster wanding, but that really doesn't matter, because wanding damage isn't fantastic. If you managed to warp game mechanics in a way that let you dish out more damage than a primary para, then you'd turn some heads, but you're not. As far as versitility goes, nothing is stoping a primary para from specing into tactics for "WY!"

XxUberMonkeyxX · Feb 28, 2007, 06:23 AM // 06:23

well, i was actually comparing the dmg done here to dmg taht a ranger can do with lets say tigers fury? whats teh specs on spear 14-27? if im not correct... a bow is around the same right?? which fires faster? i think spear does if im not mistaken, since the nurf tigers only gives you a 25% faster attack speed where as Soldier's stance gives you a 33% faster attack speed not to mention that the spear travels much faster than a bow, asuming the ranger is using a flatbow or longbow since its pve

and a warrior would have more armor, now ive never played paragon before so i dont know their dmg output but its pretty fun having a warrior throwing spears

thanks for the input tho, i just like the idea of being able to go switch from ranged to frontline brute.

oh 1 thing i forgot strength provides armor penetration, its only a little bit of AP bonus but its there along with the "piercing" on the spear itself

and about the warriors endurance thing never heard of that b4 gotta try it out now : )

jesh · Feb 28, 2007, 07:37 AM // 07:37

Ranger damage is significantly higher and projectile speed is faster.
You can dodge spears by walking, with arrows you won't be so lucky.

Thom Bangalter · Feb 28, 2007, 08:20 AM // 08:20

when did warriors get expertise?

GourangaPizza · Feb 28, 2007, 10:14 AM // 10:14

Honestly, it sucked. Conditions should never be used as a main but a supplementary way of killing things imo except for a few cases. But in your case, inflicting two conditions just isn't enough to kill something. There's a duration of time when Burning Spear has to charged up to reapply its condition on target, even with the IAS on. Most of the time the condition on your target is bleeding. And putting soldier stance is a waste of an elite slot when there's better alternatives like Flail.

But seriously, I would wish thar you to try out your build 1st. This way you would understand.

Evilsod · Feb 28, 2007, 11:53 AM // 11:53

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Originally Posted by XxUberMonkeyxX

well, i was actually comparing the dmg done here to dmg taht a ranger can do with lets say tigers fury? whats teh specs on spear 14-27? if im not correct... a bow is around the same right?? which fires faster? i think spear does if im not mistaken, since the nurf tigers only gives you a 25% faster attack speed where as Soldier's stance gives you a 33% faster attack speed not to mention that the spear travels much faster than a bow, asuming the ranger is using a flatbow or longbow since its pve

Your comparing it to a Rangers damage w/ Tigers? No wonder it looks so bad. You have bleeding and a burning, both adren based that get hindered by Watch Yourself spamming. And not a single interrupt. Even if a primary ranger can't outdamage this vs a single foe, it sure as hell has more use... A warrior has extremely high armour so it can take damage, not so it can cower at the back with the casters.

If you don't want to take the brunt of the damage... play another character.

clawofcrimson · Feb 28, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46

if you want spear dps try this:

p/r
16 spear
12 beast

[card]tiger's fury[/card] [card]poisonous bite[/card] [card]barbed spear[/card] [card]blazing spear[/card] [card]merciless spear[/card] [card]heal as one[/card] [card]charm animal[/card] [card]resurrection signet[/card]

using a warrior for any weapon besides axe/sword/hammer is definitely not the most effective way to get more dps

jesh · Mar 01, 2007, 03:13 AM // 03:13

Why would you use a healing elite in PvE? If you're throwing spears you shouldn't even have monsters attacking you.
Off topic.. can someone post a link to that cool bow W/R build posted a while back? I'd like to try it, but I totally forgot what the skills were.

Cathode_Reborn · Mar 01, 2007, 04:40 AM // 04:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by jesh

Why would you use a healing elite in PvE? If you're throwing spears you shouldn't even have monsters attacking you.
Off topic.. can someone post a link to that cool bow W/R build posted a while back? I'd like to try it, but I totally forgot what the skills were.

The main skills were Flourish + Focused shot. Focused shot disables your attack skills, while Flourish recharges charges them. If you have a few attack skills in your skillbar, you'll get back tons of energy with a high rank in strength. I think besides those 2 skills, it's all optional. It just didn't work very well though.

Another bow build used Primal Rage with Disrupting Accuracy.....also a bad one.

XxUberMonkeyxX · Mar 01, 2007, 07:03 AM // 07:03

hmm lol ur right! when i tried this build i was in hero battles using 2 other warriors with almost the same build with wit and they all used soliders stance to get teh 33% and the reason why i switched to a spear is cuz i just like the looks of it and whenever i would go to places such as cantha and tyria i would usually be one of the few that has heros so they ask me to bring monk heros and being a warrior its bad to have monk heros cuz they stick close to you and i dont feel like flagging them every 10 seconds when we hit an aggro

clawofcrimson · Mar 02, 2007, 08:37 PM // 20:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by jesh

Why would you use a healing elite in PvE? If you're throwing spears you shouldn't even have monsters attacking you.
Off topic.. can someone post a link to that cool bow W/R build posted a while back? I'd like to try it, but I totally forgot what the skills were.

well if you want to further discuss my build then we can do so in the paragon threads... but the reason is to keep all attribute points in spear and beast mastery... and still have all the necessary skills to make the build work....(for pvp and pve)

My-way Ftw · Mar 02, 2007, 09:44 PM // 21:44

Never really tried W/P or P/W, might have a look at wiki, see if i can come up with anything for W/P. I wouldnt use a spear though, i would invest in swordsmanship, and chuck in some paragon buffs e.g. GfTe and Mending Refrain.

Barrett · Mar 03, 2007, 11:14 PM // 23:14

how can u have warrior version of pack hunter when a pack hunter is a pet user
it wud have to be W/R then it cant use spear
u cant make an alternate Pack hunter with diff profs cuse needs both
Beastmaster is different as thats basicly just Full on pet so that way u can make a w/r out of it as its second prof can be differ

[DE] · Mar 03, 2007, 11:37 PM // 23:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by XxUberMonkeyxX

the reason why i switched to a spear is cuz i just like the looks of it and whenever i would go to places such as cantha and tyria i would usually be one of the few that has heros so they ask me to bring monk heros and being a warrior its bad to have monk heros cuz they stick close to you and i dont feel like flagging them every 10 seconds when we hit an aggro

First off, never choose a weapon type based on it's looks. Secondly, simply setting your hero casters to Guard or Avoid Combat will stop them from standing next to you all the time.

Game Basics = ftw