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cheddarbox · Aug 20, 2007, 03:35 AM // 03:35

So, I'm new to the game. I leveled a few classes and now I'm really interested in leveling a warrior.

However, after talking to a few friends and some guild members, I've been told that warriors are really not all that useful since the dervish appeared. I've heard that dervishes tank just as good if not better then warriors, yet deal a lot more damage, and aoe damage at that. One person went as far as to say warriors are near useless now.

I'm sure they're not useless, but are warriors really that bad?

Again, like to point out that I'm very new to this game, so I am a noob and I'm ok with that. Thanks.

Shendaar · Aug 20, 2007, 03:45 AM // 03:45

If you know how the play one warriors are hard to beat in term of damage.

Guillaume De Sonoma · Aug 20, 2007, 04:00 AM // 04:00

Warriors are far from useless. People saying so have very little understanding of game mechanics.

Tyla · Aug 20, 2007, 04:02 AM // 04:02

all professions have a decent role,if you know how to play them or you spend alot of time on it youll find them useful

moriz · Aug 20, 2007, 04:14 AM // 04:14

dervishes, like assassins, have set potentials. that means, their combat effectiveness are COMPLETELY decided by their builds. a bad player will perform in more or less the same effectiveness as the best player in the game if they play a dervish or assassin, simply because what they can accomplish was decided ahead of time for them by the build they're running.

warriors, like the other well-balanced professions, have flexible potentials. that means their combat effectiveness is determined by the player, not the build. a bad player playing a good warrior build will ALWAYS be less powerful than a skilled player playing a bad warrior build, simply because the bad player won't be able to bring out the maximum potential of the build, while the skilled player can not only bring out the maximum potential, but sometimes exceeding it to do something truly remarkable.

basically, your friends are bad at the game if they cannot see that warriors are potentially better than any dervish.

samcobra · Aug 20, 2007, 04:24 AM // 04:24

Warriors are so much better than dervishes. For one, they have higher armor, which means they can tank much more shit while still dishing damage. Also, in PvE they provide very helpful party help with things like watch yourself and sheilds up.

In PvP, warriors just rape face. Dervishes are so damn slow imo. I hate it.

Arkantos · Aug 20, 2007, 04:45 AM // 04:45

Warriors are far from useless. I'd take a warrior over a dervish any day.

Dr Strangelove · Aug 20, 2007, 05:40 AM // 05:40

To be fair, there are a lot more shitty warriors than dervishes. Just look through most of the builds here, and sort out all those with no IAS, no deep wound, or piles of worthless tanking crap.

Good warriors can tear the face off anything while having a pile of armor to boot.

arsie · Aug 20, 2007, 05:56 AM // 05:56

I realised something when I took my Curse N/Me into Nightfall.

With most combat professions, I used combat lockdown skills against them. Weakness, Spiteful Spirit/Empathy, x of Failure, etc.

With most caster professions, I use caster lockdown skills. A whole host of Mesmer and a few Necro skills are available for that

But for Dervish, I can use either. Which makes them vulnerable to any lockdown builds from Rangers, Mesmers and Curse Necros.

There are precious few adrenalin-denial and counters to Shout skills out there. And those skills are too specific and might be a waste of a slot sometimes.

Simply put, it is easier to lockdown a Dervish than a Warrior.

cellardweller · Aug 20, 2007, 07:25 AM // 07:25

PVE-wise, speed is something that warriors have over dervishes. A warrior can run in and tank hard mode bogeys with nothing more than watch yourself.... and even that is optional. here is a very simple example of why warriors have their place. The first two groups are dead before a dervish would have finished putting on their enchants and the party goes straight from one fight to the next without ever having to stop to renew them.

Stormlord Alex · Aug 20, 2007, 07:35 AM // 07:35

OP: Press 'B'
Watch a few top GvG battles.
Then come back and tell us warriors are not useful.

... Warriors pwn face. It's what they were made to do.

RotteN · Aug 20, 2007, 09:01 AM // 09:01

people that say dervishes are better than warriors are clueless.

Dervishes have their uses, they can lash out quite some damage in a short time (for example with wearying + eremite's) and sure you can go all crazy with enchantments and tank stuff (you can also do that with an elementalist, or with a monk).

A warrior however, can more or less soak up quite some damage without having to waste half his skillbar on it, easely has the nicest DPS in the game, and is hands down more fun to play (and in PvP more versatile aswell).

long story short : just make a warrior and decide for yourself

kobey · Aug 20, 2007, 03:32 PM // 15:32

Warriors have all the nice weapons and shields... they are not useless

But seriously, no, warriors are fun and far from useless.

Div · Aug 20, 2007, 08:12 PM // 20:12

Warriors are pro tanks.

Just take riposte and healing hands and dolyak signet and watch enemies heal you as they hit!

Age · Aug 20, 2007, 10:50 PM // 22:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

OP: Press 'B'
Watch a few top GvG battles.
Then come back and tell us warriors are not useful.

... Warriors pwn face. It's what they were made to do.

I was going to suggest this and don't forget what a good hammer Warrior can do.

blue.rellik · Aug 21, 2007, 02:48 AM // 02:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by holymasamune

Warriors are pro tanks.

Just take riposte and healing hands and dolyak signet and watch enemies heal you as they hit!

No mending?

blue.rellik · Aug 21, 2007, 02:50 AM // 02:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by holymasamune

Warriors are pro tanks.

Just take riposte and healing hands and dolyak signet and watch enemies heal you as they hit!

No mending?

auch · Aug 21, 2007, 12:54 PM // 12:54

warriors are the most used proffession in game after monk..

iridescentfyre · Aug 21, 2007, 01:33 PM // 13:33

Once the enchantment removal starts flying, Dervishes, with their glorious 70 AL, tank about as well as the common suicidal Assassin. That enchantment stacking bullshit will work in the beginning of the game and a few select places mid-game, but high-level PvE and most PvP will treat a Dervish badly.

Scythes do damage well compared to other martial weapons, but have precisely the same counters as Warriors: Blindness, hexes, high armor, etc.

SotiCoto · Aug 21, 2007, 02:03 PM // 14:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by moriz

dervishes, like assassins, have set potentials. that means, their combat effectiveness are COMPLETELY decided by their builds. a bad player will perform in more or less the same effectiveness as the best player in the game if they play a dervish or assassin, simply because what they can accomplish was decided ahead of time for them by the build they're running.

Not that I really belong here.... since for the most part I'm one of the anti-warrior crowd..... but you are exaggerating well beyond what is reasonable here, and you know it.

Just face it... Warriors are far easier to pick up and play effectively than Assassins or Dervishes... A n00b warrior will almost invariably beat a n00b assassin, and is quite likely to beat a n00b dervish too... simply because spamming skills can work for the warrior but will not work for the other two.

I'm sure what you're trying to express (albeit inefficiently) is that Assassins and Dervishes tend to have a specific order to their attack sequence which generally needs to be adhered to for maximum effectiveness.... whereas Warriors generally don't... allowing for a bit more potential for variety.

Mastery of any of these classes however is not only about knowing which skills to hit in which order or in response to which actions by the enemy.... but in knowing the timing and reacting to all that happens around you. One can just as easily be given a warrior build and not know how to use it right as an assassin build. The warrior might be more forgiving of mess-ups..... but in the end, a Master Warrior against a Master Assassin... assuming each is anticipating the other... is entirely likely to come up stalemate. I can't really speak for the Dervish since they're primarily designed for AoE... but I'd imagine it isn't all that different.